I was going to buy the Trident X 2400mhz, BUT

Huang Ray · May 15, 2014

I saw this
http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-2400MHz-PC3-19200-KHX24C11T3K2-16X/dp/B00A771ZJG/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1400208621&sr=8-4&keywords=2400+mhz+ram
I do not care about the brand, but it is cheaper!
What should I buy now?
I want 2400 mhz tho

Huang Ray · May 15, 2014

link for trident
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0080FFZ8E/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AVCN3MVCVULPH

Pondering · May 15, 2014

the kingston beast is good too

coolcole01 · May 15, 2014

at that price its not worth it i got mine for 125 and i thought that was to much if your only gaming get 8 gbs of 2133 or 1866 and you will be great unless you have a apu then the faster the ram the better

Huang Ray · May 16, 2014

Pondering :

So, I should forget TRident x and buy kingston beast?

Huang Ray · May 16, 2014

coolcole01 :

hmm... I have cpu (apu?) i7 4770k. I want 2400 mhz because it is faster (I have 2000 budge). Also, I think I will use at least 10gb of ram, so 16 is worth it.
So, is Kingston beast ok?
Should I forget the trident x and buy kingston beast?

Adroid · May 16, 2014

Man RAM is a really tough subject. Take a look at this:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7364/memory-scaling-on-haswell/7

Now, keep in mind that Intel recommends you do not use a RAM that requires over 1.5V due to Ivy Bridge and Haswell's delicate memory controller. There are many enthusiasts that say it doesn't matter. I personally will not use over 1.5V on my Ivy bridge system.

My conclusion from googling numerous articles = it doesn't make that much of a difference. Get a minimum 1600mhz DDR3, 1866 or 2133 the lower CAS the better, depending on how much you want to spend, but DO NOT go over 1.5V. Thats just my personal opinion. Brand is not as important, as long as you buy a reliable brand such as Corsair, G.skill, Crucial, etc. Don't buy a no-name brand and you should be fine.

Alternatively, wait till later this year when DDR4 boards come out

Edit : In every case, if you are using 1600Mhz or better, for gaming performance your money is best spent on more GPU/CPU power. Get a decent minimum 8GB 1600mhz DDR3, and dump that extra 80-100$ into something that matters. i5 "K" series processor and the best GPU you can find will significantly yield better results than "faster" RAM.

coolcole01 · May 16, 2014

an apu is a cpumixed with a gpu like the a10-7850 which uses the ram as its vram. Yes kingston makes great stuff. Are you using a discrete gpu if so you really dont need more than 1600

Huang Ray · May 16, 2014

Adroid :

Man RAM is a really tough subject. Take a look at this:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7364/memory-scaling-on-haswell/7

Now, keep in mind that Intel recommends you do not use a RAM that requires over 1.5V due to Ivy Bridge and Haswell's delicate memory controller. There are many enthusiasts that say it doesn't matter. I personally will not use over 1.5V on my Ivy bridge system.

My conclusion from googling numerous articles = it doesn't make that much of a difference. Get a minimum 1600mhz DDR3, 1866 or 2133 the lower CAS the better, depending on how much you want to spend, but DO NOT go over 1.5V. Thats just my personal opinion. Brand is not as important, as long as you buy a reliable brand such as Corsair, G.skill, Crucial, etc. Don't buy a no-name brand and you should be fine.

Alternatively, wait till later this year when DDR4 boards come out

Edit : In every case, if you are using 1600Mhz or better, for gaming performance your money is best spent on more GPU/CPU power. Get a decent minimum 8GB 1600mhz DDR3, and dump that extra 80-100$ into something that matters. i5 "K" series processor and the best GPU you can find will significantly yield better results than "faster" RAM.

So....
I have i7 4770k (my budge is 2000)...
So, 2400mhz is unnecessary?

Huang Ray · May 16, 2014

coolcole01 :

I have i7 4770k cpu (2000 budge)
So, I should buy the kingston beast (10 dollars cheaper), not g skill trident x?

Dark Lord of Tech · May 16, 2014

Go with the Trident X Gskill is the better brand.

Pondering · May 16, 2014

Something like this: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls4k8g3d1609es2lx0 It will make putting in the CPU heat sink easier

Don't get memory higher than 1.5v for the i7

Karadjgne · May 16, 2014

Pretty much anything over 2133 starts to show diminishing performance per $, so if you really want the best bang for your $, look into 1600 (CL 7), 1866 (CL 8) or 2133 (CL 9).

Dark Lord of Tech · May 16, 2014

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $159.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-16 19:46 EDT-0400)

Huang Ray · May 16, 2014

Karadjgne :

can you give me links from amazon for 1600 (cl), 1866 and 2133?
WhICH BRANDS?

Huang Ray · May 16, 2014

Is it better than 2400mhz kingston beast, because they have the same price

Karadjgne · May 17, 2014

Huang Ray :

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Dominator GT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($169.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($174.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($139.99 @ Amazon)

People equate higher frequency for faster RAM. This is not the case. What makes for faster RAM is the relationship of the frequency with the CAS timings. DDR2/3 ram uses 2x clock speed for reported f. CL is the wait time between when the cpu gives an order and the ram carries it out per clock cycle.
T = 1 / f * CL
T = 1 / 800 * 9 = 11.25 nanoseconds for 1600 CL9
T = 1 / 800 * 7 = 8.75 nanoseconds for 1600 CL7
T = 1 / 933 * 10 = 10.72 nanoseconds for 1866 CL10
T = 1 / 933 * 8 = 8.57 nanoseconds for 1866 CL8
T = 1 / 1066 * 11 = 10.32 nanoseconds for 2133 CL11
T = 1 / 1066 * 9 = 8.44 nanoseconds for 2133 CL9

So, as you can see from the above, there is 1600MHz ram (CL7) that is considerably faster than 2133MHz (CL11), however 2133MHz (CL9) is considerably faster than 1600MHz (CL9). Also notice that the differences in the fastest sets of ram get smaller with higher frequencies, 8.75 - 8.57 - 8.44 etc, so anything after 2133 you pay a lot more for less performance gain over the next frequency down.

These are the links. Not sure if Amazon carries every set, but these are the cheapest prices per kit. If Amazon is not the link then guaranteed you will pay more if they stock it.

At most, everyday gamers, internet users, pretty much most computer users on the planet, will only use 4-6Gb no matter what program they run. Only Specific programs used by 3D design, rendering on a frequent basis etc have any use for 16-64Gb. You can pay for it if you wish too, but unless you are one of those specific ppl, your pc will never use it, so you wasted money.

Dark Lord of Tech · May 17, 2014

I prefer and only use Gskill ram.

Huang Ray · May 17, 2014

Karadjgne :

Huang Ray :

Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Dominator GT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($169.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($174.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($139.99 @ Amazon)

People equate higher frequency for faster RAM. This is not the case. What makes for faster RAM is the relationship of the frequency with the CAS timings. DDR2/3 ram uses 2x clock speed for reported f. CL is the wait time between when the cpu gives an order and the ram carries it out per clock cycle.
T = 1 / f * CL
T = 1 / 800 * 9 = 11.25 nanoseconds for 1600 CL9
T = 1 / 800 * 7 = 8.75 nanoseconds for 1600 CL7
T = 1 / 933 * 10 = 10.72 nanoseconds for 1866 CL10
T = 1 / 933 * 8 = 8.57 nanoseconds for 1866 CL8
T = 1 / 1066 * 11 = 10.32 nanoseconds for 2133 CL11
T = 1 / 1066 * 9 = 8.44 nanoseconds for 2133 CL9

So, as you can see from the above, there is 1600MHz ram (CL7) that is considerably faster than 2133MHz (CL11), however 2133MHz (CL9) is considerably faster than 1600MHz (CL9). Also notice that the differences in the fastest sets of ram get smaller with higher frequencies, 8.75 - 8.57 - 8.44 etc, so anything after 2133 you pay a lot more for less performance gain over the next frequency down.

These are the links. Not sure if Amazon carries every set, but these are the cheapest prices per kit. If Amazon is not the link then guaranteed you will pay more if they stock it.

Ok, I will buy 1866 mhz then, but kingston beast or corsair or other brands?

Huang Ray · May 17, 2014

I decided to use 1866 mhz ram now.
Which g skill 1866 ram is the best and give me the link from amazon please xD

Dark Lord of Tech · May 17, 2014

I used these in 2 of my builds.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($93.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $93.99
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-17 01:18 EDT-0400)

Karadjgne · May 17, 2014

Memory: G.Skill RipJaws X Series (2 x 4GB) DDR-3 1866 CL8 Memory

Huang Ray · May 17, 2014

I want 16gb guys

Karadjgne · May 17, 2014

Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $159.99

CL9 RAM, larger kit, but not quite as fast as the CL8 kit

Huang Ray · May 17, 2014

Karadjgne :

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CEC3YH8/ref=gno_cart_title_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
vs
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Series-Desktop-CMY16GX3M2A1866C9/dp/B00D2LGRO2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400306046&sr=8-1&keywords=corsair+pro+ram
I dont care about brands.
One is 10 dollars cheaper, and same performance?

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