Correct 4GB ram for Gigabyte GA-G41-combo Motherboard??

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Hi,

I'm attempting to upgrade the ram for my Gigabyte GA-G41-combo rev 2.0, (bios FB) motherboard, from 4GB (2x2gb) to 8GB (2x4gb), but I'm having trouble finding the correct ram module for it.

I just received through the post 8GB (2x4gb) of Corsair xms3 1333 mhz ram, but it doesn't work. After installing it at startup just beeps a load of times and then nothing.

I've been looking into this all day, and i think the reason why is because the Gigabyte GA-G41-combo motherboard, only supports 256MB configuration but the corsair ram is 512MB config as is most new ram now.

' The chipset can only address low density 256MB RAM chips -buying ‘off the shelf’ 1333MHz DDR3 will result in failure to post (as the newer RAM sticks have single-sided high density 512MB RAM chips on the sticks). 8GB no problems there, so long as it is low-density double sided.'

So I'm hoping someone here could find me the correct ones for this motherboard.

It needs to be 4GB DDR3 1333mhz 240pin but also 256M and NOT 512M ram as these will not work with the Intel G41 Chipset.

Operating System
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1

CPU
Intel Pentium E5500 @ 2.80GHz
Wolfdale 45nm Technology

Current Installed RAM
4.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 399MHz (6-6-6-15)
Size 2048 MBytes
Manufacturer Hyundai Electronics
Max Bandwidth PC3-10700 (667 MHz)
Part Number HMT125U6TFR8C-H9
Week/year 42 / 10

Motherboard
Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. G41M-Combo (Socket 775)

Thanks in advance
Lee :)
 

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That board has 2 pairs of DIMM sockets, DDR2 and DDR3 as you are probably aware. But you can't use both DDR2 and DDR3 at the same time. If this is the memory you bought, it should work in the pair of DDR3 slots: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145315

The motherboard's specs for the RAM allow for:

DDR3:

2 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets supporting up to 8 GB of system memory
Support for DDR3 1333(O.C.)/1066/800 MHz memory modules

-OR-

DDR2:

2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets supporting up to 8 GB of system memory
Support for DDR2 1066(O.C.)/800/667 MHz memory modules

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4213#sp

But remember to take out the sticks in the other pair of DIMM sockets first so you are only using DDR2 or DDR3.
 

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Thanks for the help guys.

Calvin7, Thanks for the link, i've looked into it and i think this should work, so I'm gonna order.
I do plan on getting an intel Q9650 CPU soon and according to a thread on the Gskill forum if you have an 1333mhz CPU then the F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL Ram will work. I don't really see the point in buying this though because to get the 1333mhz from that ram i think i would still need to overclock the MB which i don't want to do as this is going to be my work computer.

Thanks again
Lee :)
 

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Yes it will but you have to overclock it to do this. In the manual it says 1333mhz(OC). So because i don't want to overclock then i don't see the point in buying the 1333mhz ram as without overclocking the MB it will still be 1066mhz anyway.
Also i have read on the Gskill forum by one of the Staff there that to use the 1333mhz ram the CPU needs to be 1333mhz, but at the moment mine isn't it's only 800mhz, so i may as well just buy the one calvin7 linked to and keep that, even after i upgrade my CPU to the Intel Q9650.

BTW nice case. I have the Fractal Design arc mini R2, because i prefer smaller cases and i love it. :)
 

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OK. I thought since you were going to get the Q9650, you'd have to update the BIOS probably anyway. That would allow for the faster FSB and make the 1333mhz a more practical solution. If I remember from my Q9550, that made the FSB 1333 mhz.

Thanks, my other PC sitting next to me also has the Arc Mini R2. I liked it so well for my mATX MB system, that I bought its ATX brother for the machine in my sig.
Fractal Design makes excellent cases. Well thought out. Not much on bling, but that suits me just fine ;-)
 

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The new ram arrived today (G. SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model F3-8500CL7D-8GBRL), but after trying it the computer still won't start i just get a long series of beeps then nothing. I also tried just plugging one stick of the 4GB ram in but still the same.

I now believe the reason for this could be because my CPU (Intel E5500) has a speed of 800mhz and the ram is 1066mhz. What do you think guys could this be the reason??
It's driving me crazy now. I don't want to have to send the ram back because all the research i did pointed to this being the correct one, so i don't know what i'd try next.

I'm not completely against the idea of overclocking the CPU, just to make it work with 1066mhz ram if thats the problem, but I've never overclocked before so I'm worried i'd damage the system. I've read the overclocking guide on this site but what i could do with is some help in exactly which settings to change to overclock the 800mhz CPU to be compatible with the 1066mhz ram for my Gigabyte G41-Combo MB.

Thanks
Lee :)

EDIT: After more investigations it would appear that my Intel E5500 CPU cannot handle any more than 4GB of ram. :( Oh well it's not the end of the world as i plan on upgrading to the Q9650 CPU anyway.

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As to the faster RAM working with the slower FSB, that isn't an issue. The RAM is simply RATED for faster speeds. It will downclock to whatever speed the FSB/motherboard demands. That memory should be fine in the DDR3 DIMM slots as long as the DDR2 slots are NOT populated at the same time.

Where did you read that the E5500 has a memory limitation? The processor doesn't limit memory size, the MB and chipset does.
That motherboard supports "2 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets supporting up to 8 GB of system memory".

Make note of any changes you might have made in BIOS and then do the BIOS reset to factory new. (Page 19 in your MB manual)
After that, you will have to reset time/date and any changes you might have made to the BIOS.... like which HDD is the boot drive, SATA mode being IDE or AHCI, etc.
 

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Hello,

My apologies for digging up this old Thread here, but I just found it via search engine, and I presume others may look it up like that just as well, which is why I'd like to have this piece of information standing here for others to find:

The Gigabyte specifications are wrong, or misleading/incomplete at best...

Please see the [Intel G4x chipset specifications], page 529. There you will find this:

13.2.2 System Memory Technology Supported

The (G)MCH supports the following DDR2 and DDR3 Data Transfer Rates, DIMM
Modules, and DRAM Device Technologies:
  • ■DDR2 Data Transfer Rates: 667 (PC2-5300) and 800 (PC2-6400)
    ■DDR3 Data Transfer Rates: 800 (PC3-6400) and 1066 (PC3-8500)
    ■DDR2 DIMM Modules:
    Raw Card C - Single Sided x16 un-buffered non-ECC
    Raw Card D - Single Sided x8 un-buffered non-ECC
    Raw Card E - Double Sided x8 un-buffered non-ECC
    ■DDR3 DIMM Modules:
    Raw Card A - Single Sided x8 un-buffered non-ECC
    Raw Card B - Double Sided x8 un-buffered non-ECC
    Raw Card C - Single Sided x16 un-buffered non-ECC
    Raw Card F - Double Sided x16 un-buffered non-ECC
    ■DDR2 DRAM Device Technology: 512-Mb, 1-Gb, and 2-Gb
    ■DDR3 DRAM Device Technology: 512-Mb and 1-Gb
What this means is that the maximum DDR-III chip density lies at 1Gbit, whereas the maximum DDR-II chip density is twice that. If you look at the supported DDR-III modules you'll see that we can have at most 16 DRAM devices (=chips) per module in either a single- or double-sided configuration. Since G41 can only drive one DDR-III module per channel, we have at most 16 devices × 1Gbit = 16Gbit = 2GB per module and 4GB per G41 board. You can NOT use 4GB+ DDR-III modules, because you'd need either 32 DRAM devices at 1Gbit density or 16 devices at 2Gbit density, both of which are not supported by the chipset.

Solution: Use single-sided 16-chip DDR-II. Then you can have 2 modules at 16 × 2Gbit = 32Gbit = 4GB per module, 8GB per system.
 

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Hey Azar,

Could you provide a link to some suitable. The only one's I've found are on ebay but the seller states that they're for AMD only so I'm not sure if they'd work.
All of the 4GB DDR3's ive tried have never worked so i just gave up. Also would 2x 4GB DDR2 be much faster than 2x 2GB DDR3??

I use Photoshop on a daily basis and sometimes Illustrator too at the same time along with my browser, text editor etc. So quite often I'll notice the ram is at 80% - 90% of maximum.

I have an Intel Q9650 CPU and an NVIDIA GeForce GT 640 GPU.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Samsung-8GB-2X-4GB-DDR2-800-MHZ-PC2-6400-240PIN-Desktop-DIMM-memory-AMD-cpu/161500812298?_trksid=p2141725.c100338.m3726&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20141212152715%26meid%3D5c0f3e86cfbf4796b655ea8192ab4448%26pid%3D100338%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D28%26sd%3D331469393495

Thanks :)

EDIT: I have found this ram which might work, but the price is ridiculous, so if that's all that's available I'll probably just wait till i start another build and upgrade to some modern sticks.

http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231182

 

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At first I thought I have to get you single-sided DDR-II memory modules with 16 chips on one side. I was just about to post that I couldn't find any, and that this configuration is extremely unusual. Turns out I was just being stupid.

I misunderstood how memory module organization really works, but thanks to [this ixbtlabs article] I get it now. The "x16" didn't refer to 16 chips, but rather a 16-bit interface of each individual chip. So 4×16 chips would make one 64-bit rank, and you can have more than one rank as well. Ok, back to the drawing board, cause we can use very common modules after all:

The spec says that we can use double-sided x8 memory, right? 8-Bits per chip. To fill one rank, we need 8 chips: 8×8=64 bits, which assembles a full external interface width. But according to the table on page 529 of the spec sheet, we can have two physical ranks. So we can have a total of 16 chips, each with an 8-bit interface. With chips 2Gbit large, that's 16 chips × 2Gbit / 8 = 4GByte!

Yeah, so please disregard my first suggestion and also my statements about chip count. It's all plain wrong.

Instead, what you wanna use is double-sided, dual-rank 4GB DDR-II with 8 chips per side or single-sided, dual-rank with 16 chips on just one side. That's pretty standard stuff, like Crucials CT1685248 kit, or Kingstons KVR800D2N6K2/8G for instance.

And about speed... Please watch your hard drive LED. If it becomes very active when your memory is near-full, the system is swapping, which means terrible slowdowns even if you have a SSD drive. In such cases, the speed gain would be tremendous, considering how fast DRAM is in comparison to disks.

When not swapping (so when only RAM is being used), DDR-II should be a tiny bit slower than your DDR-III due to slightly lower bandwidth. Typically, you won't notice that, ever, because this difference is rather insignificant.

That does still leave the price issue. [Mushkin Silverline Stiletto] is slightly cheaper, but not exactly a steal either. The Samsung module you linked to on eBay should work though, because it's single-sided and has devices/chips with 8-bit width in two ranks. Should be fine!
 

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Thanks for the info at least now we know for sure how to actually get this MB to 8GB. It's a little annoying tbh because when i purchased this MB the key reason was that it supposedly supported 8GB DDR3 according to there own site. If i would have known it was only 8GB on DDR2 and 4GB DDR3 then i would have looked for a different MB.

Oh well at least this thread might be useful for others in the future so they don't make the same mistake. I may buy 2x4GB DDR2 modules in the future when I've got the spare cash, but for now i reckon I'll just stick with 4GB.

Thanks again
zaxxon :)