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May 22, 2014 6:03:54 PM

Hello tomshardware :) 

How's this for a gaming build? I live in Australia, and my budget is 750 AUD, and I want to be able to record games at a decent FPS and quality, games such as Battlefield 4, Call of Duty, etc. I won't be doing any overclocking
I STRONGLY prefer Intel over AMD. I have had more experience with Intel, having used them before, and have no interested in using AMD in the near future.

Motherboard
Gigabye G-B H87M-D3H: $99

CPU:
i5-4590: $228
Base clock speed of 3.3ghz and a maximum turbo of 3.7ghz

GPU:
2G GTX 660 Gainward-OC: $185

RAM:
2x 4G Single 1600 Patriot-S: $86 ($43 each)

PSU:
650 Watt PSU - Corsair VS650: 82

CASE:
Coolermaster USB3.0 Force 500: 49

Optical Drive:
SATA DVD RW Samsung: 18

Total: $747

I'm slightly doubtful of my RAM choice. I quite literally chose the cheapest 1600MHZ 4GB RAM stick and decided to get 2 of them. Are there any further optimisations I could make to this build to suit my needs? Any incompatibilities maybe?

Thanks guys :) 

~thecelis

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May 22, 2014 6:10:25 PM

The ram is fine and you want go with the i5 4670k not the 4590 there about the same price but the 4670k performs better and is overclockable if you decide to go that route in the future.
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May 22, 2014 6:10:45 PM

Some things I would change across the board.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($139.00 @ CPL Online)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-D3P ATX AM3+/AM3 Motherboard ($112.00 @ CPL Online)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($95.00 @ CPL Online)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270X 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($229.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Case: Cooler Master K280 ATX Mid Tower Case ($52.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($99.00 @ CPL Online)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($21.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Total: $747.00
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-23 11:10 EST+1000)
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a b 4 Gaming
May 22, 2014 6:11:11 PM

Dunlop0078 said:
The ram is fine and you want go with the i5 4670k not the 4590 there about the same price but the 4670k performs better and is overclockable if you decide to go that route in the future.


A) he said he didnt want to overclock
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B) his motherboard can't overclock.
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May 22, 2014 6:12:15 PM

Also go for a gtx 750 ti i just got one new on ebay for 150 dollars its much better than the 660 i like gigabyte or evga ftw for the 750ti.
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May 22, 2014 6:15:29 PM

James Mason said:
Dunlop0078 said:
The ram is fine and you want go with the i5 4670k not the 4590 there about the same price but the 4670k performs better and is overclockable if you decide to go that route in the future.


A) he said he didnt want to overclock
and
B) his motherboard can't overclock.


So what why wouldn't you want the option if maybe he decides to get a new motherboard in the future and there the same price so it makes no sense to me why you wouldn't he get the overclockable one.
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May 22, 2014 6:19:36 PM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3P8Wu

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($65.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Other: Coolermaster USB3.0 Force 500 ($49.00)
Total: $742.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-22 21:16 EDT-0400)

The CPU is basically a tiny bit slower i7-4770 (without the integrated GPU) and the GPU is really good for that price (beats both GTX 660 and R9 270X and it's also very silent).

RAM is cheaper, motherboard is cheaper and optical drive is cheaper as well (doesn't really affect performance).

Didn't touch the case (had to add it as a custom part).


PSU is also modular and Haswell compatible. It's also very high quality.


EDIT: I missed the part about living in Australia.
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May 22, 2014 6:22:11 PM

Dunlop0078 said:
The ram is fine and you want go with the i5 4670k not the 4590 there about the same price but the 4670k performs better and is overclockable if you decide to go that route in the future.


Read the original post before jumping in with a answer that does not suit the OP.
Second thread you've done this on in the last 10 minutes. Getting first answer is not helpful if it doesnt answer the OP's question with correct info.

Also, you are wrong about the 750 Ti vs 660, the 750 Ti is not MUCH better. The 660 wins in most games, however the 750Ti has lower power consumption.
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May 22, 2014 6:22:28 PM

Eduello said:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3P8Wu

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock B85 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($65.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($229.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($67.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Other: Coolermaster USB3.0 Force 500 ($49.00)
Total: $742.93
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-22 21:16 EDT-0400)

The CPU is basically a tiny bit slower i7-4770 (without the integrated GPU) and the GPU is really good for that price (beats both GTX 660 and R9 270X and it's also very silent).

RAM is cheaper, motherboard is cheaper and optical drive is cheaper as well (doesn't really affect performance).

Didn't touch the case (had to add it as a custom part).


He is from Australia, so that build won't work.
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a b 4 Gaming
May 22, 2014 6:22:35 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4590 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.00 @ PCCaseGear)
Motherboard: Asus H81M-E Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($62.00 @ CPL Online)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($71.41) (On Newegg Australia)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($67.00 @ CPL Online)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($189.00 @ CPL Online)
Case: Silverstone PS08B (Black) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($45.00 @ CPL Online)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($99.00 @ CPL Online)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($21.00 @ Mwave Australia)
Total: $783.41
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-23 11:21 EST+1000)
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a b 4 Gaming
May 22, 2014 6:23:22 PM

Well damn, I always miss something...
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May 22, 2014 6:36:20 PM

Thanks for all your extremely quick replies guys :) 

2 things I may have forgotten in in my post:

1) I strongly prefer Intel over AMD. I feel I have more experience with Intel, being an Intel user all my life, and have never had any interested in going with AMD.
2) I have no interest in overclocking. Not now, not in the near future.
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May 22, 2014 7:05:44 PM

Eduello said:
Well damn, I always miss something...


Don't feel bad :) 

I'll definitely look into the PSU you've picked out. Mine is very cheap and again, I literally chose the cheapest one that was there. Is that Antec HCG PSU worth the extra 20 dollars or so? I am able to get it for 102 dollars, whereas my current choice is a mere 82 dollars.

Will this PSU save me on energy bills? Or what could I expect in terms of performance and short-term and long-term benefits?





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May 22, 2014 7:09:50 PM

The Seasonic in my build is the best for the money. NEVER cheap out on a PSU.

Also nothing wrong with AMD, it can't be beat price/performance wise when doing a budget build.
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May 22, 2014 7:11:32 PM

thecelis said:
Eduello said:
Well damn, I always miss something...


Don't feel bad :) 

I'll definitely look into the PSU you've picked out. Mine is very cheap and again, I literally chose the cheapest one that was there. Is that Antec HCG PSU worth the extra 20 dollars or so? I am able to get it for 102 dollars, whereas my current choice is a mere 82 dollars.

Will this PSU save me on energy bills? Or what could I expect in terms of performance and short-term and long-term benefits?


It'll save a bit of power and it also is semi modular (most unnecessary cables can be removed). On top of that it's very high quality and will output clean power with very little ripple compared to the Corsair one. The Corsair VS PSUs use bad capacitors that cause heat and longevity issues. I would say the Antec one is definitely worth the extra money.

As said previously, the Seasonic is also very good (If I recall correctly, this Antec PSU is also made by Seasonic).
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May 22, 2014 8:01:57 PM

Eduello said:

As said previously, the Seasonic is also very good (If I recall correctly, this Antec PSU is also made by Seasonic).


The Antec HCG series uses Seasonic for the 400/520/620W and Delta for the 750/900W.
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May 23, 2014 7:43:32 AM

bradsctt said:
Dunlop0078 said:
The ram is fine and you want go with the i5 4670k not the 4590 there about the same price but the 4670k performs better and is overclockable if you decide to go that route in the future.


Read the original post before jumping in with a answer that does not suit the OP.
Second thread you've done this on in the last 10 minutes. Getting first answer is not helpful if it doesnt answer the OP's question with correct info.

Also, you are wrong about the 750 Ti vs 660, the 750 Ti is not MUCH better. The 660 wins in most games, however the 750Ti has lower power consumption.


You seem to be taking this a bit too serious and i most certainly did read the original post im sorry if my choice in CPU'S offends you but i think its the better buy even if he never plans to overclock.
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May 24, 2014 1:38:01 AM

Dunlop0078 said:

You seem to be taking this a bit too serious and i most certainly did read the original post im sorry if my choice in CPU'S offends you but i think its the better buy even if he never plans to overclock.

Your choice does not offend me, that is what will work better in your opinion and i respect that, but i merely stated the truth about your posting habits.

Haswell Refresh is faster, even if marginally. OP has no real reason to upgrade their motherboard in the future, the one they have chosen is more than adequate, and provides upgrade routes for if they are able to pick up an i7 4770, or 4790 (if Gigabyte release a bios update to support Haswell Refresh for this board) in a few years if they require more CPU power (Im basing this off the fact that more and more programs are able to take advantage of Hyper Threading). Apart from being H87, meaning no SLI support and no overclocking, the board is virtually identical to the available Z87 boards, at a lower price bracket that fits the OP's budget.

Yes, if the OP goes for the 4670K they will be able to overclock, but only after dishing out even more money so they have a Z87 / Z97 board. There is no reason why they shouldn't go for the i5-4590, it will perform virtually identically in gaming tasks against the 4670K when it is at stock speeds, so they should base their choice off what works best for their budget.

I gave my opinion, which was that you were wrong about the GPU, and if you had done any research, you would know that i am right. Just because the series is newer, doesn't mean it is always faster.

The GTX 660 does outperform the 750 Ti, except in some compute tasks, and obviously power consumption. Any benchmark will show that. I've recently been putting together a build for a friend, who wanted the most GPU power within their budget. In this case, we went with the 750 Ti as they were unable to stretch their budget to the faster GTX 660, and power consumption was an important factor in the build.

Sorry to anyone else reading this wall of text.
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May 24, 2014 10:39:39 AM

Folks, I have removed the personal attacks in this thread. Please refrain from doing this again. Attack an opinion with facts and sources. Don't attack other members with names and attitudes. If you were sitting around a build, you wouldn't talk to each other this way. Don't do it here.

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May 24, 2014 1:09:35 PM

Cheers COLGeek. I didn't intend for that to happen. I didn't think that what I said was offensive, but he may have taken it the wrong way.
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May 24, 2014 6:34:29 PM

Apologies to everyone who may have been offended by another poster's actions. I created this thread with the idea of seeking more experienced-builders to help me with a build that I am planning.

After browsing this thread, I have decided to make 2 changes:
1) I will be buying my RAM in a kit, that'll save me a few dollars.
2) I'll be upgrading my PSU.

Updated List:

Motherboard: Gigabyte G-B H87M-D3H: $99

CPU: i5-4590: $228

GPU: 2G GTX 660 Gainward-OC: $185

RAM: 8G Kit 1600 Patriot-S: $85

PSU: Antec HCG 620: $102

CASE: Coolermaster USB3.0 Force 500: $49

Optical Drive: SATA DVD RW Samsung: $18

Total: $766

It is worth noting that I am not buying any of my pieces online, but from here: http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
Is Gainward a notable manufacture? I had never really heard of them, the big names always being MSI, ASUS, etc.

Again, apologise for anyone who may have taken offence from another user's postings. I intend this thread to be a PC helping thread and a PC helping thread only.





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May 24, 2014 8:05:00 PM

thecelis said:

Is Gainward a notable manufacture?


Gainward used to be a big name but they've kind of fallen off as of late. They are a decent manufacturer. Also, for the extra $8 I'd recommend getting the Antec HCGM. The modularity will really help with cable management.
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May 24, 2014 10:12:56 PM

thecelis, theres no reason for you to apologise for the disagreement between me and Dunlop. Our opinions conflicted, and thats that. We were both trying to help you, but we ended up having a disagreement..... It wasnt the place nor the time for any argument, sorry :( 

Anyway, your build looks fine. As Blaise170 said, Gainward used to be big, but theyve fallen off the radar. +1 for his point about modularity, it allows for better airflow when you dont have all the extra cables in the way too.
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May 25, 2014 4:37:59 AM

bradsctt said:
thecelis, theres no reason for you to apologise for the disagreement between me and Dunlop. Our opinions conflicted, and thats that. We were both trying to help you, but we ended up having a disagreement..... It wasnt the place nor the time for any argument, sorry :( 

Anyway, your build looks fine. As Blaise170 said, Gainward used to be big, but theyve fallen off the radar. +1 for his point about modularity, it allows for better airflow when you dont have all the extra cables in the way too.


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May 26, 2014 2:22:41 AM

Blaise170 said:
thecelis said:

Is Gainward a notable manufacture?


Gainward used to be a big name but they've kind of fallen off as of late. They are a decent manufacturer. Also, for the extra $8 I'd recommend getting the Antec HCGM. The modularity will really help with cable management.


Excellent response. Will do spend the extra 8 dollars. Thanks! :D 
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May 26, 2014 2:32:00 AM

For anyone interested, this is my final draft of my build:

Motherboard: Gigabyte G-B H87M-D3H: $99

CPU: i5-4590: $228

GPU: 2G GTX 660 Gainward-OC: $185

RAM: 8G Kit 1600 Patriot-S: $85

PSU: Antec HCG-Modular 620M: $110

CASE: Coolermaster USB3.0 Force 500: $49

Optical Drive: SATA DVD RW Samsung: $18

Total: $774

Just one further question, will I need to buy a wireless adapter in the PCI slot/USB if I want to use wireless? My budget motherboard doesn't contain a wireless 'port'. If anyone could point my way to a good choice I would be more than appreciative.

And this build should be 'future-proof' for a while? I should be able to run current games (Battlefield 4, TF2, etc) and future games are high-ultra at at least 40-50 fps?

Thanks guys, you've helped me an unbelievable amount :) 
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