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May 24, 2014 8:13:11 PM

Hey Tom's, I am 13 years old and have never built a gaming pc in my life. The PC I'm looking to built will be for gaming and video editing. I've been studying gaming PC's for not even a month now, and even though I am still investing lot's of time into research, I have come to know a lot of parts and understand all features of a gaming rig. I know a good rig when I see one (or read about one :p ), and I decided that I'd build my own gaming rig, after trying to play Skyrim on an all in one Dell, which was a terrible idea. Waste of $40, I thought. And that's how the idea came.

So, I've been wanting to build a high quality rig that is silent, cool, VERY customizable/upgradeable, and will last for around 3-5 years. I plan on upgrading in around 2 years, I'll be upgrading RAM, Graphic Cards, etc. So I went onto pcpartpicker.com and came up with this list: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tommyturner12/saved/4N9e

The rig features- an Intel i7-4770K 3.5GHz (Processor), Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO (Cooler), ASUS Maximums VI Hero LGA1150 (Motherboard), Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x4GB) (RAM), Crucial M500 240GB (SSD), Seagate Barracuda 1 TB 7200RPM (HDD), EVGA GeForce 780 Dual FTW ACX (Video Card), Roswell Thor V2 (Case), Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX (Power Supply), ASUS DVD/CD Writer (Optical Drive), Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (Operating System), ASUS VG248QE 144Hz 1ms 24.0" Monitor, Cooler Master Storm Quickie Rapid (Keyboard), and a Cooler Master Recon Optical Wired (Mouse)

The cost totals in at $2007.46 USD. I chose the Maximus Hero because it's a great Mobo, looks sexy, great compatibility, great control, amazing cooling, and it has many room for upgrades. In the future, I'm looking to upgrade to Water Cooling (I'm a fan of Corsair), 32 GB RAM because I'll be making my own RAM disk of about 16GB RAM, if that's even possible, which will make my PC FAST, 2-3 TB HDD, 512GB SSD for faster boot times, a GTX 780 Ti Classified (Too bad though, considering they are coming out with the 800 Series, but I may do a Dual 780 Ti or one 780 Ti Classified, I don't know yet), will upgrade to Windows 8.1 and use a tool to give Win 7 design, and maybe Triple monitor with ASUS VG248QE. Those upgrades will cost maybe around, with triple monitor setup, maybe another $2500. However, when I'm 14, I'll be getting a summer camp job which pays $1200 for 8 weeks, so that's good. I'm posting this very long thread just to ask you guys if I should add/take out anything, but nothing should go over $2000. Is this a good build? Thanks!
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May 24, 2014 8:26:18 PM

wait like 2 weeks for 4790k and get that with z97 motherboard
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May 24, 2014 8:52:01 PM

Easiest way to get a VERY customizable/upgradeable computer is build another one in 2 years. All the knowledgeable folks here have excellent $1,000 builds. Then you can make another $1,000 build 2 years down the road. $1,200 is already a gaming rig. You can even save the $800 for a new video card couple years down the road.

Don't skimp on the power supply. Get 4x4GB for the memory (the kits are cheaper and you can pop 8 gigs in your next build)
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May 24, 2014 9:01:09 PM

You are sort of in a problem in that one June 2nd the Intel Devil's Canyon is coming out. These are upgraded processors with better cooling that will be able to be overclocked to 5GHz. You will need a Z97 level motherboard. You will want a better cooler than the CM EVO though.
The 4790K will cost $350 and you need a better cooler. I'd recommend going down to an ASUS Z97-A motherboard and 8GB ram. You really don't want or need a 16GB RAM disk. You will be able to upgrade to 16GB soon, that's all you need. A RAM disk is a hassle for you will have to load it on power up and dump it on power down. It is best used as a cache for your SSD and for storing temp files like internet browsing.
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May 24, 2014 9:03:16 PM

Hey guys, thanks for the blazing quick responses. "esco_sid"- I forgot about the i7-4790K release, you saved me 1GHz right there! Not to mention the great improvement on overclocking capabilities with the 4.4GHz Turbo on..... the thought gives me chills! "i7Baby"- Thank you for the great suggestions! I never came to the realize the importance of the Power Supply, until I just realized that your power supply is the HEART of your rig. If Corsair is mediocre, then I will definitely get something better. Thanks man! Also, now that I now that the i7-4790K is coming out, I guess I have to get Z79, but if you guys thought it was better than the ASUS Hero, than I guess that it is! Here, I'll post the link to my new updated list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Qp9F You guys helped me a ton, thank you!
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May 24, 2014 9:12:38 PM

Pondering and babernet_1- Thanks for the responses! Pondering, honestly, I think I may just do that. Sticking to a $1000 build will allow me to have a lot of extra money for the new i7-4790K, and I think I'll stick to my normal desktop mouse and keyboard fir gaming, which'll save me about $100. I'll go with a 27" monitor, as i7Baby said. Since the new i7 will only cost $40 more, getting water cooling will also be an excellent idea. Babernet_1, if RAM disks are that much of a hassle, than I think downgrading to 8GB is reasonable. Besides, with the new i7 coming out, will any rig NOT be fast enough?!? In my "updated" version posted 5 mins ago, I didn't know which Z97 to choose, so I'll switch to the "A" version. Thanks you guys a ton, you guys are truly awesome!
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May 24, 2014 9:42:15 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3Qp9F There were lots of things changed with this. First, I took out the CPU just to give more accurate prices and to leave room for the 4790K. I took out the Hyper 212 EVO and replaced it with the H100i, a top of the line liquid cooler(I think...), and then I changed the Hero to a Z97-A. I downgraded the 16GB RAM to 8GB of RAM, as since I won't be needing a disk, and I won't be doing extreme video editing tasks, the extra RAM isn't worth the extra $$. I changed the Corsair 600W to a Seasonic 660W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular Edition, and I replaced the ASUS 24" more expensive monitor with a better reviewed 27" BenQ monitor that costs $60 less. By downgrading some things that could be later upgraded easily, it opened up better options to keep my system running better with advanced liquid cooling and a highly efficient power supply. When the i7-4790K comes out, The rig will cost $1937.27, which is $70 LOWER than originally planned, with better peripherals, better cooling, better power supply, and less RAM that can be add no problem. As I say again thank you guys SO much for your suggestions. Now, I have a better PC for about $100 less. You guys are the best! ;) 
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a b 4 Gaming
May 24, 2014 10:39:19 PM

+1
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May 24, 2014 11:12:38 PM

tommyturner12 said:
Oops, wrong link. Here is the link: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tommyturner12/saved/4N9e Also, I took out Windows 7, as I can just pirate the version for free, which will save me a nice $100


i really wish you would have not said that.

but here is what i would get

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($269.99 @ Micro Center)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z97 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($104.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($629.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 760T Black ATX Full Tower Case ($159.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $2019.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-25 02:37 EDT-0400)
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May 24, 2014 11:21:38 PM

I'd get something like this myself :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Eisberg 240L Prestige 60.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($158.99 @ Mac Mall)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($104.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($477.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000G2 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: BenQ GW2750HM 27.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Mad Catz V5 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($59.98 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Cooler Master Recon Wired Optical Mouse ($23.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1760.85
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-25 02:24 EDT-0400)
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May 25, 2014 9:38:29 AM

"esco_sid"- Sounds good, I guess I shouldn't pirate the version. I like the build, however, that exceeds my budget for when the 4790K comes out, and that's even without peripherals, which are another $250. Maybe when I'm rich, I'll do that. "andrei65"- Wow, that's a pretty great list! Even with peripherals, it caps at $1750. Nice list, however what would you suggest for water cooling? The Corsair h100i is $60 cheaper, but if the Cooler Master is better, than I may switch to that. Which one is coolest and quietest, and easiest to set up? Also, a h100i doesn't fit in a mid tower ATX Case, so I need a full tower case, and I have to say that the Nzxt Phantom 820 looks nice. Suggestions? But, I really like the choice for the video card. It saves $50 and comes with Twin Froze cooling. So maybe, with the money decrease towards the gaming card, I can use that to get the Cooler Master Liquid Cooler? What do you suggest? Thanks!
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May 25, 2014 11:25:35 AM

Obviously a h100i fits in a mid tower case ! It's a 240MM cpu cooler , you can put it on the up of the case and you're done
I'd suggest the kraken x60 , h220 , eisberg 240l or antec kuhler h2o 620
I honestly prefer the H440 fron NZXT in terms of looks !
I'd water cool the whole thing up , and it's not so hard , so you can overclock
I don't mean get a hole custom loop , just a kraken g10 and a kraken x60
If you want to watercool take a look at this :

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Eisberg 240L Prestige 60.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($158.99 @ Mac Mall)
Memory: G.Skill Trident X 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($104.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB Video Card ($301.20 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT H440 (Red/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000G2 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: BenQ GW2750HM 27.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Mad Catz V5 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($59.98 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Cooler Master Recon Wired Optical Mouse ($23.99 @ Newegg)
Other: Kraken G10 ($30.00)
Other: Corsair H110 ($115.00)
Other: External DVD Writer ($30.00)
Total: $1739.08
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-25 14:24 EDT-0400)

That 290 will benefit of the watercooling , though you'll have to sacrifice the optical drive bays in order to fit the h110 and the eisberg 240l

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May 25, 2014 1:34:31 PM

Great build! Just a few questions:
1- r9 290 or GTX 770 4GB Dual Super clocked in terms of performance and noise. Best bang for your buck?
2- All that cooling necessary? I'll save $150 without the h100i and Kraken G10, and just with the CM Eisberg 240L
3- 16GB or 8GB RAM? I'm not making a RAM disk, so 8GB should save me about $90, and can later be upgraded

Otherwise, great build. Without the h100i and Kraken, I can save $150 which I'll put to a GTX 770 DUAL SC 4GB edition. Besides, is all of that cooling necessary. If it is, I'll be more than happy to change my list. I chose the Roswell Thor because I couldn't find the h440 and it looks great. So if all of that cooling kept my system cool and looked good, well, the Thor doesn't have a case so looks for cooling aren't necessary. I'll downgrade to 8GB RAM so I could put the money to a better graphics card. I went up 2 TB of space like you said, with only paying about $40 more. Just one more last thing: I have never put a PC together. I've seen videos and heard that it seems easier than Lego's and everything basically only goes one way, but since I'm inexperienced, I just wanted to know: Should I have a pro put it together for me? I know they overprice, but these are EXPENSIVE parts, and I trust people who have put together hundreds of PC's before. What do you think? I know it's a great learning experience, but think it's worth making sure it's put together perfectly. Besides, water cooling looks so complicated (I know it isn't) and if I mess up I'm screwed. Thanks for responding!
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May 25, 2014 1:39:00 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tommyturner12/saved/4N9e
CPU Cooler-Cooler Master Eisberg 240L Prestige 60.2 CFM Liquid $159.99
Motherboard-Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Combo or $144.99
Memory-G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 $78.99
Storage-Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" SSD $104.99
Storage-Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM $104.98
Video Card-EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Dual Superclocked ACX $399.99
Case-Rosewill THOR V2 ATX Full Tower $109.99
Power Supply-EVGA 1000W ATX12V / EPS12V $149.99
Optical Drive-Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer $16.99
Operating System-Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) Combo or $102.98
Monitor-BenQ GW2750HM 27.0" $179.99
Keyboard-Mad Catz V5 $59.98
Mouse-Corsair Vengeance M95 Wired Laser $49.99

Grand Total- $1648.84
(After getting i7-4790K)- About $1998.84
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May 25, 2014 1:49:39 PM

1 . Performance : R9 290
Noise : 770
But if you watercool it , then the 290 will most definetly be quieter and have better performances
Watercooling the 290 will unleash it's performances
2 . Not needed but the 290 will get really hot and makes some noise , and i suggest watercooling to make it quieter and unleash its performance like i said above , and the eisberg is only for the cpu .
The kraken g10 is basically to turn most cpu coolers into a gpu cooler
Take a look at NZXT's site for cpu coolers compatibility :
http://www.nzxt.com/product/detail/138-kraken-g10-gpu-b...
3 . If you're not doing video editing then yep go for 8gb .
You're only losing performance by going for a 770 , and 4gb is completly useless .
I wouldn't be more than happy to change the list , watercooling and overclocking the 290 will turn that gpu in a COMPLETE beast !
The kraken looks good , same for the eisberg and the h100i
The best gpu you can get is the 290 ..
2TB is enough imo
Building your own PC is always a good experience , and I think you shouldn't make a pro build it for you , they might just do it too fast and do a completly crappy build and it won't unlock all the builds potential . And building a pc is very educational , i've seen 7 years old do that so you should be able to do that ! Just make sure you have a screwdriver and an antistatic wrist strap and you're fine
Nope you're not screwed , only thing to worry about is not touching the pins of the cpu and having that antistatic wrist strap and you're fine !
i know it looks complicated but it really is easy !!
take your time , even if it takes 4 hours just take your time !





EDIT : i made a BIG mistake you can not use a h100i on the kraken !!!
Get the h110 instead http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
And again I HIGHLY recommend getting a 290 , watercool it and overclock it rather than getting a 770 , it's easily gonna outperform the 770 and will be better than a 780 , and will most likely compare to a 780 ti .
You can even get a 290 and don't overclock it and it will still outperform a 770
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May 25, 2014 1:52:48 PM

Also overclocking to 5GHz with the 4790k won't only be useless but it will also cause more heat so better go for a 4770k in my opinion
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May 25, 2014 2:40:54 PM

Alright, so here is my FINAL list for my gaming rig build: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tommyturner12/saved/4N9e So in this, I downgraded my 3 TB Seagate Barracuda to a 2 TB Seagate Barracuda. I decided to not get the 4790K and get the 4770K, but I'm still unsure, as the 4790K will cost $40 more but is 4.1 GHz average, where as the 4770K is 3.5 GHz average. The thing that concerns me is that to even reach 4.1 GHz, I'll have to overclock the 4770K, which, as you had said, causes more heat and also shortens the lifespan of the computer. If the 4790K can hit 4.4 GHz max, then I don't know. But if it doesn't matter, than I'm fine with it, and I'll stick to the 4770K. Your call. And lastly, I "upgraded" the GTX 770 to the r9 290 PCS+, which costs a lot, I know, but outperforms even the r9 290x, which costs $50-100 more than the PCS+ version. But if I need to, I'll go to a normal version which costs $150 less, but the PCS+ version has 3 fans on the card to optimize cooling. Once again, your call. Now, again, I have a question, but this is the LAST one:
If I don't need the 4790K, and stick with the 4770K, should I change my Mobo. The reason for this is that I changed my Mobo to a Z97 when I found out that the 4790K only is supported by that specific Motherboard. I'm pretty sure that their are motherboards that cost the same or even less and still outperform this Z97. What I'm looking at is the ASUS VI Hero, which looks awesome, has great cooling, very durable, has great compatibility, great control, and lasts a long time. What do you think? It's your call. Thanks!

Oh, I forgot, since the PCS+ version has 3 big fans, do I need a liquid cooler with that. I know AMD has GPU heat problems, and like you said, it unleashes the true potential of the card. So if I need a liquid cooler, could you give me a link that'd show me all of the parts needed to liquid cool the GPU. I mean, ALL of the parts. If you could, I'd appreciate it.
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May 25, 2014 2:54:13 PM

The 290 only outperforms the 290x overclocked !!
no you shouldn't the mobo is fine , keep the z97
the asus vi hero is good but it's a z87 mobo , i'd get a z97 mobo but there's no problem in getting a z87
you only need a liquid cooler if you're gonna overclock !
all of the parts you need to watercool the gpu ( closed loop ) are the h110/x60 and the kraken g10 otherwise i don't really know how to do a custom loop , the pump , the waterblock and other stuff is kinda messing with my head lol !
your build is fine unless you're gonna overclock the gpu you wanna watercool it
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May 25, 2014 4:34:27 PM

Hey man, thanks for everything, truly. I've researched all of the parts and my remodeled build demolishes the one I originally planned. Also, I will be water cooling GPU with the Kraken g10, and I'm looking forward to building this monster :)  You've helped so much, thanks a lot man!
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May 25, 2014 4:35:28 PM

no reason to spend money on a 1000 watt psu just get same evga one that has 850 even if u add another card later on it will be fine and for cooler look into nh-d15 from noctua you will save a lot of $ it is the best air cpu cooler you can get it performs on par with most liquid coolers only really expensive ones beat it that cost 2-3x more with saved money you could further upgrade to a better video card.

heres whith adjustments and you have most powerful single gpu card on the planet for $50 more or you could get 290x and cheaper then your current build.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($78.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($104.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($83.97 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($629.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill THOR V2 ATX Full Tower Case ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: BenQ GW2750HM 27.0" Monitor ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Mad Catz V5 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($59.98 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Corsair Vengeance M95 Wired Laser Mouse ($49.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $2057.82
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-25 19:38 EDT-0400)
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May 25, 2014 5:15:43 PM

esco_sid- Ooh, wow, that is one heck of a build right there. Great, now I'm torn between the two rig's :p  On one side, you have water cooling and a GPU that outperforms a 780 if kept water cooled and oveclocked. And on your side, you have the most powerful single GPU card.... ever. The thing is, I'm kind of leaning towards your build, as in the future I plan to do a dual or triple monitor setup, which the 780 Ti is optimized for. However, the r9 290 PCS+ has 4GB VRAM, and 3 fans to optimize it's cooling. Yet again, this is the most powerful card on the planet. I have 3 questions now:
1- Air or water cooling? If I plan to do a dual SLI setup in the future, Won't I need water cooling? Or at least 3 fans? Will I even have to water cool my GPU? Your call.
2- If I don't need water cooling, could I take a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO and get a 780 Ti Classified? I heard that the Noctua DH-14 and the CM 212 EVO are toe-to-toe, and that you wasting $60 for nothing if you buy Noctua. What do you think? More importantly, which is easiest to set up and most silent? Your call.
Overall, great setup. If you can convince me to use your build, I'll oblige. Oh, one last thing. I'll be buying this around next summer (I know, kind of long), and I heard that the 800 series will be released around next spring. By the time of summer, do you think that the 780 Ti will take a price drop? And if it does, should I take an 800 card. I've heard that there should be a 20~30% increase with the new card, and I imagine that it'll be priced around $600-700 USD. Should I wait? Will a 780 Ti still be necessary by then? Thanks!
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May 25, 2014 6:15:36 PM

tommyturner12 said:
esco_sid- Ooh, wow, that is one heck of a build right there. Great, now I'm torn between the two rig's :p  On one side, you have water cooling and a GPU that outperforms a 780 if kept water cooled and oveclocked. And on your side, you have the most powerful single GPU card.... ever. The thing is, I'm kind of leaning towards your build, as in the future I plan to do a dual or triple monitor setup, which the 780 Ti is optimized for. However, the r9 290 PCS+ has 4GB VRAM, and 3 fans to optimize it's cooling. Yet again, this is the most powerful card on the planet. I have 3 questions now:
1- Air or water cooling? If I plan to do a dual SLI setup in the future, Won't I need water cooling? Or at least 3 fans? Will I even have to water cool my GPU? Your call.
2- If I don't need water cooling, could I take a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO and get a 780 Ti Classified? I heard that the Noctua DH-14 and the CM 212 EVO are toe-to-toe, and that you wasting $60 for nothing if you buy Noctua. What do you think? More importantly, which is easiest to set up and most silent? Your call.
Overall, great setup. If you can convince me to use your build, I'll oblige. Oh, one last thing. I'll be buying this around next summer (I know, kind of long), and I heard that the 800 series will be released around next spring. By the time of summer, do you think that the 780 Ti will take a price drop? And if it does, should I take an 800 card. I've heard that there should be a 20~30% increase with the new card, and I imagine that it'll be priced around $600-700 USD. Should I wait? Will a 780 Ti still be necessary by then? Thanks!


well if your going to build next summer these builds will be obsolete and will need to redo them as prices and components in computer world change really fast.

as for the questions air cooling is fine you don't really need to water cool anything unless you plan some kind of insanity overclocks wich would require a lot of overclocking knowledge but for decently high overclocks nh-d15 would be superb performance and no eve 212 does not even come close on cooling when compared to nh-d15 and Noctua has the best and most silent heatsink fans you can buy but yes you could go with 212 evo for moderate overclocks its your call it is the best budget cpu heatsink you can buy.

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May 25, 2014 6:53:39 PM

Sorry, I stated that wrong. I meant that should I wait till next summer to build a rig, as the 800 series is coming out, or should I start soon? I wrote the statement badly, my bad :p  Anyways, thanks for the response, I have switches to the Noctua nh-d14. Here is my final build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3QVLQ
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May 25, 2014 10:16:56 PM

I never liked noctua coolers because they look like poop and the coolers can't be painted ><
I won't wait but if you really don't want a 290 then wait till september for the 5th gen intel cpu's
Otherwise for the build , you're wasting money for some parts like the psu , for 10 extra bucks you can get a 1000w one if you're gonna sli later
The crucial ssd is fairly slower than a samsung ssd , and there's no point of getting a crucial ssd at this budget
Otherwise everything is pretty much ok !
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May 25, 2014 11:22:01 PM

Thanks for the tips! I have to agree with you, the NH-D14 are ugly and their color makes it worse. But they are top quality coolers, so always consider it. So what I did with this is switched the coolers to the be quiet! shadowrock 2 coolers, as I've researched that they are better than a 212 EVO and are silent and a bit more cooler than the nh-d14, not mentioning the fact that it is $20 less. I figured that I won't wait for the new 5th gen processors, as they will need a new motherboard and will be expensive. I went back to the 1000W supply, as you said, 150W more for $10 more. In the future, I will do an SLI triple monitor setup, but considering that that'll be about 3-4 years, those 780 Ti's will be worth nothing and a more powerful card with more power consumption will be used, so that extra 150W is worth it :p  Also, I took out the keyboard and mouse, which both cost about $100 together. After about 6-12 months of using my rig, I'll buy the top of the line gaming keyboard and mouse with the money I save. I switched from Win 8.1 to Win 7, as Win 8.1 is god awful. One last thing, I decided that the money saved with taking out the graphics card will be used on an advanced 780 Ti and the new 4790K coming out, as both cost about an extra $50. Should I do that? What do you think of the build overall? Here is the link so you an decide: http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tommyturner12/saved/4N9e Thanks for all the help provided!
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May 25, 2014 11:36:27 PM

I only have one recommandation right now
Get a 290 and watercool it with a kraken x60/h110 and a kraken g10 and you'll save up money ( like 100$ ? ) , have a quiet card , highly overclockable and very performing card for the money if you overclock it
Games run better on windows 8.1 right now
You don't need the top of the line gaming peripherals , you could just get a cheap comfortable mouse and a mechanical , comfortable keyboard or vice versa
You can always wait for the 4790k but i'd never o/c it to 5GHz anyway
The build is good but i'd still get a water cooled 290 , i don't see why you don't wanna get a watercooled 290 and overclock it as it will surpass a 780 and will most likely compare to a 780 ti and in some cases beat it
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May 26, 2014 12:37:37 AM

Alright, I decided I will get the r9 290 version. I've been researching and I found comparisons of greatly cooled r9 290's versus stock cooled r9 290x's and the r9 290 blew it out of the water. I then compared the r9 290x to the GTX 780 Ti and found that they are very close in terms of performance, and, if cooled correctly, noise and heat. So if a liquid cooled r9 290 can beat an overclocked nicely cooled "advanced" version of itself, it isn't very far behind the 780 Ti, either. I'll get Win 8.1 and use a tool that gives it Win 7 design, so that'd be nice + a performance boost with it is even greater. I decided I'd not overclock the 4790K anyways, as it shortens the lifespan of the rig and causes more heat. I'm not great with keyboards and mice, can Yu suggest me cheap, comfortable peripherals that cost less than $60? Thank you so much again for helping with the build! Here is the build that fits everything that was discussed:

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/tommyturner12/saved/4N9e

I'm overclocking and water cooling the GPU, which will cost me approximately $170 for the Kraken G10 and the Kraken X40. The build will cost me in total (but not pinpoint accurate)- $1989.06. But like I said, I could wait for better peripherals, as I already have a keyboard and mouse, but they aren't optimized for gaming whatsoever. Thanks for all the help man!

Oops, my bad, it costs 125$ for a Kraken x40 and g10. One last questions that'll make the difference: Kraken X40 or X60? With the x40, it is 125$ total, where as with the x60, it is $155 total. Which will fit? Which is better in terms of noise and temperatures? If you don't know, it's cool. And also, the total cost is actually 1944.06$ with a x40, and 1974.06 for a x60. Later!
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May 26, 2014 12:53:55 AM

Here's a GREAT gaming keyboard and mouse combo for 30$
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-keyboard-sgb...
And don't forget to buy the Kraken G10
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Make sure you get the color that you want , this one's the black version but you can get the red and the white version !
And the h110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or the kraken x60 rather then the h110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Don't get the x40 get the x60 , or you won't see any performance increase with watercooling ; only 240mm or 280mm aio watercoolers will make a difference , that's why i keep recommending the x60 or the h110 ( x60 is a 280mm and h110 is a 280mm too ) !
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May 26, 2014 1:10:29 AM

Thanks man. That combo is AMAZING! But on the other hand, dang it! I just watched an 18 minute video on installing the Kraken x40 and Kraken g10 on an r9 290
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May 26, 2014 1:17:44 AM

It's worth it !
It looks hard but it's worth it !
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May 26, 2014 2:17:30 AM

If you have any other question feel free to ask
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May 26, 2014 9:21:08 AM

Hey man, thanks for everything. You really helped me out with my build and helped me come up with the best possible build I could've never thought of by myself. Thank you, truly. Now, to the last part. I have one.... concern, sort of a question, but really just a concern that I hope you could solve/answer. Now, by using the Kraken X60 and G10, I'm water cooling my GPU. My concern is that... wouldn't that void my warranty? If I water cooled the GPU and something happened, like the GPU just crashed or it overheated if water cooled incorrectly, then the GPU is done for and that would void the warranty because their was an installation on the GPU itself. Can you help me with that? If it does, I'll be fine taking the risk. But I just wanted to know. Thanks!
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May 26, 2014 9:29:13 AM

It will void the warranty , but what you can do is just put back every single part on it and rma the gpu , and they won't even know you've did anything to it :) 
it's just a little trick that seems to always work
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May 26, 2014 9:32:39 AM

That's perfect, thanks! I have my final build. Thank you!
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May 26, 2014 9:37:49 AM

No problem , tell me how it turned out , i'd really be happy to know if you did it !
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May 26, 2014 9:46:44 AM

Also , if you want to you can wait till devils canyon though they're based on overclocking , and i don't think you'll overclock the cpu too much anyway
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