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May 25, 2014 6:37:46 AM

I am planning on getting a upgrade for my pc before the October gaming madness. My budget is $1000 only, but I recently bought a GTX770OC so I don't plan on getting a GPU upgrade.

I currently have a i5-2300 @2.8GHz, a very lame mobo (LGA1155 socket), no SSD and 8GB DDR3-1333MHz RAM.

Now I was planning to get :
i7-4770k
Either Gibabyte Sniper.M1 or MSI GD65 gaming mobo
Corsair Vengeance Pro 2400 DDR3 RAM
And a ~120GB SSD (Still deciding on which one)

I would like my PC to be generally fast as I am on my PC allot, but I don't do any professional video editing or any of that. I do some Jave, C and VHDL coding though. I am mostly concerned about gaming performance though.
I am planning to OC once I upgrade.

Would you reccommend I rather go for the i5 and save some money to spend on I don't know what? Or should I just go i7 and get the best performence I can?

Thanks for the help. I'm really confused after reading 10000 forums on the debate.

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May 25, 2014 6:42:26 AM

Go for an i5 4670K it is a very good CPU for gaming, the i7 would be overkill on your budget.
Spend the money you save on a graphics card instead.

And if you want to OC I would recommend an Cooler Master hyper 212 Evo:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-r...
You will need it to keep the temperatures as low as possible and the performance as high as possible.
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May 25, 2014 6:47:33 AM

No upgrade needed either for gaming and editing, your current CPU is really good for gaming I would wait for "Broadwell" because upgrade from i5-2300 to current gen. is not worth the money because you'll get 5~10% performance increase from upgrade.
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May 25, 2014 6:51:23 AM

With Amazon's price, the 4770k costs about 90$ more. In overall benchmarks and speccs the 4770k is approx 30% better than the 4670k, but when looking at the single core performance its only about 4-5% difference.

So if you are on a budget, i would recommend going with the 4670k and spend the 90$ you save on other components instead as the performance difference is quite small.

For the SSD i would recommend the "Samsung evo" series, they are robust, perform really well, realiable and comme at a good price.

Amazon price: Samsung 840 evo 120gb (read / write 520mb/s - 410mb/s) = 80.99$
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-EVO-Series-2-...

For the money you save from going with the 4670k, you could bet 2 of these and run them in Raid-0 and get 2x performance. :) 
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May 25, 2014 6:56:18 AM

Nicolay Setre said:
With Amazon's price, the 4770k costs about 90$ more. In overall benchmarks and speccs the 4770k is approx 30% better than the 4670k, but when looking at the single core performance its only about 4-5% difference.

So if you are on a budget, i would recommend going with the 4670k and spend the 90$ you save on other components instead as the performance difference is quite small.

For the SSD i would recommend the "Samsung evo" series, they are robust, perform really well, realiable and comme at a good price.

Amazon price: Samsung 840 evo 120gb (read / write 520mb/s - 410mb/s) = 80.99$
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-EVO-Series-2-...

For the money you save from going with the 4670k, you could bet 2 of these and run them in Raid-0 and get 2x performance. :) 


Raid 0 for SSD's is pointless because there is not so big difference in performance http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,...
He can just get new SSD and enjoy with his current build until "Broadwell" comes :) 
His current CPU is in tier 1 CPU for gaming from Intel http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...
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May 25, 2014 7:12:39 AM

Wow. Thank you all for the quick replies. I've been loving this community everyday more and more since I discovered it.

I am now quite confused though.

I see my CPU is still listed as a tier 1 CPU, but I am really starting to see my pc struggle with new releases lately. My friend recently built himself a new pc (not really for heavy gaming) with a i5-4570 (I think) and I really average AMD GPU. Then we ran 3D Mark on both our PC's and his outperformed mine by so much in the physics test that I was starting to think that it must be my CPU bringing me down because I cant think that the GTX770-OC is one struggling? I also thought it might be my old mobo holding me back (link below) , but if that's the case I would have to upgrade to LGA1150 anyway.

Also as far as I could deduct, Broadwell is still a while away from releasing? And I would really like to be able to play all the Q4 games (Dragon Age, Shadows of Mordor, Far Cry etc. ) without having to turn down the settings to drastically. So what do you think?

On a side note would you recommend me to buy RAM cooling if I were to get 2400-MHz RAM for OC'ing?

Thanks again for the quick responses.

My current mobo : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 25, 2014 7:21:44 AM

Anarchy023 said:
Wow. Thank you all for the quick replies. I've been loving this community everyday more and more since I discovered it.

I am now quite confused though.

I see my CPU is still listed as a tier 1 CPU, but I am really starting to see my pc struggle with new releases lately. My friend recently built himself a new pc (not really for heavy gaming) with a i5-4570 (I think) and I really average AMD GPU. Then we ran 3D Mark on both our PC's and his outperformed mine by so much in the physics test that I was starting to think that it must be my CPU bringing me down because I cant think that the GTX770-OC is one struggling? I also thought it might be my old mobo holding me back (link below) , but if that's the case I would have to upgrade to LGA1150 anyway.

Also as far as I could deduct, Broadwell is still a while away from releasing? And I would really like to be able to play all the Q4 games (Dragon Age, Shadows of Mordor, Far Cry etc. ) without having to turn down the settings to drastically. So what do you think?

On a side note would you recommend me to buy RAM cooling if I were to get 2400-MHz RAM for OC'ing?

Thanks again for the quick responses.

My current mobo : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I would trust more for real time gaming performance than benchmarks, run some game with FPS overlay and compare performance, also if your friends GPU is R9 290 or even 290x then YES his build should be faster than yours.
You have to be able to run all Q4 games with your current build, because i5 is a quad core and most coming games would require quad cores, Intel's i5's are great for gaming :) 
I wouldn't spend too much on fast RAM I would just get 1866/2133MHz RAM instead of 2400MHz RAM because there is not so big difference in performance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWgzA2C61z4
Overall if you dislike you CPU with new games you can whenever change your CPU without a problem :) 
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May 25, 2014 7:40:07 AM

Ok thank you all for the help. I really appreciate it.
I will digest all this new info and hopefully make up my mind shortly.

Have a great day :) 
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May 25, 2014 7:58:18 AM

Anarchy023 said:
Ok thank you all for the help. I really appreciate it.
I will digest all this new info and hopefully make up my mind shortly.

Have a great day :) 


You're welcome :) 
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May 25, 2014 9:51:32 AM

Ahmadjon said:
Nicolay Setre said:
With Amazon's price, the 4770k costs about 90$ more. In overall benchmarks and speccs the 4770k is approx 30% better than the 4670k, but when looking at the single core performance its only about 4-5% difference.

So if you are on a budget, i would recommend going with the 4670k and spend the 90$ you save on other components instead as the performance difference is quite small.

For the SSD i would recommend the "Samsung evo" series, they are robust, perform really well, realiable and comme at a good price.

Amazon price: Samsung 840 evo 120gb (read / write 520mb/s - 410mb/s) = 80.99$
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-EVO-Series-2-...

For the money you save from going with the 4670k, you could bet 2 of these and run them in Raid-0 and get 2x performance. :) 


Raid 0 for SSD's is pointless because there is not so big difference in performance http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,...
He can just get new SSD and enjoy with his current build until "Broadwell" comes :) 
His current CPU is in tier 1 CPU for gaming from Intel http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...




There is a fair difference in boot / shutdown time.
Little if, no difference in opening applications / software.
But a good difference in quality when recording higher than 1080p at f.eks 60fps, when doing 3D application workloads, rendering and loading screens for games etc.

And if you don't want / need the performance increase from Raid-0, then Raid-1 is also a good option for increased reliability, in case you SSD / HDD should fail.

I answered with going for the 4670k because the thread was posted as "i'm going to buy either (1) or (2), help me chose". Fully aware of the fact that upgrading to either of them won't give much of a perfomance increase.
And it would be better to save the 90$, and go for either a larger SSD, more SSD's, more RAM etc, depening on what type of workloads you are planning on throwing at your pc.

And for the RAM speeds, some people have been talking about earlier here. Game performance difference between f.eks 1600MHz ram vs 2400MHz is around 1-2 fps, unless you are using an APU, where RAM speed makes an insane difference.

If you do 3D animating or alot of video editing / rendering, then high ram speed is gold, along with a drive for the files you are working with.
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May 25, 2014 10:08:49 AM

Nicolay Setre said:
Ahmadjon said:
Nicolay Setre said:
With Amazon's price, the 4770k costs about 90$ more. In overall benchmarks and speccs the 4770k is approx 30% better than the 4670k, but when looking at the single core performance its only about 4-5% difference.

So if you are on a budget, i would recommend going with the 4670k and spend the 90$ you save on other components instead as the performance difference is quite small.

For the SSD i would recommend the "Samsung evo" series, they are robust, perform really well, realiable and comme at a good price.

Amazon price: Samsung 840 evo 120gb (read / write 520mb/s - 410mb/s) = 80.99$
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Electronics-EVO-Series-2-...

For the money you save from going with the 4670k, you could bet 2 of these and run them in Raid-0 and get 2x performance. :) 


Raid 0 for SSD's is pointless because there is not so big difference in performance http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-raid-benchmark,...
He can just get new SSD and enjoy with his current build until "Broadwell" comes :) 
His current CPU is in tier 1 CPU for gaming from Intel http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...




There is a fair difference in boot / shutdown time.
Little if, no difference in opening applications / software.
But a good difference in quality when recording higher than 1080p at f.eks 60fps, when doing 3D application workloads, rendering and loading screens for games etc.

And if you don't want / need the performance increase from Raid-0, then Raid-1 is also a good option for increased reliability, in case you SSD / HDD should fail.

I answered with going for the 4670k because the thread was posted as "i'm going to buy either (1) or (2), help me chose". Fully aware of the fact that upgrading to either of them won't give much of a perfomance increase.
And it would be better to save the 90$, and go for either a larger SSD, more SSD's, more RAM etc, depening on what type of workloads you are planning on throwing at your pc.

And for the RAM speeds, some people have been talking about earlier here. Game performance difference between f.eks 1600MHz ram vs 2400MHz is around 1-2 fps, unless you are using an APU, where RAM speed makes an insane difference.

If you do 3D animating or alot of video editing / rendering, then high ram speed is gold, along with a drive for the files you are working with.


If you take into consideration that my motherboard does not support SATA 6gbps or even DRR3-1600, would you still advise me to only buy the SSD and wait for Broadwell before upgrading CPU & Motherboard?

My current motherboard : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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