Gaming PC at 1920x1080(1080p) Max Settings 60FPS Minimum ANY GAME?
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NearWire
May 25, 2014 3:29:03 PM
I’m only interested in single monitor, 1920x1080 resolution, Max Settings, playing at 55 FPS minimum for ALL games with a budget of $1000 for the Motherboard, RAM, CPU & GPU(s).
Due to the nature of my needs I'm not interested in overclocking ANYTHING, unlocked CPU’s & bottlenecks of any kind (if possible)
The only foreseeable exception I see might be Crysis 3 which I can understandably set back anti-aliasing
What build would meet this?
Due to the nature of my needs I'm not interested in overclocking ANYTHING, unlocked CPU’s & bottlenecks of any kind (if possible)
The only foreseeable exception I see might be Crysis 3 which I can understandably set back anti-aliasing
What build would meet this?
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ingtar33
May 25, 2014 4:13:44 PM
glad you tossed in that crysis 3 exception... probably gonna have to toss watchdogs into that list too.
for 1k with no overclocking it's gonna be pretty hard to do what you ask... but i'll try. (overclocking helps get you "free" performance... and if built right will save you some money on your build... there are also games you simply can't max out without overclocking a bit)
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CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI H87M-E35 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($65.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $965.34
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for 1k with no overclocking it's gonna be pretty hard to do what you ask... but i'll try. (overclocking helps get you "free" performance... and if built right will save you some money on your build... there are also games you simply can't max out without overclocking a bit)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI H87M-E35 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($65.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $965.34
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NearWire
May 25, 2014 5:12:35 PM
ingtar33 said:
glad you tossed in that crysis 3 exception... probably gonna have to toss watchdogs into that list too. for 1k with no overclocking it's gonna be pretty hard to do what you ask... but i'll try. (overclocking helps get you "free" performance... and if built right will save you some money on your build... there are also games you simply can't max out without overclocking a bit)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI H87M-E35 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($65.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $965.34
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Just to confirm, this build should max out most games for 60fps with certain exceptions like Crysis 3?
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ingtar33
May 25, 2014 5:21:10 PM
NearWire said:
Just to confirm, this build should max out most games for 60fps with certain exceptions like Crysis 3? at 1080p? it should... the only exceptions would be games which need more clock speed... here is an alternative that should protect you a little bit from that; not sure if you'll suddenly be able to play more games, but this does have a higher base clock, which will help out a bit with some games. I'd give you an i7 if i could get it into the budget, but that's not really in the cards here.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI H97M-E35 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1031.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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NearWire
May 26, 2014 12:24:37 PM
ingtar33 said:
NearWire said:
Just to confirm, this build should max out most games for 60fps with certain exceptions like Crysis 3? at 1080p? it should... the only exceptions would be games which need more clock speed... here is an alternative that should protect you a little bit from that; not sure if you'll suddenly be able to play more games, but this does have a higher base clock, which will help out a bit with some games. I'd give you an i7 if i could get it into the budget, but that's not really in the cards here.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI H97M-E35 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($74.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1031.91
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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I shouldn't see any incompatibilities with this build, right? Will everything fit?
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ingtar33
May 26, 2014 12:43:46 PM
NearWire
May 26, 2014 2:06:59 PM
ingtar33 said:
nope. everything will fit. I didn't include a dvd drive because i can't remember the last time i used one. frankly, they're pretty much unnecessary.
Thank you very much for the quick answers. I have one last question, why did you choose the R9 290 over other cards around its price range? Like the Gtx 770 superclocked?
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ingtar33
May 26, 2014 2:23:22 PM
NearWire
May 27, 2014 3:33:05 PM
ingtar33 said:
the r9-290 is about as powerful as a Titan... and a little better then the 780... the 770 isn't in it's league. so it's an easy pickup.Will the processor have any crippling bottlenecks for the GPU that would significantly limit it?... I suppose I lied about that last question being the last question ;p, just very curious about how successful this build will be.
Also, regarding the R90, should I be worried about the heat?
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ingtar33
May 27, 2014 6:44:05 PM
two questions really...
1) about bottlenecks: you know i should copy and paste this cause this comes up a lot. something will ALWAYS bottleneck you. litterally. Your pc is only as fast as the slowest part of your machine. when you're gaming your cpu/gpu will pretty much trade places on which one is bottlenecking you, based upon the game. That said, your cpu might, from time to time, become an issue... this was why i said your request of a "no overclocking" build made this a tough challenge. There will be times, an overclockable i5 will get better frame rates in games. An overclockable i5 can hit 60fps in crysis3. That said, this build is about as good as it gets for a non-overclock build.
2) that r9-290 is not the "blower" style card that had all those heat issues. Since you aren't overclocking, and i built this computer with a solid, well ventilated case, no, you should not be worried about temps. temps in your system will be fine.
1) about bottlenecks: you know i should copy and paste this cause this comes up a lot. something will ALWAYS bottleneck you. litterally. Your pc is only as fast as the slowest part of your machine. when you're gaming your cpu/gpu will pretty much trade places on which one is bottlenecking you, based upon the game. That said, your cpu might, from time to time, become an issue... this was why i said your request of a "no overclocking" build made this a tough challenge. There will be times, an overclockable i5 will get better frame rates in games. An overclockable i5 can hit 60fps in crysis3. That said, this build is about as good as it gets for a non-overclock build.
2) that r9-290 is not the "blower" style card that had all those heat issues. Since you aren't overclocking, and i built this computer with a solid, well ventilated case, no, you should not be worried about temps. temps in your system will be fine.
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NearWire
May 27, 2014 7:02:44 PM
ingtar33 said:
two questions really... 1) about bottlenecks: you know i should copy and paste this cause this comes up a lot. something will ALWAYS bottleneck you. litterally. Your pc is only as fast as the slowest part of your machine. when you're gaming your cpu/gpu will pretty much trade places on which one is bottlenecking you, based upon the game. That said, your cpu might, from time to time, become an issue... this was why i said your request of a "no overclocking" build made this a tough challenge. There will be times, an overclockable i5 will get better frame rates in games. An overclockable i5 can hit 60fps in crysis3. That said, this build is about as good as it gets for a non-overclock build.
2) that r9-290 is not the "blower" style card that had all those heat issues. Since you aren't overclocking, and i built this computer with a solid, well ventilated case, no, you should not be worried about temps. temps in your system will be fine.
Alright, this piqued my curiosity long enough. What is an OC build that can achieve better results with the same budget? That can get 60fps 1080p ultra even on Crysis 3?
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ingtar33
May 27, 2014 7:14:54 PM
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.94 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3H 1.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.75 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X Video Card ($354.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1031.05
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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The sale on the excellent r9-290 Sapphire TriX helps make this build cost just about the same as your previous build. should be able to overclock the snot out of this build.
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.94 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3H 1.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.75 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X Video Card ($354.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1031.05
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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The sale on the excellent r9-290 Sapphire TriX helps make this build cost just about the same as your previous build. should be able to overclock the snot out of this build.
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Joseph DeGarmo
May 27, 2014 7:15:41 PM
Crysis 3 and Watch Dogs will rape CPUs. This would be a better setup for those types of games.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($304.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.94 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($75.60 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($326.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1080.44
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($304.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.94 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($89.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($75.60 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($326.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($47.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1080.44
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NearWire
May 29, 2014 2:11:18 PM
ingtar33 said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / BenchmarksCPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.94 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87M-D3H 1.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($96.75 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290 4GB Tri-X Video Card ($354.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1031.05
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-27 22:13 EDT-0400)
The sale on the excellent r9-290 Sapphire TriX helps make this build cost just about the same as your previous build. should be able to overclock the snot out of this build.
Once the graphics card is overclocked along with the processor, should the 650W PSU still suffice?
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ingtar33
May 30, 2014 6:10:01 PM
NearWire
June 2, 2014 8:48:29 AM
ingtar33 said:
it should be fine. that i5 shouldn't draw more then 160W no matter how overclocked, and the graphics card likely won't go much higher then 300W... so you should be good. How would one overclock the processor and video card? The reason why I included "no OC" was mainly because I didn't know how to do it.
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June 2, 2014 9:00:10 AM
ingtar33
June 2, 2014 3:20:42 PM
NearWire said:
ingtar33 said:
it should be fine. that i5 shouldn't draw more then 160W no matter how overclocked, and the graphics card likely won't go much higher then 300W... so you should be good. How would one overclock the processor and video card? The reason why I included "no OC" was mainly because I didn't know how to do it.
well, there are dozens of guides... but i can give you the quick and dirty. you likely will have to use this as a "starting point" and then read further to learn more. but here we go...
1) Overclocking a GPU: This is really easy, you'll use a program called MSI Afterburner and Kompresor (they come bundled together for free from the MSI webpage). there are two main settings to clock up, one is the gpu clock speed, the other is the vram clock speed. Both affect graphic performance. MSI Afterburner comes with little popup instructions and a bunch of info on line for how to use it. Basically you clock the gpu up, test it with kompressor, if it crashes your computer, or crashes the graphic driver it's obviously a poor overclock, and you dial it back. trial and error basically. Its almost imposible to damage something with MSI Afterburner, so play with it to your heat's content.
2) Overclocking the CPU: It is possible to damage something overclocking a cpu, it won't happen if you follow my instructions, but it can happen if you do something stupid, cause you'll be playing with stuff in the bios that can potentially damage your system if you play with them wrong. Understand this is a general guide, only meant to give you the basics of safely overclocking your cpu. if you want to learn how to press it to the limits safely, i suggest you read more detailed guides online
->download prime95
->download hwmonitor
->grab a notepad and write down everything you change
->you'll need an aftermarket cpu cooler, you'll notice my "overclocking" build has one included
->go into your bios (hit f1 when the computer is booting before you get to the windows logo... usually hitting f1 when the screen is still black will get you there)
->go to the advanced settings
->change the main setting from automatic to manual (most of the page under advanced in many bios out there will appeare grey'ed out until you change this to manual, then you will have access to almost everything)
->go to cpu multiplier, change the settings to manual, but leave them at their default
->change the power settings from automatic to manual, change vcore from automatic to manual
->turn off all POWERSAVINGS features. This is nessessary to help you test if your cpu is overclocked successfully and stable, as most powersaving features will unstabilize a system under a long stress test.
->now go back to your cpu multiplier. Bump it by +1. This will increase your clock speed by +100mhz, (clock speed is determaned by the cpu frequency * cpu multiplier) if you have the i5-4670k your base settings will be
cpu frequency: 100mhz (do not change this)
cpu multiplier: 34
so you'll increase the cpu multiplier by +1 = 35.
->now you'll save your settings and restart your pc, make sure it loads into windows without issue, restart the pc and load into the bios again; if it fails to start windows, or the computer fails to start up all together, skip down to "troubleshooting"
->now you'll bump the cpu multiplier another +1 = 36; save and boot into windows...
->keep bumping the cpu multiplier by +1 until the computer fails to load windows, loads windows but behaves clearly strangely, or fails to turn on at all.
Troubleshooting
->if your pc fails to turn on, and you cannot get into the bios, don't panic. this happens to everyone at some point in overclocking. many computers will fix this problem themselves, often all it takes is 3 failed boot attempts for the pc to reset its own bios to stock settings. If it fails to do this, you'll need to open your case and CLR_CMOS. your motherboard's instruction manual will tell you how to do this. This also has the effect of resetting your bios's settings to default settings. In which case you'll need to set your computer up to the last known good settings (this will mean your cpu multiplier will be -1 from the last attempt) in your bios, this will require you to change the power saving features back off, and turning things to manual. don't worry it's not as hard as it reads. it's pretty quick once you get used to it.
->if windows fails to load or behaves "wrong" (programs not loading or crashing, or the system seeming sluggish like it will crash at any moment) restart the computer and get into the bios, back the cpu multiplier down -1
-> now that we have a setting we know can run windows, you'll load into windows and start up HWMonitor. Then turn on Prime95, run a full prime burn with max heat and stress on the cpu and ram. Prime will crash, a cpu core will fail or your system will crash... don't worry we're expecting this, as we already know your system is at it's limits of stability. restart your computer, and go into your bios. Bump your vcore in a very small increment close to +0.01V (most bios will allow small bumps like this or even smaller; typically just hitting your arrow key on your keyboard will increase the vcore slightly, one bump of that key is all that's needed). Load back into windows and run prime95 again. Keep bumping your vcore in tiny increments and testing with prime95 until your system can run a good solid 8 hours on prime95 without overheating or crashing. Keep the vcore bumps small and be patient, playing with the vcore is the only part of this process that seriously runs the risk of damaging something, it might seem tedious, but this is really the only reliable way to keep this process safe for your computer hardware.
Congratulations you have a stable overclock!
Notes:
Max safe temps and voltages: Your max overclock is basically limited by the temps your cpu is running at. An Intel cpu shouldn't really run any hotter then 85C for a long period of time, though it is theoretically safe up to 95C... you'll have to use your own judgement for how hot is hot enough. My own belief is you don't overclock anything you can't afford to break... because you are running that risk no matter how careful you are. As a result i can be merciless on some of my eq, and at other times i really baby it. As for max voltage... generally most Haswell cpus overheat around 1.25V-1.3V on the vcore; some can take more voltage safely it depends on the chip, but i don't advise ever putting more then 1.4V into a haswell cpu unless you have a thousand dollar cooling setup. That hyper evo cpu cooler won't let you go much beyond 1.25V though, so it's not really a concern. Use HWMonitor to keep a sharp eye on temps, and don't hesitate to pull the plug on prime95 if temps get too hot, it just means though your system might be stable, your cpu cooler isn't good enough to handle that overlcock and you'll have to back both the multiplier and vcore down a bit and try again.
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June 6, 2014 3:48:31 PM
ingtar33 said:
NearWire said:
ingtar33 said:
it should be fine. that i5 shouldn't draw more then 160W no matter how overclocked, and the graphics card likely won't go much higher then 300W... so you should be good. How would one overclock the processor and video card? The reason why I included "no OC" was mainly because I didn't know how to do it.
well, there are dozens of guides... but i can give you the quick and dirty. you likely will have to use this as a "starting point" and then read further to learn more. but here we go...
1) Overclocking a GPU: This is really easy, you'll use a program called MSI Afterburner and Kompresor (they come bundled together for free from the MSI webpage). there are two main settings to clock up, one is the gpu clock speed, the other is the vram clock speed. Both affect graphic performance. MSI Afterburner comes with little popup instructions and a bunch of info on line for how to use it. Basically you clock the gpu up, test it with kompressor, if it crashes your computer, or crashes the graphic driver it's obviously a poor overclock, and you dial it back. trial and error basically. Its almost imposible to damage something with MSI Afterburner, so play with it to your heat's content.
2) Overclocking the CPU: It is possible to damage something overclocking a cpu, it won't happen if you follow my instructions, but it can happen if you do something stupid, cause you'll be playing with stuff in the bios that can potentially damage your system if you play with them wrong. Understand this is a general guide, only meant to give you the basics of safely overclocking your cpu. if you want to learn how to press it to the limits safely, i suggest you read more detailed guides online
->download prime95
->download hwmonitor
->grab a notepad and write down everything you change
->you'll need an aftermarket cpu cooler, you'll notice my "overclocking" build has one included
->go into your bios (hit f1 when the computer is booting before you get to the windows logo... usually hitting f1 when the screen is still black will get you there)
->go to the advanced settings
->change the main setting from automatic to manual (most of the page under advanced in many bios out there will appeare grey'ed out until you change this to manual, then you will have access to almost everything)
->go to cpu multiplier, change the settings to manual, but leave them at their default
->change the power settings from automatic to manual, change vcore from automatic to manual
->turn off all POWERSAVINGS features. This is nessessary to help you test if your cpu is overclocked successfully and stable, as most powersaving features will unstabilize a system under a long stress test.
->now go back to your cpu multiplier. Bump it by +1. This will increase your clock speed by +100mhz, (clock speed is determaned by the cpu frequency * cpu multiplier) if you have the i5-4670k your base settings will be
cpu frequency: 100mhz (do not change this)
cpu multiplier: 34
so you'll increase the cpu multiplier by +1 = 35.
->now you'll save your settings and restart your pc, make sure it loads into windows without issue, restart the pc and load into the bios again; if it fails to start windows, or the computer fails to start up all together, skip down to "troubleshooting"
->now you'll bump the cpu multiplier another +1 = 36; save and boot into windows...
->keep bumping the cpu multiplier by +1 until the computer fails to load windows, loads windows but behaves clearly strangely, or fails to turn on at all.
Troubleshooting
->if your pc fails to turn on, and you cannot get into the bios, don't panic. this happens to everyone at some point in overclocking. many computers will fix this problem themselves, often all it takes is 3 failed boot attempts for the pc to reset its own bios to stock settings. If it fails to do this, you'll need to open your case and CLR_CMOS. your motherboard's instruction manual will tell you how to do this. This also has the effect of resetting your bios's settings to default settings. In which case you'll need to set your computer up to the last known good settings (this will mean your cpu multiplier will be -1 from the last attempt) in your bios, this will require you to change the power saving features back off, and turning things to manual. don't worry it's not as hard as it reads. it's pretty quick once you get used to it.
->if windows fails to load or behaves "wrong" (programs not loading or crashing, or the system seeming sluggish like it will crash at any moment) restart the computer and get into the bios, back the cpu multiplier down -1
-> now that we have a setting we know can run windows, you'll load into windows and start up HWMonitor. Then turn on Prime95, run a full prime burn with max heat and stress on the cpu and ram. Prime will crash, a cpu core will fail or your system will crash... don't worry we're expecting this, as we already know your system is at it's limits of stability. restart your computer, and go into your bios. Bump your vcore in a very small increment close to +0.01V (most bios will allow small bumps like this or even smaller; typically just hitting your arrow key on your keyboard will increase the vcore slightly, one bump of that key is all that's needed). Load back into windows and run prime95 again. Keep bumping your vcore in tiny increments and testing with prime95 until your system can run a good solid 8 hours on prime95 without overheating or crashing. Keep the vcore bumps small and be patient, playing with the vcore is the only part of this process that seriously runs the risk of damaging something, it might seem tedious, but this is really the only reliable way to keep this process safe for your computer hardware.
Congratulations you have a stable overclock!
Notes:
Max safe temps and voltages: Your max overclock is basically limited by the temps your cpu is running at. An Intel cpu shouldn't really run any hotter then 85C for a long period of time, though it is theoretically safe up to 95C... you'll have to use your own judgement for how hot is hot enough. My own belief is you don't overclock anything you can't afford to break... because you are running that risk no matter how careful you are. As a result i can be merciless on some of my eq, and at other times i really baby it. As for max voltage... generally most Haswell cpus overheat around 1.25V-1.3V on the vcore; some can take more voltage safely it depends on the chip, but i don't advise ever putting more then 1.4V into a haswell cpu unless you have a thousand dollar cooling setup. That hyper evo cpu cooler won't let you go much beyond 1.25V though, so it's not really a concern. Use HWMonitor to keep a sharp eye on temps, and don't hesitate to pull the plug on prime95 if temps get too hot, it just means though your system might be stable, your cpu cooler isn't good enough to handle that overlcock and you'll have to back both the multiplier and vcore down a bit and try again.
Back onto the build, the Tri-x raised from $354.99 to $424.99. I do realize that it has significantly higher fps than the R9 290, but is it worth the price it is now? Or is it worth the extra 70$ because of the superior OC?
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ingtar33 said:
NearWire said:
ingtar33 said:
it should be fine. that i5 shouldn't draw more then 160W no matter how overclocked, and the graphics card likely won't go much higher then 300W... so you should be good. How would one overclock the processor and video card? The reason why I included "no OC" was mainly because I didn't know how to do it.
well, there are dozens of guides... but i can give you the quick and dirty. you likely will have to use this as a "starting point" and then read further to learn more. but here we go...
1) Overclocking a GPU: This is really easy, you'll use a program called MSI Afterburner and Kompresor (they come bundled together for free from the MSI webpage). there are two main settings to clock up, one is the gpu clock speed, the other is the vram clock speed. Both affect graphic performance. MSI Afterburner comes with little popup instructions and a bunch of info on line for how to use it. Basically you clock the gpu up, test it with kompressor, if it crashes your computer, or crashes the graphic driver it's obviously a poor overclock, and you dial it back. trial and error basically. Its almost imposible to damage something with MSI Afterburner, so play with it to your heat's content.
2) Overclocking the CPU: It is possible to damage something overclocking a cpu, it won't happen if you follow my instructions, but it can happen if you do something stupid, cause you'll be playing with stuff in the bios that can potentially damage your system if you play with them wrong. Understand this is a general guide, only meant to give you the basics of safely overclocking your cpu. if you want to learn how to press it to the limits safely, i suggest you read more detailed guides online
->download prime95
->download hwmonitor
->grab a notepad and write down everything you change
->you'll need an aftermarket cpu cooler, you'll notice my "overclocking" build has one included
->go into your bios (hit f1 when the computer is booting before you get to the windows logo... usually hitting f1 when the screen is still black will get you there)
->go to the advanced settings
->change the main setting from automatic to manual (most of the page under advanced in many bios out there will appeare grey'ed out until you change this to manual, then you will have access to almost everything)
->go to cpu multiplier, change the settings to manual, but leave them at their default
->change the power settings from automatic to manual, change vcore from automatic to manual
->turn off all POWERSAVINGS features. This is nessessary to help you test if your cpu is overclocked successfully and stable, as most powersaving features will unstabilize a system under a long stress test.
->now go back to your cpu multiplier. Bump it by +1. This will increase your clock speed by +100mhz, (clock speed is determaned by the cpu frequency * cpu multiplier) if you have the i5-4670k your base settings will be
cpu frequency: 100mhz (do not change this)
cpu multiplier: 34
so you'll increase the cpu multiplier by +1 = 35.
->now you'll save your settings and restart your pc, make sure it loads into windows without issue, restart the pc and load into the bios again; if it fails to start windows, or the computer fails to start up all together, skip down to "troubleshooting"
->now you'll bump the cpu multiplier another +1 = 36; save and boot into windows...
->keep bumping the cpu multiplier by +1 until the computer fails to load windows, loads windows but behaves clearly strangely, or fails to turn on at all.
Troubleshooting
->if your pc fails to turn on, and you cannot get into the bios, don't panic. this happens to everyone at some point in overclocking. many computers will fix this problem themselves, often all it takes is 3 failed boot attempts for the pc to reset its own bios to stock settings. If it fails to do this, you'll need to open your case and CLR_CMOS. your motherboard's instruction manual will tell you how to do this. This also has the effect of resetting your bios's settings to default settings. In which case you'll need to set your computer up to the last known good settings (this will mean your cpu multiplier will be -1 from the last attempt) in your bios, this will require you to change the power saving features back off, and turning things to manual. don't worry it's not as hard as it reads. it's pretty quick once you get used to it.
->if windows fails to load or behaves "wrong" (programs not loading or crashing, or the system seeming sluggish like it will crash at any moment) restart the computer and get into the bios, back the cpu multiplier down -1
-> now that we have a setting we know can run windows, you'll load into windows and start up HWMonitor. Then turn on Prime95, run a full prime burn with max heat and stress on the cpu and ram. Prime will crash, a cpu core will fail or your system will crash... don't worry we're expecting this, as we already know your system is at it's limits of stability. restart your computer, and go into your bios. Bump your vcore in a very small increment close to +0.01V (most bios will allow small bumps like this or even smaller; typically just hitting your arrow key on your keyboard will increase the vcore slightly, one bump of that key is all that's needed). Load back into windows and run prime95 again. Keep bumping your vcore in tiny increments and testing with prime95 until your system can run a good solid 8 hours on prime95 without overheating or crashing. Keep the vcore bumps small and be patient, playing with the vcore is the only part of this process that seriously runs the risk of damaging something, it might seem tedious, but this is really the only reliable way to keep this process safe for your computer hardware.
Congratulations you have a stable overclock!
Notes:
Max safe temps and voltages: Your max overclock is basically limited by the temps your cpu is running at. An Intel cpu shouldn't really run any hotter then 85C for a long period of time, though it is theoretically safe up to 95C... you'll have to use your own judgement for how hot is hot enough. My own belief is you don't overclock anything you can't afford to break... because you are running that risk no matter how careful you are. As a result i can be merciless on some of my eq, and at other times i really baby it. As for max voltage... generally most Haswell cpus overheat around 1.25V-1.3V on the vcore; some can take more voltage safely it depends on the chip, but i don't advise ever putting more then 1.4V into a haswell cpu unless you have a thousand dollar cooling setup. That hyper evo cpu cooler won't let you go much beyond 1.25V though, so it's not really a concern. Use HWMonitor to keep a sharp eye on temps, and don't hesitate to pull the plug on prime95 if temps get too hot, it just means though your system might be stable, your cpu cooler isn't good enough to handle that overlcock and you'll have to back both the multiplier and vcore down a bit and try again.
Back onto the build, the Tri-x raised from $354.99 to $424.99. I do realize that it has significantly higher fps than the R9 290, but is it worth the price it is now? Or is it worth the extra 70$ because of the superior OC?
A tri x is an r9 290 with a non reference cooler.
However I would get the gigabyte version right now that is at 379.99
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June 12, 2014 1:44:00 PM
djcm9819 said:
NearWire said:
ingtar33 said:
NearWire said:
ingtar33 said:
it should be fine. that i5 shouldn't draw more then 160W no matter how overclocked, and the graphics card likely won't go much higher then 300W... so you should be good. How would one overclock the processor and video card? The reason why I included "no OC" was mainly because I didn't know how to do it.
well, there are dozens of guides... but i can give you the quick and dirty. you likely will have to use this as a "starting point" and then read further to learn more. but here we go...
1) Overclocking a GPU: This is really easy, you'll use a program called MSI Afterburner and Kompresor (they come bundled together for free from the MSI webpage). there are two main settings to clock up, one is the gpu clock speed, the other is the vram clock speed. Both affect graphic performance. MSI Afterburner comes with little popup instructions and a bunch of info on line for how to use it. Basically you clock the gpu up, test it with kompressor, if it crashes your computer, or crashes the graphic driver it's obviously a poor overclock, and you dial it back. trial and error basically. Its almost imposible to damage something with MSI Afterburner, so play with it to your heat's content.
2) Overclocking the CPU: It is possible to damage something overclocking a cpu, it won't happen if you follow my instructions, but it can happen if you do something stupid, cause you'll be playing with stuff in the bios that can potentially damage your system if you play with them wrong. Understand this is a general guide, only meant to give you the basics of safely overclocking your cpu. if you want to learn how to press it to the limits safely, i suggest you read more detailed guides online
->download prime95
->download hwmonitor
->grab a notepad and write down everything you change
->you'll need an aftermarket cpu cooler, you'll notice my "overclocking" build has one included
->go into your bios (hit f1 when the computer is booting before you get to the windows logo... usually hitting f1 when the screen is still black will get you there)
->go to the advanced settings
->change the main setting from automatic to manual (most of the page under advanced in many bios out there will appeare grey'ed out until you change this to manual, then you will have access to almost everything)
->go to cpu multiplier, change the settings to manual, but leave them at their default
->change the power settings from automatic to manual, change vcore from automatic to manual
->turn off all POWERSAVINGS features. This is nessessary to help you test if your cpu is overclocked successfully and stable, as most powersaving features will unstabilize a system under a long stress test.
->now go back to your cpu multiplier. Bump it by +1. This will increase your clock speed by +100mhz, (clock speed is determaned by the cpu frequency * cpu multiplier) if you have the i5-4670k your base settings will be
cpu frequency: 100mhz (do not change this)
cpu multiplier: 34
so you'll increase the cpu multiplier by +1 = 35.
->now you'll save your settings and restart your pc, make sure it loads into windows without issue, restart the pc and load into the bios again; if it fails to start windows, or the computer fails to start up all together, skip down to "troubleshooting"
->now you'll bump the cpu multiplier another +1 = 36; save and boot into windows...
->keep bumping the cpu multiplier by +1 until the computer fails to load windows, loads windows but behaves clearly strangely, or fails to turn on at all.
Troubleshooting
->if your pc fails to turn on, and you cannot get into the bios, don't panic. this happens to everyone at some point in overclocking. many computers will fix this problem themselves, often all it takes is 3 failed boot attempts for the pc to reset its own bios to stock settings. If it fails to do this, you'll need to open your case and CLR_CMOS. your motherboard's instruction manual will tell you how to do this. This also has the effect of resetting your bios's settings to default settings. In which case you'll need to set your computer up to the last known good settings (this will mean your cpu multiplier will be -1 from the last attempt) in your bios, this will require you to change the power saving features back off, and turning things to manual. don't worry it's not as hard as it reads. it's pretty quick once you get used to it.
->if windows fails to load or behaves "wrong" (programs not loading or crashing, or the system seeming sluggish like it will crash at any moment) restart the computer and get into the bios, back the cpu multiplier down -1
-> now that we have a setting we know can run windows, you'll load into windows and start up HWMonitor. Then turn on Prime95, run a full prime burn with max heat and stress on the cpu and ram. Prime will crash, a cpu core will fail or your system will crash... don't worry we're expecting this, as we already know your system is at it's limits of stability. restart your computer, and go into your bios. Bump your vcore in a very small increment close to +0.01V (most bios will allow small bumps like this or even smaller; typically just hitting your arrow key on your keyboard will increase the vcore slightly, one bump of that key is all that's needed). Load back into windows and run prime95 again. Keep bumping your vcore in tiny increments and testing with prime95 until your system can run a good solid 8 hours on prime95 without overheating or crashing. Keep the vcore bumps small and be patient, playing with the vcore is the only part of this process that seriously runs the risk of damaging something, it might seem tedious, but this is really the only reliable way to keep this process safe for your computer hardware.
Congratulations you have a stable overclock!
Notes:
Max safe temps and voltages: Your max overclock is basically limited by the temps your cpu is running at. An Intel cpu shouldn't really run any hotter then 85C for a long period of time, though it is theoretically safe up to 95C... you'll have to use your own judgement for how hot is hot enough. My own belief is you don't overclock anything you can't afford to break... because you are running that risk no matter how careful you are. As a result i can be merciless on some of my eq, and at other times i really baby it. As for max voltage... generally most Haswell cpus overheat around 1.25V-1.3V on the vcore; some can take more voltage safely it depends on the chip, but i don't advise ever putting more then 1.4V into a haswell cpu unless you have a thousand dollar cooling setup. That hyper evo cpu cooler won't let you go much beyond 1.25V though, so it's not really a concern. Use HWMonitor to keep a sharp eye on temps, and don't hesitate to pull the plug on prime95 if temps get too hot, it just means though your system might be stable, your cpu cooler isn't good enough to handle that overlcock and you'll have to back both the multiplier and vcore down a bit and try again.
Back onto the build, the Tri-x raised from $354.99 to $424.99. I do realize that it has significantly higher fps than the R9 290, but is it worth the price it is now? Or is it worth the extra 70$ because of the superior OC?
A tri x is an r9 290 with a non reference cooler.
However I would get the gigabyte version right now that is at 379.99
This one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's 399.99 at this point in time
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June 12, 2014 2:46:26 PM
NearWire said:
djcm9819 said:
NearWire said:
ingtar33 said:
NearWire said:
ingtar33 said:
it should be fine. that i5 shouldn't draw more then 160W no matter how overclocked, and the graphics card likely won't go much higher then 300W... so you should be good. How would one overclock the processor and video card? The reason why I included "no OC" was mainly because I didn't know how to do it.
well, there are dozens of guides... but i can give you the quick and dirty. you likely will have to use this as a "starting point" and then read further to learn more. but here we go...
1) Overclocking a GPU: This is really easy, you'll use a program called MSI Afterburner and Kompresor (they come bundled together for free from the MSI webpage). there are two main settings to clock up, one is the gpu clock speed, the other is the vram clock speed. Both affect graphic performance. MSI Afterburner comes with little popup instructions and a bunch of info on line for how to use it. Basically you clock the gpu up, test it with kompressor, if it crashes your computer, or crashes the graphic driver it's obviously a poor overclock, and you dial it back. trial and error basically. Its almost imposible to damage something with MSI Afterburner, so play with it to your heat's content.
2) Overclocking the CPU: It is possible to damage something overclocking a cpu, it won't happen if you follow my instructions, but it can happen if you do something stupid, cause you'll be playing with stuff in the bios that can potentially damage your system if you play with them wrong. Understand this is a general guide, only meant to give you the basics of safely overclocking your cpu. if you want to learn how to press it to the limits safely, i suggest you read more detailed guides online
->download prime95
->download hwmonitor
->grab a notepad and write down everything you change
->you'll need an aftermarket cpu cooler, you'll notice my "overclocking" build has one included
->go into your bios (hit f1 when the computer is booting before you get to the windows logo... usually hitting f1 when the screen is still black will get you there)
->go to the advanced settings
->change the main setting from automatic to manual (most of the page under advanced in many bios out there will appeare grey'ed out until you change this to manual, then you will have access to almost everything)
->go to cpu multiplier, change the settings to manual, but leave them at their default
->change the power settings from automatic to manual, change vcore from automatic to manual
->turn off all POWERSAVINGS features. This is nessessary to help you test if your cpu is overclocked successfully and stable, as most powersaving features will unstabilize a system under a long stress test.
->now go back to your cpu multiplier. Bump it by +1. This will increase your clock speed by +100mhz, (clock speed is determaned by the cpu frequency * cpu multiplier) if you have the i5-4670k your base settings will be
cpu frequency: 100mhz (do not change this)
cpu multiplier: 34
so you'll increase the cpu multiplier by +1 = 35.
->now you'll save your settings and restart your pc, make sure it loads into windows without issue, restart the pc and load into the bios again; if it fails to start windows, or the computer fails to start up all together, skip down to "troubleshooting"
->now you'll bump the cpu multiplier another +1 = 36; save and boot into windows...
->keep bumping the cpu multiplier by +1 until the computer fails to load windows, loads windows but behaves clearly strangely, or fails to turn on at all.
Troubleshooting
->if your pc fails to turn on, and you cannot get into the bios, don't panic. this happens to everyone at some point in overclocking. many computers will fix this problem themselves, often all it takes is 3 failed boot attempts for the pc to reset its own bios to stock settings. If it fails to do this, you'll need to open your case and CLR_CMOS. your motherboard's instruction manual will tell you how to do this. This also has the effect of resetting your bios's settings to default settings. In which case you'll need to set your computer up to the last known good settings (this will mean your cpu multiplier will be -1 from the last attempt) in your bios, this will require you to change the power saving features back off, and turning things to manual. don't worry it's not as hard as it reads. it's pretty quick once you get used to it.
->if windows fails to load or behaves "wrong" (programs not loading or crashing, or the system seeming sluggish like it will crash at any moment) restart the computer and get into the bios, back the cpu multiplier down -1
-> now that we have a setting we know can run windows, you'll load into windows and start up HWMonitor. Then turn on Prime95, run a full prime burn with max heat and stress on the cpu and ram. Prime will crash, a cpu core will fail or your system will crash... don't worry we're expecting this, as we already know your system is at it's limits of stability. restart your computer, and go into your bios. Bump your vcore in a very small increment close to +0.01V (most bios will allow small bumps like this or even smaller; typically just hitting your arrow key on your keyboard will increase the vcore slightly, one bump of that key is all that's needed). Load back into windows and run prime95 again. Keep bumping your vcore in tiny increments and testing with prime95 until your system can run a good solid 8 hours on prime95 without overheating or crashing. Keep the vcore bumps small and be patient, playing with the vcore is the only part of this process that seriously runs the risk of damaging something, it might seem tedious, but this is really the only reliable way to keep this process safe for your computer hardware.
Congratulations you have a stable overclock!
Notes:
Max safe temps and voltages: Your max overclock is basically limited by the temps your cpu is running at. An Intel cpu shouldn't really run any hotter then 85C for a long period of time, though it is theoretically safe up to 95C... you'll have to use your own judgement for how hot is hot enough. My own belief is you don't overclock anything you can't afford to break... because you are running that risk no matter how careful you are. As a result i can be merciless on some of my eq, and at other times i really baby it. As for max voltage... generally most Haswell cpus overheat around 1.25V-1.3V on the vcore; some can take more voltage safely it depends on the chip, but i don't advise ever putting more then 1.4V into a haswell cpu unless you have a thousand dollar cooling setup. That hyper evo cpu cooler won't let you go much beyond 1.25V though, so it's not really a concern. Use HWMonitor to keep a sharp eye on temps, and don't hesitate to pull the plug on prime95 if temps get too hot, it just means though your system might be stable, your cpu cooler isn't good enough to handle that overlcock and you'll have to back both the multiplier and vcore down a bit and try again.
Back onto the build, the Tri-x raised from $354.99 to $424.99. I do realize that it has significantly higher fps than the R9 290, but is it worth the price it is now? Or is it worth the extra 70$ because of the superior OC?
A tri x is an r9 290 with a non reference cooler.
However I would get the gigabyte version right now that is at 379.99
This one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's 399.99 at this point in time
I would get the cheapens NON reference model you can find.(msi,gigabyte,asus, sapphire, powercolor, ect)
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-C ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($136.99 @ Mwave)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70.26 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($75.25 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($399.99 @ TigerDirect)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($96.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1190.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-12 21:50 EDT-0400
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-C ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($136.99 @ Mwave)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($70.26 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($75.25 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($399.99 @ TigerDirect)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($96.50 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($16.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1190.92
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djcm9819 said:
NearWire said:
djcm9819 said:
NearWire said:
ingtar33 said:
NearWire said:
ingtar33 said:
it should be fine. that i5 shouldn't draw more then 160W no matter how overclocked, and the graphics card likely won't go much higher then 300W... so you should be good. How would one overclock the processor and video card? The reason why I included "no OC" was mainly because I didn't know how to do it.
well, there are dozens of guides... but i can give you the quick and dirty. you likely will have to use this as a "starting point" and then read further to learn more. but here we go...
1) Overclocking a GPU: This is really easy, you'll use a program called MSI Afterburner and Kompresor (they come bundled together for free from the MSI webpage). there are two main settings to clock up, one is the gpu clock speed, the other is the vram clock speed. Both affect graphic performance. MSI Afterburner comes with little popup instructions and a bunch of info on line for how to use it. Basically you clock the gpu up, test it with kompressor, if it crashes your computer, or crashes the graphic driver it's obviously a poor overclock, and you dial it back. trial and error basically. Its almost imposible to damage something with MSI Afterburner, so play with it to your heat's content.
2) Overclocking the CPU: It is possible to damage something overclocking a cpu, it won't happen if you follow my instructions, but it can happen if you do something stupid, cause you'll be playing with stuff in the bios that can potentially damage your system if you play with them wrong. Understand this is a general guide, only meant to give you the basics of safely overclocking your cpu. if you want to learn how to press it to the limits safely, i suggest you read more detailed guides online
->download prime95
->download hwmonitor
->grab a notepad and write down everything you change
->you'll need an aftermarket cpu cooler, you'll notice my "overclocking" build has one included
->go into your bios (hit f1 when the computer is booting before you get to the windows logo... usually hitting f1 when the screen is still black will get you there)
->go to the advanced settings
->change the main setting from automatic to manual (most of the page under advanced in many bios out there will appeare grey'ed out until you change this to manual, then you will have access to almost everything)
->go to cpu multiplier, change the settings to manual, but leave them at their default
->change the power settings from automatic to manual, change vcore from automatic to manual
->turn off all POWERSAVINGS features. This is nessessary to help you test if your cpu is overclocked successfully and stable, as most powersaving features will unstabilize a system under a long stress test.
->now go back to your cpu multiplier. Bump it by +1. This will increase your clock speed by +100mhz, (clock speed is determaned by the cpu frequency * cpu multiplier) if you have the i5-4670k your base settings will be
cpu frequency: 100mhz (do not change this)
cpu multiplier: 34
so you'll increase the cpu multiplier by +1 = 35.
->now you'll save your settings and restart your pc, make sure it loads into windows without issue, restart the pc and load into the bios again; if it fails to start windows, or the computer fails to start up all together, skip down to "troubleshooting"
->now you'll bump the cpu multiplier another +1 = 36; save and boot into windows...
->keep bumping the cpu multiplier by +1 until the computer fails to load windows, loads windows but behaves clearly strangely, or fails to turn on at all.
Troubleshooting
->if your pc fails to turn on, and you cannot get into the bios, don't panic. this happens to everyone at some point in overclocking. many computers will fix this problem themselves, often all it takes is 3 failed boot attempts for the pc to reset its own bios to stock settings. If it fails to do this, you'll need to open your case and CLR_CMOS. your motherboard's instruction manual will tell you how to do this. This also has the effect of resetting your bios's settings to default settings. In which case you'll need to set your computer up to the last known good settings (this will mean your cpu multiplier will be -1 from the last attempt) in your bios, this will require you to change the power saving features back off, and turning things to manual. don't worry it's not as hard as it reads. it's pretty quick once you get used to it.
->if windows fails to load or behaves "wrong" (programs not loading or crashing, or the system seeming sluggish like it will crash at any moment) restart the computer and get into the bios, back the cpu multiplier down -1
-> now that we have a setting we know can run windows, you'll load into windows and start up HWMonitor. Then turn on Prime95, run a full prime burn with max heat and stress on the cpu and ram. Prime will crash, a cpu core will fail or your system will crash... don't worry we're expecting this, as we already know your system is at it's limits of stability. restart your computer, and go into your bios. Bump your vcore in a very small increment close to +0.01V (most bios will allow small bumps like this or even smaller; typically just hitting your arrow key on your keyboard will increase the vcore slightly, one bump of that key is all that's needed). Load back into windows and run prime95 again. Keep bumping your vcore in tiny increments and testing with prime95 until your system can run a good solid 8 hours on prime95 without overheating or crashing. Keep the vcore bumps small and be patient, playing with the vcore is the only part of this process that seriously runs the risk of damaging something, it might seem tedious, but this is really the only reliable way to keep this process safe for your computer hardware.
Congratulations you have a stable overclock!
Notes:
Max safe temps and voltages: Your max overclock is basically limited by the temps your cpu is running at. An Intel cpu shouldn't really run any hotter then 85C for a long period of time, though it is theoretically safe up to 95C... you'll have to use your own judgement for how hot is hot enough. My own belief is you don't overclock anything you can't afford to break... because you are running that risk no matter how careful you are. As a result i can be merciless on some of my eq, and at other times i really baby it. As for max voltage... generally most Haswell cpus overheat around 1.25V-1.3V on the vcore; some can take more voltage safely it depends on the chip, but i don't advise ever putting more then 1.4V into a haswell cpu unless you have a thousand dollar cooling setup. That hyper evo cpu cooler won't let you go much beyond 1.25V though, so it's not really a concern. Use HWMonitor to keep a sharp eye on temps, and don't hesitate to pull the plug on prime95 if temps get too hot, it just means though your system might be stable, your cpu cooler isn't good enough to handle that overlcock and you'll have to back both the multiplier and vcore down a bit and try again.
Back onto the build, the Tri-x raised from $354.99 to $424.99. I do realize that it has significantly higher fps than the R9 290, but is it worth the price it is now? Or is it worth the extra 70$ because of the superior OC?
A tri x is an r9 290 with a non reference cooler.
However I would get the gigabyte version right now that is at 379.99
This one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's 399.99 at this point in time
I would get the cheapens NON reference model you can find.(msi,gigabyte,asus, sapphire, powercolor, ect)
Should the Motherboard be up to par? It has mainly negative reviews attached to it
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