Huge upgrade, could use advice!

Lourentius

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Hello everyone. First of all, I'd like to thank this community for providing so much valuable information. It's been a huge help. This is my first post and I'm sorry I start out by asking for advice rather than helping others first, but I'm in a bit of a pickle.

Let me start off by saying I'm going to upgrade from this:

CPU: Core 2 Duo E4600
GPU: Geforce GT 440
I don't even have to mention the rest.

to the current "high-end" components. Can you imagine the boost I'd get? Haha. I'm definitely excited, to say the least.

As it seems, we're right in the middle of the newly released Haswell-R and Devil's Canyon. I was really looking forward to getting my hands on the i7-4790k which would last me the longest BUT.. it looks like it's being postponed to late September (if rumors are true) and I don't feel like waiting that long to be honest.

So, what I currently came up with is this (my budget is around $1900):

MB: MSI Z97-G45 Gaming
CPU: i7-4790 non-k
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper212 Evo
GPU: MSI N780 TF 3GD5/OC (GTX 780)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB DDR3-1866
PSU: Corsair RM850
SSD: Samsung 840 EVO
Case: NZXT Phantom 530
Extra fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 140mm

Total cost (converted from euros, I live in The Netherlands, different/higher prices): $1806.64

Comparing this to the builds in the "High-End Intel Gaming PC" thread, prices here are ridiculous. Sometimes dollars don't even get converted to euro's and simply stay the same number, resulting in a much higher price.


I've done (too) much research, which made this harder for me then it was supposed to be, but I'll give some explanation to certain choices:

MB: I still picked a z97 board even though I have a non-k CPU. This is due to the fact that it uses memory sticks of DDR3-1866 and higher (I know, it's not -that- much of a performance increase) and I'd probably want to SLI with a second GTX 780 when it can't keep up anymore.
CPU: I'm pretty sure this one will last me for a long time, even if I can't OC. The i5-4670k might be better when OC'd but besides gaming, I'm also a graphic designer and web designer/developer, so an i7 seems to suit my needs.
Memory: Cheap and good, simple as that.
PSU: It's overkill but I'm keeping SLI in mind with this one.
SSD: Pretty self explanatory.
Case: I've read it's a dust magnet but I fell in love with it so I don't care. Originally wanted the original Phantom but I figured I might as well get a newer/better version of it.

My questions are as followed:

- Do you guys think I made the right choices here?
- Would the i7-4790 be plenty for at least a few years to come and powerfull enough to use high-end GPU's when my GTX 780 starts to get outdated? (I'm purposely not using the word "future-proof" here, haha. It's hard to predict how CPU intensive games will become.)
- Would it be a better choice to simply go for a cheaper h97 board and PSU and replace the GPU with a better one at some point?
- Last but not least, would you still recommend me to wait for the i7-4790k?

Any other suggestions are more than welcome and I'm terribly sorry for presenting you this wall of text. It's just that it's been a while since I was able to afford something like this so I'd like to make the best possible choice within my budget (or at least one of the best).

PS: If I don't respond immediately, it's because I'm probably asleep (different timezone of course, 3:15am here). Nonetheless, I'd love some advice and I'll get back to you as soon as possible!
 

illuminatuz

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- Do you guys think I made the right choices here?

almost perfect..

- Would the i7-4790 be plenty for at least a few years to come and powerfull enough to use high-end GPU's when my GTX 780 starts to get outdated? (I'm purposely not using the word "future-proof" here, haha. It's hard to predict how CPU intensive games will become.)

yes but suggest you wait for haswell refresh.. just round the corner.. its supposed to run cooler than the current haswell.. and future proof.. *cough*i74790*cough*..

- Would it be a better choice to simply go for a cheaper h97 board and PSU and replace the GPU with a better one at some point?

No.. the next motherboards from intel are the 99 series.. and they support the DDR4 modules.. it will make sense if you can wait for a year, use your current hardware and it will be just great.. you will have even more future proof.. but remember it is almost a year..

- Last but not least, would you still recommend me to wait for the i7-4790k?

no.. and yes.. sincerely.. wait for haswell refresh.. you will not regret it.. :)

Any other suggestions are more than welcome

Nvidia: GTX 780, Titan
AMD : R9 290, 290X

Your only alternative is the R9 290x here for your nvidia.. both their performances are similar..

again for the nvidia vs amd account.

Nvidia : Lower Hardware, but better drivers

ATI/AMD : Better hardware, but bad drivers

however, if you can find the ati r9 290x at a lower price than the nvidia, just go for it..

The only + you will get with nvidia is physx.. and hardly a handfull of games use it.. and physx can be handled by your CPU.. that's good enough.. so nvidia is not a great option unless you get it at a lesser price than the ati..

you also get some good offers and games bundles with amd.. ;)

and mantle is like future.. not completely.. but yeah.. kind of a competition to the DX..

have you thought of a AMD build?? if it is for gaming and light video editing and all, suggest you go for FX series.. heat and power consumption will be high.. not low like the intel.. but yeah.. it will be cost effective and you can divert the funds towards GPU...

but AFAIK AMD has not revealed its plans for DDR4 yet..

and the AMD will happily run all the games you will need for the next couple of years..

My rig has been with me for quiet some time and my CPU is now running all the latest games.. 60 fps.. why?? games are GPU dependent.. not CPU dependent.. rarely games are CPU dependent.. GTA series, NFS, WatchDogs now.. that's about it..

for RAM, assuming you take DDR3, the 1333mhz will be just fine.. the higher mhz are useful for servers, high data transfers, photoshop and video editing, pro use.. etc etc.. so do not spend too much on the RAM.. games will hardly benefit out of it.. (~5 FPS)

and this will be a better PSU...

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-x850

or go for this if you can afford it..

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ss860xp2

PSU is pretty important as bad power supply will destroy your wonderful build.. especially if you are planning on a x-fire or sli.. stable power is something that's really really important..

just my bit.. else your current corsair is also just fine.. :)

if budget permits, get a UPS.. something like APC backup pro 1000 will work (there's a 1100 version, but that's crap..)

:)
 

Lourentius

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yes but suggest you wait for haswell refresh.. just round the corner.. its supposed to run cooler than the current haswell.. and future proof.. *cough*i74790*cough*..

The i7-4790 -is- the haswell refresh. The i7-4790k is Devil's Canyon which will be quite a bit better, just not sure if it's simply overkill to get that one. If I'm taking the i7-4790, it won't run as hot since it can't be OC'd. And I take it you think the i7-4790 will be plenty for years to come, even if I SLI in about.. 2 years from now?

No.. the next motherboards from intel are the 99 series.. and they support the DDR4 modules.. it will make sense if you can wait for a year, use your current hardware and it will be just great.. you will have even more future proof.. but remember it is almost a year..

I definitely won't be waiting another year with this rig, haha! I didn't use the word future proof because we don't know what to expect in 2+ years from now. So, my choices are either getting a cheaper h97 motherboard and psu with a smaller upgrade path or the z97 and a bigger PSU for a bigger upgrade path down the line (SLI).

Nvidia: GTX 780, Titan
AMD : R9 290, 290X

I feel the Titan is unnecessary with its extreme price. I've heard some good things about the R9 290. However, I'm planning to stick with Intel. I can't say I'm a fanboy but it just seems way more people are in favor for that because Intel has proven to be superior in most situations, albeit at higher prices.
you also get some good offers and games bundles with amd.. ;)
It seems I can get more games with AMD but with my GTX 780 I'll get Watch Dogs so I'm content with that.

and mantle is like future.. not completely.. but yeah.. kind of a competition to the DX..
DX12 will give quite the peformance boost as well, but Mantle will indeed be awesome for AMD gamers.

have you thought of a AMD build?? if it is for gaming and light video editing and all, suggest you go for FX series.. heat and power consumption will be high.. not low like the intel.. but yeah.. it will be cost effective and you can divert the funds towards GPU...
I appreciate the suggestion but I'm really set on an Intel build. I know AMD builds can be awesome as well, while spending less than on Intel but I just don't want to go that route.

My rig has been with me for quiet some time and my CPU is now running all the latest games.. 60 fps.. why?? games are GPU dependent.. not CPU dependent.. rarely games are CPU dependent.. GTA series, NFS, WatchDogs now.. that's about it..

Can't say I fully agree. Most games are mostly GPU dependant, yes, but there are plenty that are not. Think about MMORPG's which need all the CPU power they can take, the newest games coming out are asking for i7's (which is WAY more then needed but still, it suggests they'll at least be taking advantage of hyperthreading/more cores). Besides, you need the CPU muscle to power high-end videocards in SLI.

for RAM, assuming you take DDR3, the 1333mhz will be just fine.. the higher mhz are useful for servers, high data transfers, photoshop and video editing, pro use.. etc etc.. so do not spend too much on the RAM.. games will hardly benefit out of it.. (~5 FPS)

I've done lots and lots of research and it seems Haswell -likes- higher mhz. 1600mhz is still the standard nowadays but I can get 1866 for the same price. So I figured that's a no-brainer. Also, I use Photoshop daily.

and this will be a better PSU...

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-x850

or go for this if you can afford it..

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ss860xp2

PSU is pretty important as bad power supply will destroy your wonderful build.. especially if you are planning on a x-fire or sli.. stable power is something that's really really important..

The corsair I picked out seems reliable and quiet, just what I wanted. You're right in saying it's important, extremely important, to get a decent power supply. I was under the assumption Corsair makes excellent PSU's (except for their cheapest line). I thought the price was decent for a 850 watt Corsair.

Thank you for the detailed post and suggestions, I really appreciate it!
 

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The i7-4790 -is- the haswell refresh. The i7-4790k is Devil's Canyon which will be quite a bit better, just not sure if it's simply overkill to get that one. If I'm taking the i7-4790, it won't run as hot since it can't be OC'd. And I take it you think the i7-4790 will be plenty for years to come, even if I SLI in about.. 2 years from now?

yes.. you will be fine.. but by then, you MAY have to throw your existing GPU (which will be running good) and pick two GPUs then.. its because two same GPUs (2x r9 290 or 2xgtx790) will be it rather something that's compatible (sli a gtx 560 and gtx 780), the slower card will stop the faster card from performing better.. bottleneck.. and low FPS and performance.. that's one concern you should be worried about.. if you can find another GPU that's similar to the current one that you pick now (even same!!) it will be just perfect..

I definitely won't be waiting another year with this rig, haha! I didn't use the word future proof because we don't know what to expect in 2+ years from now. So, my choices are either getting a cheaper h97 motherboard and psu with a smaller upgrade path or the z97 and a bigger PSU for a bigger upgrade path down the line (SLI).

Nvidia: GTX 780, Titan
AMD : R9 290, 290X



I feel the Titan is unnecessary with its extreme price. I've heard some good things about the R9 290. However, I'm planning to stick with Intel. I can't say I'm a fanboy but it just seems way more people are in favor for that because Intel has proven to be superior in most situations, albeit at higher prices.


go with the z97 and a bigger PSU.. and I must say you are right with the Titan..

I appreciate the suggestion but I'm really set on an Intel build. I know AMD builds can be awesome as well, while spending less than on Intel but I just don't want to go that route.

Can't say I fully agree. Most games are mostly GPU dependant, yes, but there are plenty that are not. Think about MMORPG's which need all the CPU power they can take, the newest games coming out are asking for i7's (which is WAY more then needed but still, it suggests they'll at least be taking advantage of hyperthreading/more cores). Besides, you need the CPU muscle to power high-end videocards in SLI.


I've done lots and lots of research and it seems Haswell -likes- higher mhz. 1600mhz is still the standard nowadays but I can get 1866 for the same price. So I figured that's a no-brainer. Also, I use Photoshop daily.


with those two up.. and daily photoshopping.. yeah.. Intel makes more sense than AMD for you.. and pick whatever you get the cheapest.. :)

but photoshopping, maybe you have to think about the mhz a little bit there.. get the 1866 and you will be happy with photoshop also.. :)



and this will be a better PSU...

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-x850

or go for this if you can afford it..

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ss860xp2

PSU is pretty important as bad power supply will destroy your wonderful build.. especially if you are planning on a x-fire or sli.. stable power is something that's really really important..

The corsair I picked out seems reliable and quiet, just what I wanted. You're right in saying it's important, extremely important, to get a decent power supply. I was under the assumption Corsair makes excellent PSU's (except for their cheapest line). I thought the price was decent for a 850 watt Corsair.


the corsair CS & CX series are not that great.. good or great for medium and low end builds.. but not for high end..

the one you picked is good for a high end build.. no problems there.. just opening options for you.. :)

Thank you for the detailed post and suggestions, I really appreciate it![/quotemsg]

You are welcome.. :)