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May 28, 2014 11:44:19 AM

To start out.... I wasn't sure on the placement of this thread, as it's just asking advice on my upcoming build overall.

I've made a few posts even as far back as a month ago and I still haven't built it. I take forever to research everything and make sure it's perfect, but I THINK I've finally got a build that I'll be happy with.

CPU: AMD FX-6300 Vishera 3.5GHz 6-core
Graphics: MSI R7 265 OC Edition 2GB (With 2 free games)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G43 AM3+
RAM: (already ordered) HyperX Fury 4GB 1600
HDD: Already own a 1TB
SSD: (Already ordered) Adata Premier Pro SP900 64GB
PSU: EVGA 500 Watt PSU
Case: NZXT Source 210 (with window)

The current prices on Newegg add up to around $520ish but there's constantly deals. The RAM and the SSD were both $10 off when I ordered them.

I'm comfortable with this build, but if anyone has suggestions, please let me know.











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May 28, 2014 11:55:58 AM

What about power supply? What is budget with parts you still need, and list what components you do still need.
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May 28, 2014 11:59:51 AM

logainofhades said:
What about power supply? What is budget with parts you still need, and list what components you do still need.


Woops.. edited original post. The PSU was included in the price but I just forgot to list it.

Budget is $500. Parts I already ordered have that noted. If it doesn't say already ordered then that's what I don't yet have.
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May 28, 2014 12:01:21 PM

The price of the parts that I still need are around $425 currently.
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May 28, 2014 12:08:07 PM

This look about right?

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cFMsmG
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cFMsmG/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cFMsmG/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($117.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: MSI 970A-G43 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($32.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP900 64GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $480.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-28 15:07 EDT-0400)
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May 28, 2014 12:12:33 PM

I can no longer recommend any FX cpu because they are old and outdated at this point. This would be much better 80% of the time.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hpp66h
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hpp66h/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hpp66h/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($118.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.33 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($32.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP900 64GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($49.99 @ TigerDirect)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($154.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $486.26
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-28 15:11 EDT-0400)
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May 28, 2014 12:57:01 PM

CTurbo said:
I can no longer recommend any FX cpu because they are old and outdated at this point. This would be much better 80% of the time.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hpp66h
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hpp66h/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hpp66h/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($118.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.33 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($32.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP900 64GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($49.99 @ TigerDirect)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($154.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $486.26
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-28 15:11 EDT-0400)


I appreciate the suggestion but I think I want to stick with the fx 6300. :D 
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May 28, 2014 1:11:30 PM

Sticking with the FX 6300 is a bad idea. AM3+ is a dead socket with no real upgrade path.
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May 28, 2014 2:18:24 PM

I would think hard about an FX chip at this point. I own a 6300 myself. It is cost effective and the performance suits my needs for gaming and video editing, but long term your upgrade path will be limited to existing AMD products. This build will get you what you want right now but, it may not have a very bright future. Either way it is better to buy, build and enjoy rather than agonizing over component choices.
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May 30, 2014 12:29:50 PM

If I went with an intel processor I'd have to stick with an i3 because anything else would severely go over-budget.
I feel like an i3 would not give as good of a gaming experience as the 6300, as the 6300 provides much more overclocking capabilities.
Also, an equivalent motherboard but rather LGA 1150 and 1155 would be much more expensive.
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May 30, 2014 1:11:21 PM

You don't need an expensive motherboard with an i3 or locked i5. You need more expensive motherboard and aftermarket cooling for FX.
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May 30, 2014 1:37:21 PM

The i3's cores are SO MUCH stronger. Overclocking the FX is meaningless if it still doesn't even come close to matching the i3's single core performance even when at maximum overclock. And by that point you have already paid so much extra to be able to overclock. It's so not worth it.

Going with an i3 now allows for an awesome upgrade path whereas the FX is already on a old outdated/dead socket.
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May 30, 2014 1:47:53 PM

Another thing to consider when gaming is that the I3 single core performance is about 30% greater than the AMD. The AMD multi-thread performance is about 15% higher than the I3. For games that are out now and games released prior to now you are going to see the single core performance of the I3 will be a factor. For games released in the near future and beyond you will see more games that will take advantage of the multi-core performance increase from the AMD product.

In short for all game released before 2013 and many current titles the Intel will outperform the AMD product. However, in theory if developers embrace the multi-core evolution in gaming (which is likely to happen, modern consoles use 6-core AMD processors) then you will see AMD start to gain ground on intel performance wise and possibly exceed them.

BTW - My prior post still applies there is no viable upgrade path for the AM3+ socket. Waiting for future gains from a current generation AMD CPU might not be the best idea in a new build.
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May 30, 2014 1:59:14 PM

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Another thing to consider when gaming is that the I3 single core performance is about 30% greater than the AMD. The AMD multi-thread performance is about 15% higher than the I3. For games that are out now and games released prior to now you are going to see the single core performance of the I3 will be a factor. For games released in the near future and beyond you will see more games that will take advantage of the multi-core performance increase from the AMD product.

In short for all game released before 2013 and many current titles the Intel will outperform the AMD product. However, in theory if developers embrace the multi-core evolution in gaming (which is likely to happen, modern consoles use 6-core AMD processors) then you will see AMD start to gain ground on intel performance wise and possibly exceed them.


The Haswell i3s are 55-65% stronger in single core performance than the FX6300. The FX6300 is roughly 10-15% faster in multitasking.

The current consoles use 8 core AMDs but they are in no way related to the FX cpu line or with the PC market in general.

Even if all games start to utilize 8 threads more regularly, the FX lineup is already old now, and will only get older and further behind Intel so they will not be gaining any ground until they release a new viable product which currently they have no plans to do.


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BTW - My prior post still applies there is no viable upgrade path for the AM3+ socket. Waiting for future gains from a current generation AMD CPU might not be the best idea in a new build.


Exactly! :) 
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May 30, 2014 3:30:45 PM

I totally agree that the i3 is the way to go. It's got a bad rep because people assume it's low end and not worthy. But there are actually very few differences between an i3 and a similar i5. The i3-4150 would be a much better processor, and if you ever wanted to in the future, you could drop some money on an i7 or Xeon E3-1230 or something, using the same motherboard. CTurbo got you an i3 build that is a pretty low price, and it also includes the R9 270.

If you're an AMD fan, then go for the 6300. But if you are getting it just because you think it's a better option, you should think twice about it.
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June 2, 2014 12:07:00 PM

Thank you everyone! :)  I have my build finalized. I kept the graphics card to an r7 265 for price reasons. I'm not including any mail in rebates to the price because frankly my budget is my budget and I'm buying what I can with the money that I have to cover the full up front price. Mail in rebates are an after-sale type of thing, meaning I'd still need that full price to begin with which I don't.

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/aaroneugenee/saved/f2rmP6

Keep in mind I bought the RAM and the SSD when they were both $10 off, so I just barely made my budget. Now to just order everything else. :) 

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June 2, 2014 12:19:43 PM

4GB ram is cutting it. 1 GB for windows and windows likes 15% free on top of that. Recommend 8GB. Any speed over 1600 mhz is pointless if not an APU. If you ever have any extra money strongly recommend increasing RAM.
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June 2, 2014 1:13:52 PM

You made the right choice. You'll be happy you went with the i3.

whyso said:
4GB ram is cutting it. 1 GB for windows and windows likes 15% free on top of that. Recommend 8GB. Any speed over 1600 mhz is pointless if not an APU. If you ever have any extra money strongly recommend increasing RAM.

The good thing about that is that he can drop another 4GB of RAM in down the road when he has the money, and he can go ahead and take advantage of a working system until then. Honestly, if your goal is to have a $500 PC, 4GB isn't that bad. No matter what, he's not going to be maxing out his game settings anyway.
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June 2, 2014 1:25:16 PM

WoodenSaucer said:
You made the right choice. You'll be happy you went with the i3.

whyso said:
4GB ram is cutting it. 1 GB for windows and windows likes 15% free on top of that. Recommend 8GB. Any speed over 1600 mhz is pointless if not an APU. If you ever have any extra money strongly recommend increasing RAM.

The good thing about that is that he can drop another 4GB of RAM in down the road when he has the money, and he can go ahead and take advantage of a working system until then. Honestly, if your goal is to have a $500 PC, 4GB isn't that bad. No matter what, he's not going to be maxing out his game settings anyway.


I am aware. At the time the 1600 had a lower price than the 1333 mhz for some odd reason so I went with it. I can buy the same dimm in a few weeks when I have some more money. All's good :) 
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June 2, 2014 1:28:55 PM

Also, the 265 over the 270 wont be an issue. I come from strictly APU laptop gaming, getting 40FPS on the lowest settings of Skyrim. This R7 265 will feel like heaven to me, even at just 'high' settings. I'm not looking for the console killer, top of the line, every game on ultra 60FPS type of build.
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June 2, 2014 5:25:25 PM

I would still get a better psu. I would also either scrap the 64GB ssd, or upgrade it to 120GB.

What do you think of these changes for just a couple more $?

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6NqKcf
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6NqKcf/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6NqKcf/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($118.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-D2V Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.33 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($37.80 @ Newegg)
Storage: PNY XLR8 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($26.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $477.57
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-02 20:24 EDT-0400)

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June 2, 2014 6:06:27 PM

aaroneugenee said:

I am aware. At the time the 1600 had a lower price than the 1333 mhz for some odd reason so I went with it. I can buy the same dimm in a few weeks when I have some more money. All's good :) 


I think you'll be happy. You're working on getting a pretty good setup for $500 or less. Being able to add and upgrade different parts whenever you have more cash is the beautiful thing about building your own rig.
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