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firecharm2

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I'm am currently deciding between one of these two builds, they are both approximately 2,000$. I need help on which one to pick or if there is anything that could be changed to make of them better. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Also, you won't see a case in either of these builds because I have an empty ATX case that I plan on using.

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CPU:  AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor  ($189.99 @ Newegg) 
CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($29.98 @ OutletPC) 
Motherboard:  Asus M5A99FX PRO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard  ($119.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory:  G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory  ($83.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage:  Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($79.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($54.43 @ OutletPC) 
Video Card:  MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($629.99 @ Newegg) 
Video Card:  MSI GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (2-Way SLI)  ($629.99 @ Newegg) 
Power Supply:  SeaSonic X Series 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($154.99 @ Newegg) 
Optical Drive:  Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer  ($16.98 @ OutletPC) 
Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit)  ($129.98 @ OutletPC) 
Total: $2107.30
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-29 12:03 EDT-0400)



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CPU:  Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($324.98 @ SuperBiiz) 
CPU Cooler:  Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler  ($69.99 @ NCIX US) 
Motherboard:  Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard  ($219.99 @ Newegg) 
Memory:  G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory  ($189.99 @ Newegg) 
Storage:  Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($139.99 @ Best Buy) 
Storage:  Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($105.99 @ NCIX US) 
Video Card:  EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Superclocked ACX Video Card  ($679.99 @ NCIX US) 
Power Supply:  EVGA SuperNOVA 1000G2 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($149.99 @ Newegg) 
Optical Drive:  LG WH16NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer  ($59.98 @ OutletPC) 
Operating System:  Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro (OEM) (64-bit)  ($142.98 @ Newegg) 
Total: $2068.87
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-29 12:00 EDT-0400)
 
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I just don't see an AMD build above the $850 price point. As tot he Intel Build:

CPU - Do you have any apps that use hyperthreading ? If not the 4670k will save $100 and ya might lose 3-5% in gaming.

Cooler - Noc is a great cooler but it is outperformed by the Phanteks PH-TC14-PE which is a lot better looking.

MoBo - Use the compare function on newegg site and you will find that the MSI Z97 GD-65 and Asus Hero are a virtual match feature for feature and the GD-65 is $40 cheaper. The reviews on the Z87 GD65 were absolutely glowing and the Z97 is the same board with the new chip. The current Hero, and many other Asus Z87 boards have been plagued by the BIOS Clock Freeeze bug. I had been using Asus boards from the $250 price point...
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Here is a good build inside your budget

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CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($324.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($30.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($219.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290 4GB DirectCU II Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290 4GB DirectCU II Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($399.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($184.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $2054.29
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-05-29 12:36 EDT-0400)
 
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I just don't see an AMD build above the $850 price point. As tot he Intel Build:

CPU - Do you have any apps that use hyperthreading ? If not the 4670k will save $100 and ya might lose 3-5% in gaming.

Cooler - Noc is a great cooler but it is outperformed by the Phanteks PH-TC14-PE which is a lot better looking.

MoBo - Use the compare function on newegg site and you will find that the MSI Z97 GD-65 and Asus Hero are a virtual match feature for feature and the GD-65 is $40 cheaper. The reviews on the Z87 GD65 were absolutely glowing and the Z97 is the same board with the new chip. The current Hero, and many other Asus Z87 boards have been plagued by the BIOS Clock Freeeze bug. I had been using Asus boards from the $250 price point and up and the MSI boards below that simply from a value / component / performance perspective.

My personal M6F is so afflicted and have two users I am trying to help with Hero builds, whereas none of the MSI builds I have been involved with have had as much of a hiccup.

At one point Asus had come up with a fix but it's temporary only. I have had to apply "the fix' several times over the last 3 days including this morning. Not a big deal replacing / clearing the BIOS but replicating the OC settings for 8 different OC profiles is a real PITA.

Asus is working on the problem. So far I have no indication whether or not the problem is appearing on the Z97, but until we know one way or another or until a fix is out, I would hold off on any Asus 1150 based builds.

The Fix that wasn't a fix
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?36676-Frozen-Time-Clock-in-UEFI-The-Fix

The issue on the Hero
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?33895-Hero-Time-Clock-Problem

RAM - 1866 and 2133 is oft the same price or even cheaper than 1600. The 2400s are a bit better and can means as much as a 10% performance improvement. Is it worth it ? Well even if it's 2-3%, since it increases system cost by just 1.5% I would go for it.

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Why not get the best 780 Ti on the market (Other than the Classified) ? And get it for $80 cheaper at $600
9.9 rating - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_Ti_Gaming/29.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127770
9.5 rating - http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_780_Ti_SC_ACX_Cooler/31.html

Was gonna suggest using an HX850 with twin OC'd 780s..... get it while ya can ....was $119 few days ago .... but now back up to $149.

I'd hesitate to put all that stuff in an old ATX case .... make sure what ya have can provide all that goes along with a current build in the way of SSD mounts, air flow, etc

 
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The build is almost entirely for gaming, I don't do any video editing but I do work with autcad quite a bit. I am also currently using one monitor but will soon be adding a second and third.
 
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Well then the 4770k will perhaps get you 3 - 6% advantage in gaming.

In AutoCAD The WHIPTHREAD variable controls the way how AutoCAD uses the mutliple processors (or cores) for display operations.

0 - use only a single processor (as A2000)
1 - regen done on multiple CPUs
2 - redraw done on multiple CPUs
3 - both regens and redraws done on multiple CPUs

I don't notice much of a difference but use the 3 setting. More and faster RAM does have an impact, worth the $30 for the Mushkin 2400s.

Of curse storage subsystem is very important as AutoCAD simply insists on doing disk writes no matter how much RAM ya have. I use the Seagate SSHDs for that .... program sits on SSD, storage files on SSHD.
 
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firecharm2

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I'm not sure where I would put the one hundred dollars saved from getting the 4670k. Spending the 100 on the better processor seems like the best choice for overall system performance. Also, the memory I picked out is 2133 with CAS 9, but the mushkin redline 2400 is CAS 10, well the extra speed and higher CAS be worth the 30$?
 
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