all the games stutters with 30 : 50 fps and feels like 20 fps (i5\7850)

Well there is some ways we can look at it, but let's do some basics first to make sure nothing is in the way with any solutions we try to provide

Download and run SPECCY, copy and paste the first tab to show your computer specs and idle temp

Remove whatever AV your using and go to www.filehippo.com and download AVAST! or AVG and do a full system scan - this repeatedly has resolved alot of people issue relying on MS Essentials and Norton tends to get in the way of alot of programs it seems.
Download Malwarebytes do a full system scan (AV doesn't pick up alot of malware) - this resolved almost ALL other similiar posts to date as most had Malware the AV didn't pick up.
Repeat the AV/Malware scans till the system comes up clean.

Did you install all Windows Updates? Including options except BING? Check them and repeat till ALL are installed.
Download and run Slim Drivers, install all the latest updates but you don't need to reboot until you do the last update
Download MSI Afterburner and write down the FPS you do actually get IN GAME (it will display at the top) .

Let us know the results of all these steps, 90% of the time just these steps along resolves ALL the issues.


Lastly test both Single Player and Multiplayer, do you get similar results or different?
Try a different game, does the 'same' sort of results happen in SP vs MP?
Which games are we talking BTW?
What graphic settings are you using?
What happens when you drop down one level?

Other issues that could be considered could be RAM buffering to hard drive, Virtual Memory settings, processor scheduling, or other software issues. Also, what resolution are you running at?

Another option could be that your video drivers may be corrupt. Reinstalling those shouldn't be too hard to do.

Just some thoughts......

As I mentioned what happens when you throttle the graphics back? Your system is 'ok' and your getting what your system is able to "do" considering the titles your playing at. For example BF4 your only going to get with that video card 20-30s even if teamed with a i7 when your on Ultra settings http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page3.html http://www.bf4blog.com/battlefield-4-retail-gpu-cpu-benchmarks/ and WatchDog is even more demanding.

Yes upgrading from i3 to i5 (even if it is the old 3xxx chipset) is a improvement, but will it double your FPS, absolutely NO. Will you see a increase in FPS, YES but not double. Honestly if you want to have over 60FPS on 2013 and forward titles, you need a i7 Haswell or i7 3xxx teamed with at LEAST a AMD R9 or NVidia 760. You could go 660 even, but really you want the serious FPS for these titles on HIGH or ULTRA settings, you will never get it with your hardware.

Hi again. When the game FPS drops, it will 'lag' effect as your saying, because the FPS drops. The FPS (higher better) created the illusion of smoother and smoother movements, but when it drops you brain is thinking it is 'lagging'. What we are trying to narrow down is first, is there a issue and how would the issue be caused, what are the common suspects, and what can we 'manage'.

Now the reason I said 60FPS or higher is that is the normal 'smooth no lag' game play level that would 'synch' with your 60Hz display cleanly without the need for VSynch to force the synchronization between Video Card and Monitor. This would 'limit' the FPS you 'could achieve' and be the most common first suspect to look at, turning it off.

The next was to see what your 'hardware' is capable of, and your video card is way below the 'ability' to play these modern titles. POINT BLANK: YOU NEED TO REPLACE THE GPU if you want higher performance.

The immediate recommendations on 'throttle the graphics back' isn't about screen 'size'. In fact if you decrease the screen size but keep the graphic on HIGH, you actually CAUSE problems. I would settle your screen at 1080p (1920x1080), BUT drop the graphics down to Medium then LOW. THEN look to reducing screen size one size at a time.

Your saying you playing "Bf4 High", as I noted, your card isn't capable for that, even if it tries it will score (see the numbers in the links) 20s-30s, which even if your drop the graphics down and the screen size to 'increase FPS' your going to hit a point that yeah your getting FPS but your looking at serious crap on the screen and hampered by not a large enough display to see 'the entire field' as all the other people playing against you.

So again back to the recommendation, it is time to upgrade to a new video card (R9, 760 or even a 660) if you want to play current (2013) and new titles especially on HIGH graphice. You will NOT be capable to hit ULTRAs and WatchDog plainly demands, you would also need to invest in a i7 system instead of a i5 if you want to crank that high.

Hi again,

First I would get a new screen, that is very crappy low end display for modern gaming, and will impact performance (affect your FPS) if you play too 'low' setting, just to let you know.

Second, as mentioned before upgrading from i3 (only 2 cores) to i5 (4 cores) for a game like BF4 is a improvement because BF4 does alot of stuff 'not graphics' that relies on more 'cores' as possible. If the computer is stuck 'thinking' about that stuff (does a knife stabbing a brick wall do as much damage as a AK4 round?) then nothing else can get 'done' while it is thinking (processing) and then your affected with lag, freezes, etc.

Third, as for "feels like", there is no hardware/software solution to help you 'feel' the game perform better. If your perception is that, then only your perception can be changed to make you 'understand' how it is playing against whatever 'gauge' it is your trying to weigh it against (trying to compare it to your console experience??). I did suggest (see above) installing MSI Afterburner with my other steps, so you can constantly 'see' your FPS as you play and actually KNOW what FPS you ARE getting, especially when " feels like 25FPS".

You answered back alot of 'I did all that' sort of response, and didn't actually follow the steps I outlined to try (for example ESET is good AV, but no AV looks for Malware, and often overlooks it so removing Malwarebytes and not still manually scanning could mean something IS actually hosing up the system when "feels like 25FPS"). All the steps I outlined are to present 'facts' not 'ranges' and 'guesses' or "I KNOW IT IS..." which is always fallable.

I would suggest you do all the steps (not remove ESET of course) and make sure you and I can point to real numbers as you 'test things out' with me, so we can either change your perception, or point to where a real TECHNICAL issue is that we can either fix, or you know you need to spend money to change the issue (as noted your going to get sucky performance on anything above LOW *equally crappy* graphics with that video card) nothing will change that

MSI Afterburner is in your tray, you would need to click on it and go through setting up the OSD for each listed item you want to display. But your using FRAPS (you didn't mentioned that before) so that should assist. Just uninstall MSI Afterburner, personally I seen better performance with MSI then FRAPS (less impact).

Questions:

Did you do a FULL scan, but default it only a 'QUICK' scan. Please make sure you do a full scan, just to be on the safe side, but GREAT! that it came up clean, at least nothing is holding it back!

Did you install all Windows Updates? Including options except BING? Check them and repeat till ALL are installed.

Did you download and run Slim Drivers, install all the latest updates but you don't need to reboot until you do the last update

Did you test both Single Player and Multiplayer, do you get similar results or different when playing SP vs MP (looking to see if it is your machine or your connection, there are subtle things that can affect MP but not SP)?

When your "bf4 on low , play it with 55+fps...feels like 25fps" does FRAPS show it is 55FPS at the time? Is there a particular map, sequence of events, etc. that is happening to make you "feels like 25fps". I WILL tell you that if someone does a Heli RocketPod at you, pretty much anything less then a modern gaming rig will have this happen, or say multiple Mortar strike also can do that (since your on such a low end GPU),



DVI to VGA: This is taking a highspeed highway and forcing it onto a two way side street, and is a potential problem with the low end monitor, especially if the response time is very high. In case your not aware, monitors have refresh display ratings, usually listed in Milliseconds, where it demonstrates how 'long' it takes to 'ask' the GPU for the next image to display. OLD CRTs (VGA displays) had refreshes in the 40+ms range, which was terrible with modern systems which need responses in the 'teens' to single digits. What occurs is the GPU maybe pumping out '55FPS+' but when it goes to talk to the monitor the monitor is like Hold on....... Hold on..... Hold.... hold.... hold... hooooooooolllddd.. OKAY now give me the next 'screen', but by that time 30 other screens were 'dropped' in the process (feels like 25fps).

As I don't know the specifics of what monitor you do have, but does seem lower end (VGA only and 1280*960 screen limit) I would suggest for $70 the http://www.walmart.com/ip/Dell-DEL17LCD/20976837 for example, which is a 1280 x 1024 17" Widescreen 8 ms response time and this unit comes with a VGA and a DVI video inputs (but would verify this) according to one 'Q&A' response. This would then create a fast pathway (no matter video card) that is all digital (VGA is analog signals and one big 'lag' area) signal via DVI, with a very decent response time (my monitor and other gamer screens are 2-3ms, while your office/school monitor is around 15ms) for very little cost.



With the exception of the above questions finding another issue, the results still come down to hardware replacement, both the monitor and the GPU if you wish improved performance.

SlimDrivers scans all your drivers, including many you don't "update" or may have updated but still didn't update every driver necessary (i.e. update the Video, but not the PCI-Express connection driver that connects Video to the Mobo). I have found many drivers not getting updated and this has worked real well (and free) to ensure every driver is up to date.

What do you mean "7 and 8.1" ???? Are you trying to Dual Boot? Are you talking two different computers? Which one has the games installed to it (you can only install the games under ONE OS, unless you buy TWO copies for TWO licenses).

Yeah trash the CRT, won't do, and the LCD was still VGA (analog) connection which would still cause that issue I identified (not using DVI to DVI).

As both SP and MP perform the same then yes it is still relative to just your PC.

Please don't "tl;dr" my posts, I am trying to be thorough and clear in my responses, skipping because it is "tl" is only making me repeat portions I ALREADY POSTED.

tl;dr = too long didn't read



UGHHS! Okay stop. If you upgraded then downgraded then upgraded and downgraded "many times through past year' your system is all FUBAR and I would tell you to stop right now and start with a wiped clean and fresh install of windows and stick to that ONE version. If you just WIPED the drive then install Windows 7 or 8.1 cleanly, then your fine.



As I said it is a serious impact, your taking digital (DVI) signal, converting it to analog (VGA) and expecting no impact, not to include the low performance of a CRT!!!



Actually if your pushing 60 or more fps, your pushing more frames per second then the CRT handles, so when the CRT says 'hold hold hold' and the GPU 'drops frames' because more are coming in, you don't see the effect because your getting more frames then the CRT can handle and fills in, though you will see tearing on the screen. Think of it another way, if you need only 60 apples, but your get 100 poured onto your arms, you drop 40 of them, do you still have 60 that you need? Yes, same with the CRT, while it 'drops' the rest, it still gets the amount it needs to make it "damn smooth like the things I see on the internet". Now when your dropping FPS then you notice the 'feel like 25fps' because your screen isn't getting enough or fast enough to grab even the 'dropped' frames.

FYI the "damn smooth like the things I see on the internet" are because (as I said) they are using better GPU and monitor then yourself. your issues are only resolvable at this point with both hardware replacements.