Closed source UBUNTU 'App Grid' package manager

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Gents: Running U_12.04 and considering U_14.04.

Website OMG-Ubuntu introduces APP-GRID, Cannonicals new closed source replacement for Ubuntu Software Center. Whatever that is/was.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/05/appgrid-ubuntu-software-centre-alternative

Excluding automagic, I've used near-nothing besides Synaptic-Package-Manager to snatch Ubuntu software downloads, but I guess the lack of a selling opportunity is too much for Cannonical to bare. You have to //click// an 'I agree not to share'(?) button before APP-GRID works.

Caught my attention, like a finger writing on-the-wall ... and all that ...

 
should not matter linux is an open free os an that was its cornerstone but theres so much now with 8t being closed that it may as well just go microsofts way if theres a program that i cant use and improve on or remove or ferrly do as i want then its not linux the thing that find funny is all the programs that you go to lok at to use now have price tags on them .. WHAT?? linux is dieing off and thts a ashame .. lok at the mail client ,- orical- that sure anit open sorce and if i rember right it cant be removed and thats not linux
 

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I respect BOTH explicit meanings of free ... free as in beer ... & free as in speech.

But, also I look ahead anticipating tools I will likely use months or years in the future. For example I am about to purchase a 1.5" forster bit, big enough to create dowling holes for binding two large wood surfaces. Likewise my last computer purchase included a 3.4Ghz XEON +1-T enterprise HDD components , rejecting SSD as under-developed.

Simply stated I try to work with robust systems ... no surprises, no novelty, no regrets! So I am concerned with following Ubuntu memes. Note: I give them 99-gold-stars for (following RedHat) making swampy UNIX snake-pits into a pleasant userland meadow. That's really really important. Yet now ... IMVHO Cannonical is treading a path which can only end with its splitting-off from the classic Linux community. APP-GRID is just another step down that road , and I'd prefer to find another path before the complete split occurs. Any casual linux lusr will have similar concerns.



 
I'm sure that you have some point to make but I'm afraid that your command of the English language is so poor that I have no idea what it is. Try taking some basic English lessons and learn how to use punctuation and capitalization and express your ideas clearly. Come back and post again when you have done so.
 

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Tested top tenth-of-one-percent palsy. What(ever) I write IS correct grammar. Open your eyes and learn, admitting you are simply dulled to byteboi Ebonics.



 
I was referring to the illiterate post preceeding yours. Sorry, you must have posted whilst I was composing my reply.

Your posts are literate, albeit somewhat nonsensical at times.

(E.g. - what on earth does "byteboi Ebonics" mean? It's not English as I know it.)
 

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Please accept my apology for a rude statement.



 

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app grid is a alternative to ubuntu softrare center.
with ununtu software center you search for a program and click install it will calculate and install all dependencies automaticaly.app grid is the same thing the only diffrence canonical does not whant everyone poking with it.
canonical is not locking down the operating system they are making a optimized program and do not want anyone to copy it or start redistributing it as there own.they will eventualy get in trouble if they do something like that.
 

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All of which performs what tasks ... in addition to those performed by synaptic package manager? Why do you need it?

To provide access to pay-for software is all I can imagine. Now THAT might be a reason to make APP-GRID non-open. Has a cheezy taste to it and I don't mean Romano. I feel it would be appropriate if all UBUNTU users sent Cannonical a check for $25-$100 just because they have EARNED it! Then suchlike APP-GRID foolishness would never start.



 

JOHNN93

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not everyone knows what synaptic manager is and in most recent ubuntu distributions you will not find it installed out of the box.someone who does not know linux wont go installing from source or opening synaptics pakage manager and start making changes.if everyone knew how to use linux they whould be using the shell.
ubuntu software center and "closed source" app grip is nothing more than a "google play" market on ubuntu.
where downloading and purchasing a app is one click away.now if some apps are "closed source" and you need to pay for them then good for the developers.if everything is free then nearly no one will go making program for linux.
and linux will not rise from the ashes.a developer will more likely make a program when he knows that he will be payed or why else bother ?

 

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One could write software for the ame reason as a genteman breeds horses ... for the perfection of the breed! I mean ... not everybody is a $$$.grubbing huckster or dirt-poor peon. Even the classic Internet-enabled Win.World (1997-2003) produced high quality "shareware".

My gawd does Ubuntu really keep SPM out-of the default download? I simply upgraded from U_10.04 --> 12.04 and never noticed, but simply continued to use SPM as needed.

Anyrate w/o false modesty I consider myself one of the least/last/lowest tek-buffed posters on THW_Linux forum. How is it that I consider Synaptic-Package-Manager the default tool and use it casually with success? Because I started with U_6.06 while most current Ubuntu users are 11-yo pre-teens? Surely ... surely you jest!





 

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Open source does not guarantee that the software is free (as in freedom/libre/go read the FSF website). Linux happens to be libre, but whether that is a cornerstone of Linux is debatable. If we consider only the GNU toolchain then yes, its cornerstone is software freedom. Linux the kernel is libre because Linus thinks it will be developed into better software that way. However, Linus does not care about software freedom.
 

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He chooses to use the the word **free**. Do we really need a 'homoousion' type debate on meaning? I believe it's OKey to quote Linus original OS post:
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To: Newsgroups: comp.os.inix Subject: What would you like to see most in minix? Summary: small poll for my new operating system Message-ID: <mailto: 1991Aug25.205708.9541@klaava.Helsinki.Fi

Hello everybody out there using minix — I’m doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won’t be big and professional like gnu) for 386 (486) AT clones. This has been brewing since april, and is starting to get ready. I’d like any feedback on things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat (same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical reasons) among other things). I’ve currently ported bash (1.08) and gcc (1.40), and things seem to work. This implies that I’ll get something practical within a few months, and I’d like to know what features most people would want. Any suggestions are welcome, but I won’t promise I’ll implement them :). Linus (mailto: torvalds@klaava.helsinki.fi) PS. Yes — it’s free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs. It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that’s all I have :-(.
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http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html

Pretty sure stallman only considers those distros to be free.
 

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Beg pardon my dear Ms AMDgurl:

Obscure, ineffective versions of EVERYTHING is just part of the human condition ... nothing new there. And Stallman surely is no innocent ... tho rant as virgin-Queen-Mary he may. Ever wondered about his security clearance level ?? He has been nested by MIT for the last umpteen years ... and NOBODY does the military/industrial/closed-source complex as well or as closely as MIT!

Yes, I will take a chocolate mint with that espresso ....