New computer, or do I upgrade?

jbell2825

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I am wondering if I should upgrade my current PC or just give my current ones to the kids and by a brand new system.

I am not at home so the information I have might be too little to make an informed decision. I currently have a Phenom II quad core 2.4g, mother board unknown, 8gb of DDR2 ram, a 600w power supply, and a 560gtx 2gb GPU.

It currently runs games well enough for me. I like great graphics but I dont have to have the absolute best. However there are several games coming out in the next year that have me feeling the need to upgrade. Games include Witcher 3, Star citizen, and a few others.

Should I just upgrade my current system? Can you tell with the current info if that will do any good. Or should I just bite the bullet and start from scratch. The current set-up is kind of a Frankenstein monster. I bought the original system over 5 yeas ago, I think. Its had a major repair and some home made upgrades.

Any advice would greatly be appreciated.
 
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As with all things it depends on what games you want to play, and what operating system you're using. In windows it's fairly even, under linux Nvidia have better overall performance although AMD have better 'open source' driver support. Both companies get involved in supporting development of certain games, games supported by AMD tend to run better on their cards and vice versa with Nvidia.

Nvidia have a reputation for being a little easier to work with in terms of driver support...

jaraldo

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First off, we'd need to know a budget on how much you want to spend

From what you've said though, I think it's in your best interest to save up and wait for those games to actually come out. It will also give you more options and newer/better parts will be available then.

If you are fine with it right now, then just hold tight. An upgrade really wouldn't benefit your computer because the cost per performance is usually not as good buying old parts as it is buying new.
 


It depends on you're motherboard. If that Phenom II is only 2.4 ghz then you can probably upgrade that (Phenom II goes all the way up to 6 cores at 3.4ghz if you can find one...).

The memory should be fine for now, however a faster graphics card would be worth it.

What I often do is upgrade in stages, so maybe look at a new graphics card now, then when you have more money get a new motherboard + CPU.
 

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If I upgrade I would like to stay around $2000, and that would have to include OS, monitor, mouse, keyboard, blah blah. I don't know if this is the right question to ask, but does there come a point when its easier to start fresh rather than upgrading individual parts? Is there a point when it becomes cost effective to start new?

If I keep the current system, it sounds like a need a CPU, mother board, and GPU? Based off of the limited info I have for you guys, what would be the most cost effective/performance enhancing upgrade?

If I chose to keep the system as is (is it that bad?) what would be ideas for a new system in $2000 range. Preference for Nvidia (just what I am used to).
 

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With your current build, the only thing you would be able to salvage would be the case and HDD. With $2000 you should be able to get a new, great gaming system.
 


For $2000, no issue! You can get a really good machine for half that, so with a monitor et al should have plenty of room to get a really nice system put together.
 

RazerZ

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Here's a sample build of what 2k can get you.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($228.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($148.99 @ Mac Mall)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($203.29 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 290X 4GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($494.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($249.23 @ Amazon)
Total: $1807.37
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-03 15:30 EDT-0400)
 

RazerZ

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That's a good idea. I'll update the build.
 

jbell2825

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Help me with Nvidia vs AMD cards. Is it all just personal preference. How does the 290x compare with a 780ti? Do certain games work better with certain cards? Heat? Noise? Im not a hard core gamer, would I even be able to tell the difference?
 


As with all things it depends on what games you want to play, and what operating system you're using. In windows it's fairly even, under linux Nvidia have better overall performance although AMD have better 'open source' driver support. Both companies get involved in supporting development of certain games, games supported by AMD tend to run better on their cards and vice versa with Nvidia.

Nvidia have a reputation for being a little easier to work with in terms of driver support, although AMD have been making improvements lately in that regard, and I've never really had that much issue with AMD drivers so I think it can tend to be exaggerated somewhat (people get so tribal about graphics cards, it always baffles me).

The comparison of the 290X and 780ti is tricky- at lower resolutions the 780ti is faster (e.g. 1080p or 1440p) however as the resolution increases the 290X holds on to more of it's performance than the 780ti and ends up ahead (mainly because it has a wider memory bus and also a larger frame buffer, both of which help at high resolutions). Note that at the lower resolutions both cards should max out pretty much any game at high frame rates. On that basis I think you'll find the 290X is going to age better than the 780ti although they're both great cards.

The reference model 290X should be avoided (the design AMD released themselves) as they used a truly dreadful cooler that was loud and didn't keep the temps low enough. Thankfully there are loads of 290X cards with custom coolers on them and they are fine. There were no issues with the reference 780ti.

There are also some 'extras' that each company's cards offer depending on what you prefer:
Nvidia offer 'PhysX' physics acceleration that is a nice extra in games that support it (adds some nice detail effects like more accurate cloth simulation, more particles from explosions and such although it isn't that widely supported). They also have things like game streaming to their 'project shield' handheld console if that floats your boat.

On the AMD side, they have added 'true audio' which allows the graphics card to process special audio effects. It looks like a great tech although not many games currently support it (the new Thief is the first, more are coming but not out yet). There is also 'Mantle' which boost the performance of AMD cards in certain games (battlefield 4 is a good example).

Personally I own both Nvidia and AMD graphics cards and I have found both work very well. My personal recommendation is get the best card you can for the money- currently in the high end cards I'd take the 290X as its a very powerful card and it's better suited to high resolution 4k screens (which are already coming down in price). That said if you really prefer Nvidia then a 780ti is a great card as well.

PS sorry for the wall of text, also RazerZ's build looks good to me- you shouldn't go far wrong with a rig like that (pretty much as powerful as you can get at the moment :))
 
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