High-end gaming PC to last - unsure about parts

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PCPartPicker link: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2nJF4D


Approximate Purchase Date: some time within the next month

Budget Range: not a concern, but I do want a good performance-per-dollar. A $2000 system should be fine, I'd expect.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, internet

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: New build, though I am reusing some old parts from a build back in 2008. You can see in the PCPartPicker link which are already purchased. I am open to upgrading some parts instead of reusing, should there be a good reason to do so. I'll list the parts I'm reusing here for convenience:
- Antec 900 case (note GPU size limitations!)
- Acer 23" G235H
- PC P&C Silencer Mk III 750W ATX Power Supply
- Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
All other parts are being "upgraded"

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I've only ever used newegg. To keep it simple, I'd like to use the same site for hardware that may need to be returned. I do like the 30-day return policy.

Location: Clearwater, FL

Parts Preferences: Been out of the market for a while, but from talking to friends on Steam that make computers, I'm strongly leaning toward an Intel CPU and Asus Motherboard. Also, based on this May 2014 TH review on GPUs, I'm leaning toward a Radeon for performance-per dollar, with an eye toward upgrading later.

Overclocking: NO

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe, if I find a good deal later on an identical card before it's retired and it's a better option than upgrading to a different 1-GPU config.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: I don't care how it looks - the blander the better (if I could get rid of this Antec 900 window, I would). I'd like it quiet, if possible. Definitely not a vacuum cleaner :)

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: The top PCI-e slot in my old EVGA 780i board is fried. I've tried a couple ebay parts, with no success. Just want to start over now.

My own comments:
My goal is to make a PC that will last with GPU upgrades for several years. Please see the PCPartPicker link here.

While I have no intent of overclocking, I don't mind paying extra for an OC mobo if it has something you think I should want in the next several years.

I'm really stuck on the motherboard... there are so many options! I know I'm limited to LGA 1150 with the CPU, but beyond that there are multiple chipsets - Z77, Z87, Z97. No clue what makes them different. And even if I pick a chipset, multiple options still lie beyond. I feel like this decision was much easier back in 2008, because now I see fewer slots on mobos and I'm not sure if I'll miss them later.
- What are the primary benefits to choosing chipset Z97 over Z87, or Z87 over Z77?
- I've looked at some Asus charts, hoping to narrow my options. All it did was confuse me more. Please look at these two links: Asus Z87 Specs and Asus Z97 Specs. Can someone narrow down what I need to concern myself with?
- Bear in mind the last time I looked at mobos was 2008. I'm not even sure what kind of slot the nVidia 8800 used back when I was running it. What are all the different PCI slots? What are they primarily used for? (well I guess the long ones are for GPUs, but the rest?) What should I look for in a mobo?
- I guess AGP is totally dead now... think it was on its dying breath back in '08.
- I've noticed some slots will say x16 (x8 dual) or something similar. Can someone explain that?
- I'm not sure what kind of new technology is being whispered about. I've heard something about Thunderbolt? Should I be concerned with how many PCI slots my motherboard has for things like this in the future?
- SATA 3.0G/s vs 6.0G/s... am I missing something? I don't see the point. What kind of drive puts out those speeds to begin with? I didn't even think SSD was that fast.

I figure the motherboard is a big decision, so I'm looking for as much advice as possible. I'd rather not have to change it in the future.

Regarding the other parts...
- CPU: Figured I'd grab the i7-4770K since I'm not too worried about budgetary concerns. Does anyone feel it's a waste? Maybe just grab the i5-4570? I'm looking at this TH CPU breakdown.
- RAM: I see people saying I don't need more than 8GB. I'm thinking about just grabbing 16GB and forgetting about it for a while. Better than worrying about compatibility later. Thoughts?
- RAM: What about RAM speed? Is there a significant difference? I vaguely recall matching RAM speed to the mobo's native speed back in 2008... is that a concern?
- GPU: the 290X won't fit in my Antec 900, I presume. A whopping 16 inches?! I thought when I got the Antec 900 several years back I'd be using it still in a decade (sigh). But the 290 should fit, I'll just have to remove a fan from one of the hard drive bays. I'd appreciate any feedback from Antec 900 users about this.
- GPU: I had to RMA two nVidia cards from my older computer. Turns out the second one fried the mobo's PCIE slot. I'm trying to avoid nVidia this go-around, unless someone really convinces me. Could have just been EVGA though, I dunno.
- CPU cooler: think it'll be good enough? 5yo Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro.

- And any other recommendations, I'm open to discuss.
 
Solution
First off, man you write a lot. (aka didnt read everything)
If you want a good pc that will last you a while and not concerned about price but dont want to overspend for what you are doing, then this is what I would get.

CPU: Intel i5 4670k (dont need i7 unless streaming/editing/recording...)
Mobo: ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO/SABERTOOTH (high quality mobo with good bios/features)
RAM: I prefer Corsair Vengeance Pro Series 16GB (really anything you want thats 1600MHz/1866Mhz)
PSU: I use Corsair AX series because its fully modular and I can make my pc look really clean (+ corsair fan)
SSD: Samsung 840pro 256GB
Case: If you like simple and clean and quiet I would use Fractal Design R4 (sound dampening foam/looks simple)

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First off, man you write a lot. (aka didnt read everything)
If you want a good pc that will last you a while and not concerned about price but dont want to overspend for what you are doing, then this is what I would get.

CPU: Intel i5 4670k (dont need i7 unless streaming/editing/recording...)
Mobo: ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO/SABERTOOTH (high quality mobo with good bios/features)
RAM: I prefer Corsair Vengeance Pro Series 16GB (really anything you want thats 1600MHz/1866Mhz)
PSU: I use Corsair AX series because its fully modular and I can make my pc look really clean (+ corsair fan)
SSD: Samsung 840pro 256GB
Case: If you like simple and clean and quiet I would use Fractal Design R4 (sound dampening foam/looks simple)
 
Solution
The i5 is just as good as i7 in a gaming build. You can stick with the i7 if you want to further futureproof if you want.

Added in some RAM because I didn't see any ram. You can take it out if you already have some.

Added CM 212 evo because with an overclockable chip, you'll need a cooler when you decide to overclock and the 212 evo is a very good cooler for its price.

The ASRock z97 extreme4 has great features for its price. Its overclocking abilities are up there as well.

Changed the SSD to a lower amount of space because there isn't a need for 250gb of space because its just going to serve as a booting drive for the most part. If you throw a game on there it should still have enough space for it.

You probably can go with a lower priced R9 290 if you want like the XFX DD edition card, but you're preference I'll leave it there.

I changed it to windows 8.1 non OEM because 8.1 is better, just UI differences that you'll get use to. If you want windows 7 go for it. But The 8.1 here isn't OEM meaning if anything happens to your hard drive/ssd, you can at least still reinstall it.

And i think that's all i changed.


PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Q8gYLk
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Q8gYLk/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Q8gYLk/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.78 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($152.13 @ Newegg)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 290 4GB DirectCU II Video Card ($436.13 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1236.99
 

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