Low fps in games with 8350 and r9 290

jkteddy77

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While in many games, even my favorite, BF3 and BF4 (yes, even BF3...) I am droppping under 60, when I shouldn't be.

I got cpu to 4.4ghz, latest 14.4 stable drivers clean installed
Temps: cpu 52C max, GPU 75C max
GPU clock never drops usage 50-99%
CPU clock never drops usage never reaches 100% usage on any core. all cores run in many games, still see the low fps.

Basically, my GPU usage is dropping, and I get low fps as a result. my CPU usage goes up a bit when it drops, and this is especially true in BF3/BF4's in game graphs:
Heres some clips of mine...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaVKMNL-aS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq9dSLOElX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcTPLMuQ610

Heres what I've tried:
-unparked cores (even though I'm on 8.1)
-updated bios
-reinstalled drivers
-OC has no power options on, stable, Very little performance gain
-freshly reinstalled windows

Yet, I get this for score:
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/2805535? (bit old and 8350 is stock here)
also
50 in Unigine Heaven Extreme, 55 in Valley extreme HD
And I can run Metro Last Light Very High + 2x SSAA on at 50-70fps...
and Crysis 3 at 50-70 on very high and fxaa

But then I get into sleeping dogs, or BF3/BF4 or Far cry 3, and my fps is just horrible. The fact that BF3 can't run over 60 scares me... what is the issue here?

Nothing is defective, but the 8350 still isn't performing like everyone says it should...
I reinstalled windows to a brand new HDD like 3 days ago, fresh 8.1, drivers 14.4 chipset and graphics, and BF4 only, and it ran the exact same...

I have tried everything, and spent probably 300+ hours of my life on this, so any ideas are appreciated, my specs are in my signature.

P.S. Friend also has 8350/r9 290 with these same issues...
 


Are you sure your CPU isn't throttling because it is overheating? I see you have your 212 EVO, but what are your temps getting to in Battefield 4?
 

jkteddy77

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18-20C idle, 52C max. Cocket temp is 40C idle, and 52C max... lI've had it up all day, that's as high as it ever reaches. Could my MOBO VRM be getting too hot? I have a quality board, and 9 case fans, don't know why that would be... Any other ideas?
 

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Did you disable core c6 and those things I your motherboard? Also power management and that stuff, I had a fx 6300 oc to 4.6ghz and I was getting G better frames than you with a 660.

If you want to know of its your cpu bottlenecking, lower MESH quality to low and if fps boost it's your cpu.
 

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yes I know, I lowered mesh quality to medium and it gave me 10fps.. only setting that does... why is the game not liking my cpu?

I disabled EVERY power features but APM, which I left auto.
 

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10fps? that is not right, play everything on low and then set mesh quality to ultra, measure fps, then to high, measure fps, and so on till you hti low, you should see at least 40+ fps difference.
 

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Nope, EVERYHTING low gives me 10-20 more fps than ALL Ultra... see the issue here?
 


The FX-8350 is not that bad of a CPU. I can see it bottlenecking the R9 290, but not to the point of 10 FPS. But try overclocking and tell us the results.
 

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In BF3 and BF4 you get this 30-50fps performance? you sure that's not just because that is what the 7950 is supposed to get?

Keep in mind, my card is almost 2x as powerful as yours...
 

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I got the cpu to 4.4ghz, didn't help in the slightest. I think there is a software error somewhere, the gpu usage should NOT be dropping with a full on 8350, as I've talked to many running theirs stock that son't have this issue with their 290's.
 

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BF4 is just buggy as hell. If you can run Crysis 3 fine it's not your CPU. I get dips into the 30s with my overclocked i5 3570k and hd7950. Just depends on map to map. Oddly enough I get a constant 60fps basically on Operation Locker even on 64man conquest 1080p ultra, I get a decent fps boost by turning off the msaa
 

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yes, but keep in mind... I'm not using a 7950 man... my 290 is almost 2x as powerful, and I have met many that say I should never go under 50, even 60fps on ultra... and on mantle, I don't...

How come BF3 is running 30-70 then... you have to agree, that is VERY abnormal...
 

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Do you think it could possibly be a defective GPU? I don't know much on the technical side of GPUs or how to test them tbh, but yeah that's abnormal. I believe your r9 290 is equal to the gtx 780 from what I've read.

BF3 should certainly be getting better FPS than that. You have a pretty good motherboard, among the best for AMD so I doubt it's that. There have been many people coming here over time crying their CPU was being throttled but it ended up being a cheap sucky motherboard with no VRM heatsinks and a bad power phase, but that's not yours, yours is fine.


Hmmm.....does your CPU throttle at all if you use Prime 95? Just for the sake of it, check the health and performance ratings of your HDD using HDD Sentinel (free program)
 

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Let me run this through you
I get 708 in Cinibench R15, more than normal for a n 8350
I get 55fps in Unigine Valley, and 50 in Unigine Heaven, which is 1fps more than review sites I find paired with 8350's
I get this in 3Dmark:
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3206228?
which puts me in the top 30% of people with this combination...

and I get 50-75 in Metro Last Light Very High with 2x SSAA in game... so, GPU is NOT defective ,and CPU is benchmarking perfectly, and the pair together are communicationg great too....

So it HAS to be software based somewhere. Somwthing is not liking DX11 in BF3 and BF4.
I have tried a second HDD with a fresh install of windows 8.1, drivers, origin, and BF3/BF4... that's it... same low fps...


 
After watching each video, I'm thinking, off those videos you posted, they're pretty normal. There will always be frames drops. I've had frames drops too when I'm looking toward stuff. I'd assume its cause of all the calculations and what not that the CPU/GPU would have to do. Sure it doesn't utilize the CPU and GPU 100%, but I'm not sure if it will utilize it 100%. I know with Battlefield 4 when I play, the cpu isn't 100% utilized, but my graphics card is more utilized than my CPU.

If you look at benchmarks, they're generally an average of frames taken over a period of time. The ones I relooked at from Anandtech, Tom's hardware, and what not, only show the average frames. I didn't see any that said the minimum frame reported. I found on bit-tech they put in the minimum frames, which your dx11 fps fits right into, granted that it is story mode compared to multiplayer.

When you stared at the sky, I'm thinking that there wasn't much to render other than just the sky, some clouds and the two planes flying around. Basically it's pretty bare and very easy for your graphics card to handle, thus the 130fps+ you were getting. The moment you looked down, you had more of the HUD on your screen, with all the arrows and stuff. And I'd assume they'd have more geometry being put into the scene, thus the more dramatic drop to 70fps. With the smoke rising up, the frames tanked another 10fps or so, down to ~60fps.

With battlefield 3, I think it's the same story. The drops are all related to where you're looking. They drop when you stare toward the field where most people are shooting each other, while it's relatively good when you're looking at somewhere less chaotic.

Of course, I could be wrong and it's actually something wrong with your system. But they look normal to me.

My suggestion: Just play with vsync on. If you have a 60Hz monitor, it's not gonna make a huge difference, cause the monitor won't go over 60fps anyways.

Again, I could be completely wrong. And this is just my thoughts so, take it as you will.
 

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The whole usage thing, the fps being higher when looking in the sky or ground... That's spot on, you're right there.

But when I look over those low fps areas... I should only be dropping to 55-70 at the lowest... not dropping to the high 30's and 40's, and it should NOT stay that low... the fact that mantle gives me such a large fps boost, and fixes the low fps drops in those areas, is a sign of a bottleneck somewhere... when really there shouldn't be...


Something's up, I just don't know what could be causing this behavior ONLY in these games, when others NEVER get drops this low on the same hardware setup as me.
 

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I dunno man, like I said even I have fps problems in BF4, I gave up since nobody could really give me an answer either, I was really mad since I partly built my good pc to be able to max out bf4 and I expected better fps and not these dips too with such a good cpu.

I've seen people on youtube on BF4 beat my fps with an i3 4130 and a worse gpu the gtx regular 660 on 64man conquest. I've even seen the fx6300 paired with a gtx 760 (pretty much on par with my gpu) get the same and better fps as me.


The reason I think it might be your gpu is because there were people here before posted videos of their fx8320 and 8350 paired with a gtx 780 which is on par with your GPU and they got way better fps than me in bf4 multiplayer on 1080p all maxed out. They literally never dropped below 60 IIRC and usually stayed above that. I had to turn off MSAA and I STILL get bad fps dips.


It made me mad on BF4 when my fps was in the 20s on Guilin Peaks the china rising dlc map in the jungle. I also have the stable 14.4 AMD drivers.

I know this might not be what you wanted, but, I'm in the same boat as you pretty much. Have you tried using Mantle and seeing how much of an FPS boost that would give you in BF4? Although it wouldn't work in bf3. I pretty much get a constant 60fps in bf3, it always feels extremely smooth. My issue was only bf4.

That truly is odd you get such fps dips in the older bf3. My friend who I used to play with on there said he could max that out with a 560ti at 60fps if he just turned the AA down
 

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Here is what it might be:

- 1, your CPU is over-heating, that CPU is hot by itself and when OC'd it might reach high temperatures specially on load, EVO is a good Cooler, but for such CPU I'm not so sure.
- Might be wrongly installed, check it and re-mount it for safety.
- Check if you didn't apply Thermal Paste excessively.
- Try to speak with someone who has the same specs but runs a water cooler.

What's your PSU? Both the CPU and the GPU consume a lot, so if you don't have a good PSU, both might be bottlenecking, that GPU uses a lot of wattage, so the PSU might be sending most of is power to it, and slowing your CPU;
- Re-check your PSU wattage and post it here if possible or do some research by yourself :)

- Are you using the latest drivers? What's your OS? Both your CPU/GPU prefer windows 8.1, you get a slight boost in FPS compared to Windows 7.

- Viruses? Clean your PC up! xD

Well, it's not normal so low fps in BF4 specially with that hardware, and that game prefering the AMD setup...

Hope this was helpful, can't think of anything else...
 

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All those soecs are in my signature, and I should be good on all of those... even fresh windows 8.1 installs behave like this, so I doubt its a virus...
again, max cpu temp is only 54C... 50C at stock
 

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Might as well be the PSU.
Just the GPU requires 750W, an OC'd FX8350 might be way too much wattage just for the 850W but then again, it's Corsair which is a viable brand... Just check it out in some wattage calculator.
Due a low wattage things might be getting bottlenecked.
 
It's not the power supply that's the problem. There's no way that the 8350 +r9 290 would use more than 850w without another r9 290 in crossfire. The 8350 + r9 290 combo would more likely use roughly around 550w power assuming stock settings on both cpu and gpu. On top of that, the OP is not getting 20fps or anything completely ridiculously low like that.
 

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Thanks for trying to help but... thae TDP on newegg's GPU's and the 290's box is for the average total system consumption... GPU uses 200-250 on stock settings. I got an OC'd 8350, but I got APM on, and it uses no more than 125-150w...

Tried taking it off, APM or no APM, the issue remians...
I'm so confused...