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AMD cpu next generation AM3+
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AMD's roadmap from last year showed no new AM3 CPUs for 2014 or 2015.
AM3+ appears to be a dead-end.
AM3+ appears to be a dead-end.
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I believe excavator will be AM4, unless that gets scrapped and becomes another APU like Steamroller did. AMD is working on an all new architecture, and abandoning faildozer's modular approach. We probably won't see it for a couple years though.
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so when will AM4 chipset be announced? cause I'm about to upgrade my CPU from 1100T to fx8350. Is it worth it? or wait for AM4 processor?
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I don't think it is worth it. I would wait till next year and see what Intel and AMD announce. Broadwell will be out early next year, and AMD has been pretty quiet, as far as I know, about Excavator/AM4. It is highly possible AM4 won't be out till the new arch is introduced.
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Clock for clock Phenom II is still a bit better than even Piledriver, I believe. FX's strength is they can clock much higher.
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AFAIK, there will not be an AM4 socket. AM3+ is end-of-line; no future socket or CPU planned in the line.
All confirmed future AMD chips are either on FM2+ socket (APUs), FS1B socket (SoC variants - APUs with integrated chipset) or BGA form factors.
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So will changing from AMD to Intel (4760k/4770k/4790k) will be a benefit for me? since I dont really adore FM2/FM3+ socket processor
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Yep, absolutely. You could possibly rock a FX CPU + 990X MB for another couple of years but, as stated before, there are no plans that AMD plans to release any solid CPU for the next years, lately is only APUs. If you get a Z97 Motherboard with a i5 4690k/i7 4790k, that will be more futureproof (z97 supports Broadwell CPU's that will be released late this year)+ the advantages of new technologies in those pieces of hardware. Then again, Intel is more pricey.
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It will make your pockets $50-100 lighter than a similarly performing Intel chip and motherboard combo.
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Not really true. An FX 6300 has to be overclocked to at least FX 6350 speeds, just to beat an ivy i3, more to beat haswell.
Cheapest route and still 3.9 - 4.0ghz capable, as the board can support FX 8350
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($117.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($30.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($59.24 @ Amazon)
Total: $208.21
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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VS and i3 4150 and H97 combo
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($118.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $206.46
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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FX 8320 needs to be overclocked to beat an i5, but requires a better motherboard to do so. At minimum, it needs a 970a-ud3p for overclocks capable of matching i5 performance.
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CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($30.99 @ Best Buy)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $255.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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The i5 is only $22 more, which would easily be made up in power savings over the life of the system.
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CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $272.97
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If you want more extreme overclocks from AMD, you are going to want a board capable of handling an FX 9xxx and better cooling, which costs more.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($174.99 @ NCIX US)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock 990FX Extreme9 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($169.99 @ Micro Center)
Total: $409.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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Problem is, it will still lose out to a Xeon 1230v3, even when clocked to 4.8ghz.
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CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $337.96
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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For a little less than the AMD build above, you could even go with an i7 4790, which even the FX 9590 is not going to beat.
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CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($304.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $392.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
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I admit Intel really doesn't have anything that directly competes with a 750k/760k. The new Pentium K series that is coming might change that, though.
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wow thanks for adding that up! I'm gladly appreciate your effort dude.
Do you think upgrading to i7-4790k is futureproof for my rigs?
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Unless you use or plan to use massively-threaded software in the foreseeable future, the i7 could easily be overkill.
Yes, multi-threaded games are becoming SLIGHTLY more common lately but my bet is by the time they become common enough that normal people will have to start worrying about it, there will be nothing you can buy today that won't feel obsolete.
One example of that: Intel said quad-core will become the new baseline with Skylake. If they mean baseline as in all the way down to Skylake-based Celerons and Pentiums (assuming these do not become exclusively Atom-based brands), then that effectively turns today's i5 into entry-level chips and possibly knocks today's i7 three rungs down the performance ladder to i3-like status.
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not going to use any software.
my main goal here is to get better framerates in game.
so i7 4790k or FX8350? JUST GAMING. No other than that. Maybe Stream?
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With Intel's current focus on energy savings and IGP performance, I don't expect much of a IPC boost with Skylake over what Broadwell will bring. AMD isn't really competing at the high end for awhile, so they don't need to increase IPC and can focus on other things. Back when there was some real competition, performance increases were much better. Now Intel is basically competing with itself at the high end of the spectrum. Going against AMD's IGP is the one area that Intel is still playing catch up on. AMD simply has a more experienced gpu team thanks to their acquisition of ATI. They can take all that they learn from their dedicated GPU division and apply it to their APU's.
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Since you are concerned with future game support, I would go with an i7. I would save some cash and not go with an 4790k. I would go with a Xeon 1230v3 and Z97 extreme3 in the event you want to CF that R9 290. It costs over $100 more now to go with a properly equipped i7 overclocking setup. The FX 8350 is a dead end and has to be heavily overclocked to even get remotely close to a 1230v3 in performance. That costs more too.
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I was not writing about IPC - the general lack of improvement on IPC for the past several years even on AMD's side clearly shows that x86 IPCPC (IPC per core) is about as good as it will ever get no matter how much more money gets thrown at R&D. Try finding any other CPU architecture that can sustain nearly four instructions per clock on a single thread running general-purpose code; there probably are none.
If Intel moves the baseline configuration up to quad-core with Skylake (meaning Skylake-based Celerons, Pentiums and i3s will all have four cores) then this means i5 and i7 will need a bump of some sort... like 6C6T and 6C12T.
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Not necessarily, clock speeds and cache need to be factored in as well. We will probably get an 8 core at best from Skylake on desktop. Celerons and Pentiums, for instance, are only really separated by cache and a slightly lower clock speed. Then the i3 has HT, but same cache, with higher clock speeds.
I suspect, if we get pentium and celeron class quads with skylake, we will see lower clocks and little cache. I3 will probably be what i5 is today. I5 will probably be like i7 today and i7 will be a true 8 core chip. All speculation, but if the baseline configuration is to be quad core, then it makes sense. If Intel were to make a quad core pentium or celeron priced similar to a 750k/760k, AMD would be screwed. The 750k/760k, on the low end, is the only cpu that really doesn't have any competition at that price point right now.
I suspect, if we get pentium and celeron class quads with skylake, we will see lower clocks and little cache. I3 will probably be what i5 is today. I5 will probably be like i7 today and i7 will be a true 8 core chip. All speculation, but if the baseline configuration is to be quad core, then it makes sense. If Intel were to make a quad core pentium or celeron priced similar to a 750k/760k, AMD would be screwed. The 750k/760k, on the low end, is the only cpu that really doesn't have any competition at that price point right now.
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