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I have an aging system (AMD Phenom II x4 @ 3.2Ghz + Radeon HD 7800 + 8GB RAM)

I wanna make a NEW ONE! (I play mostly MMO's, Wildstar has released and I'm seeing 10-20 FPS in cities, 15-25 outside in combat, and like 35-50 resting (with medium settings). I think my CPU is lagging here but know my vid card ain't young either. I want much much better, but its been a while and you guys are always so helpful, so here is my idea - bout 2k budget ($1500 system $500 monitor)

I wanna do intel because I have heard Wildstar was optimized for Intel/Geforce.

Monitor ($490) ASUS PB Series PB278Q 27" 5ms (GTG) WQHD HDMI Widescreen LED Monitor

GPU ($319) MSI Gaming N770 TF 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 770 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card

Board ($289) ASUS MAXIMUS VI FORMULA LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX gaming board with double-sided ROG Armor, 23C-degrees cooler CrossChill and 120dB SNR, 600ohm audio

CPU ($339) Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 84W Desktop Processor Intel HD

DRIVE ($279) Corsair Force Series GS CSSD-F360GBGS-BK 2.5" 360GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)


OK so that is how far I have gotten. I am looking for reccomendations either way as in too much or not enough. Questions I have right now.

1. Should I go with a better GPU? Which one? Can u recommend a couple and why?
2. Is my mobo too much? I saw some other asus ones around 200 or so...
3. What kind of RAM do I want? I am assuming 16BG but don't know what kind to get.
4. Did I get the right CPU?? other ideas?
4. Any other advice you may have.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CARING AND READING AND RESPONDING!

P.S. Good ideas for casing and power supplies welcome! TYTY :)





 
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Honestly, I doubt your Cpu is holding you back. I upgraded from a Phenom II 3.0ghz oc'ed to 3.5ghz to an Ivy Bridge 3570k @ stock speeds and don't really notice much of a difference. I would however recommend you OC your Cpu and possibly purchase a new video card.

If you are lagging in cities, but getting better FPS in combat, that usually means it's server based lag and not your system. Don't buy a prebuilt from a boutique. Watch some videos and just upgrade your current one in pieces. Case, PSU, Gpu would be a good start. Then if you still feel the need, motherboard/Cpu, Ram next. It won't cost as much as you are thinking, and you'll end up with a better build overall.

Just tossing some builds around, and if you want to...
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Honestly, I doubt your Cpu is holding you back. I upgraded from a Phenom II 3.0ghz oc'ed to 3.5ghz to an Ivy Bridge 3570k @ stock speeds and don't really notice much of a difference. I would however recommend you OC your Cpu and possibly purchase a new video card.

If you are lagging in cities, but getting better FPS in combat, that usually means it's server based lag and not your system. Don't buy a prebuilt from a boutique. Watch some videos and just upgrade your current one in pieces. Case, PSU, Gpu would be a good start. Then if you still feel the need, motherboard/Cpu, Ram next. It won't cost as much as you are thinking, and you'll end up with a better build overall.

Just tossing some builds around, and if you want to completely replace the current Pc, then this is a good starting point:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H80i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 KILLER ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($141.91 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($83.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($134.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.43 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 290 4GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($379.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: LG 23MP55HQ-P 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1455.22
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-04 23:28 EDT-0400)

Don't overpay for an i7. Only a few games take advantage of hypterthreading, so, it's not worth the extra 100 dollars or so. If you don't want to overclock, then I'd knock 20 dollars off the price and pick up the i5 4590 and a cheaper motherboard.

Ddr3 1866mhz CAS 9 Ram that matches the color scheme(Red/Black) for just little more than 1600mhz.

Great value on a video card for just a little more than an nVidia 770. Even if Arma II is optimized for nVidia, this will out-perform a 770.

Splurged on an AiO cpu cooler from Corsair to match the case. Could save money here too, but this will offer good performance for a small price premium.

IPS monitor with a 5ms response time. Doesn't have the pure real-estate that a 27inch has, but when you are this close to the screen I don't see the need for that big anyways. Plus, IPS monitors have a better image too.

Standard 1tb HDD with a 250gb SSD for a great price. Win8.1 included in the price too. Standard optical drive because how else are you going to install windows?
 
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The Z97 Maximus VII Formula (M7F) is about to drop, was announced at Computex earlier this week. The Hero is a cheaper board at $200 but the MSI GD-65 is a feature for feature match end to end, has much better reviews, and it's $40 cheaper....plus has killer newegg deals. In addition, a bug on the Asus Boards where the BIOS clock freezes has been persistent defying Asus' attempts to find a solution.

They have an afflicted board in the lab now and are trying to determine a fix. I'd take the GD65 anyway over the Hero but other than BIOS clock thing, I love the M6F but I have stopped doing M6F builds for the time being, until they fix this.... hopefully wont be long now.

http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?37932-Windows-Clock-Won-t-Keep-Correct-Time-ROG-HERO
http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?33895-Hero-Time-Clock-Problem&highlight=hero+frozen+clock


With a gaming box, I drop the 4770k, take the 4670k and put the $100 saved toward an upgrade to the MSI 780 ($470)....it's like $30 cheaper than everyone else's and gets the best reviews in techpowerup and other sites. If ya can squeeze $130 more, the MSI 780 Ti is $100 cheaper than everyone else.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127746
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127770

MSI GD65 w/ 4670k and GB GSkill Sniper for just $456 after $20 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1461024

I'd put a Seasonix X-850 or Corsair HX850 in there so ya can add a 2nd 780 down the line someday. Enthoo Pro is the dandiest little case out there right now and amazingly inexpensive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811854003

It's big brother the Primo was Best Case of 2013 and rhe Pro follows right behind with the 2014 award.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBhmn21ylkc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guBAl6g8BlY

For cooling I'd pop in a Phanteks PH-TC14-PE, it outperforms every single fan AIO on the ,market and even beats the venerable Corsair H110. If you must have an AIO, get the H110 and avoid the H100i which sounds like a vacuum cleaner. Give a listen here:

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2013/03/12/swiftech-h220-vs-corsair-h100i-noise-testing/

If you wanna spend that kinda money on a Monitor, I'd go w/ the Asus 144Hz VG278HE.... right now, the best gaming monitor ya can get ya hands on is the Asus 144Hz. and put the $110 bucks ya just saved for the upgrade from 780 to MSI 780 Ti :). How can ya walk away from a 780 Ti at $600 ? And the best one available at that.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236293

BTW, look at the Asus (9.4), MSI (9.9) and EVGA (9.5)reviews on techpowerup

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_780_Ti_Gaming/29.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_780_Ti_SC_ACX_Cooler/31.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_780_Ti_Direct_Cu_II_OC/29.html

We have an Asus 144 Hz, an Asus 120Hz and a Dell $1100 IPS.... when photo editing everyone wants the IPS .... but when gaming, that's the last Monitor used. Note: $199 IPS monitors are NOT the same as the more expensive ones. We love the Dell, but not for gaming.... read up on the issue at tftcentral about "ghosting"

Dell U2414H - Ghosting
dell_u2414h.jpg


Asus 278HE - No Ghosting
asus_vg278he.jpg
 
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This build is from gaming point of view only:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VII HERO ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($209.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($76.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($82.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($679.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Enthusiast 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($85.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VG278HE 144Hz 27.0" Monitor ($372.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $1945.83
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-04 23:42 EDT-0400)
 
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OK GUYS GREAT STUFF - JackNaylor I think your info resonated the most with the price range and idea I was going for - really appreciated all of your imput though - I still have a couple questions I would love help with!

My Build so Far:

Monitor ($380) ASUS VG278HE Black 27" 2ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 50,000,000:1 Built-in Speakers 3D ready, Height, Swivel adjustable

GPU ($630) MSI GTX 780Ti GAMING GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 Video Card

Motherboard ($475 Combo) MSI Z87-GD65 Gaming LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Extreme OC High Performance Triple CFX/ SLI Intel Motherboard

CPU ($475 Combo) Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I54670K

Memory ($475 Combo) G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR

Power Supply ($150) CORSAIR HX Series HX850 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply New 4th Gen CPU Certified Haswell Ready

Cooling ($85) Phanteks PH-TC14PE 140mm UFB (Updraft Floating Balance) CPU Cooler

Case ($100) Phanteks PH-ES614P_BK Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case

Current Total = $1,820

QUESTIONS I STIL HAVE! :)

1. I want a a solid state drive in the 300-400 GB range (Ive heard solid state is the way to go unless im wrong, and if so do tell). Is it better to get just one big one than 2 smaller? Which ones should I be looking at? Currently looking at the SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE250BW 2.5" 250GB for $135 OR the PNY XLR8 PRO SSD9SC480GCDA-RB 2.5" 480GB for $240
2. If I don't plan on adding another GPU later, is there a power supply that would save some build cost? It this foolish to consider, if adding another card would extend the life of this build efficiently down the road??
3. 8GB of Memory is all I have in the build - should I be going for 16GB?
4. Last major question is about the monitor- is the one I have here really better for gaming than the ASUS PB Series PB278Q 27" 5ms (GTG) WQHD HDMI Widescreen LED Monitor 300 cd/m2 80,000,000:1 Built-in Speakers, Height & Pivot Adjustable // --- if so why and what is the difference? seems like a big dif in price why is the cheaper one better (not of course that is not possible) thanks again?

THANK YOU ALL FOR HELPING! Getting Excited :)




 
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You really don't need 300-400 GB SSD because of price to storage ratio. Best way is to hook up 120-250GB SSD with 1-2TB HDD. This will be a optimal combination. Use SSD only for OS+Programs. Keep your data on the HDD. This would also help in saving some bucks.

780Ti is a plenty for coming years. You can stick with 650W 80+ PSU in case you opt for single GPU.

8GB of RAM is good enough. Jump to 16gigs only if you are into video/graphics rendering 3D etc.

Don't make built-in speakers your criteria for monitors because most of the gamers use headsets.
 
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Advertised response times are pretty much useless..... some use black to black (much lower), others use grey to gray (big difference) some just make the stuff up. Look at tftcentral site, I have not seen any IPS that didn't have ghosting. many use overdrive response technology to fudge this a bit. The Dell there is a $700+ monitor....It's advertised response time is 6 ms G2G. It's average measured time was 7.2 and high was 11.0 ms ... IOS (255-0-255) was 11.1. It's pretty safe bet that if ya $700 IPS has ghosting the $189 IPS will have it too. Oddly enough the higher priced ones generally are advertised with true G2G response times, the cheaper ones sneak in B2B to try and fool ya. Check here for real numbers

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm



 
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Hate tying a long message and then having it disappear.

1. I'd do 2 smaller ones rather than 1 big one on a work play box .... 256 GB for OS and Programs / 256 GB for Games. 128 GB works for OS only. rest is what budget allows. SSD is liek a big wow experience the 1st time ya boot ya machine. After that, not much to notice. Seagate SSHDs will give ya 90% of the experience of separate HD and SSD.

2. A 650 watter for a single card would save you $25. A 780 Ti kicks A right now but in 2 years it will be like a 580 us today. Cheaper to add a 2nd 580 2 years from now than buy a 780 Ti and the 2 580s will usually have beeter performance.

3. 8GB is good, 16 GB is better. there will be times when you'll appreciate 16 GB, not all that many .... great for using features like RAM Disk that now come in many MoBo packages. Lotta peeps say that it doesn't matter and if budget is tight you won't be wishing you changed your mind. But many also say that speed doesn't matter and while getting faster speed RAM doesn't increase speeds all that much, the performance increase is in fact smaller than the increase in system cost. And on same games (i.e. F1), it hits > 10%

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/32-gb-ddr3-ram,3790-10.html

So for the more memory and faster memory question, my answer is go for it if budget allows. Mushkin 2400 10-12-12-28 is my goto RAM package (Hynix Modules, best 2400 timings, great color match for MSI and Asus boards)

4. Speed.....144 Hz > 120 Hz > 60 Hz.

You won't get ghosting on 144 Hz TN Monitors. Most are also G-Sync capable.....dunno about the 27: model, Asus' 144 Hz 23.6 screen is G-Sync capable.
 
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