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[New Build] Beginner building a school and gaming rig (Please help)

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June 4, 2014 8:36:40 PM

Let me just start off by saying that I am brand-new to this and am probably going to end up saying something stupid so try your best not to laugh. That being said, I need help setting up a computer that I can use for school and gaming. The main thing I am concerned about is being able to run my flight simulator software for my aviation course on this setup, that is actually the whole reason I'm here. I am open to any and all suggestions for this setup as you guys know more about this than me. Thanks to anyone who helps, this is a real learning experience for me.

Right now I'm using a completely stock HP Pavilion 500-164 that I got for school but doesn't meet my needs. (not sure if that's the right way to describe it computers) All I've done to it is switch the cpu cooling fan which I would like to get rid of all together in this build.

Approximate Purchase Date: various days within the next month (I get paid bi-weekly so I cant buy all at once. The higher the price, the longer it will take to buy all the parts.)

Budget Range: 600-800 Before Rebates (Ideally 600-700 though) (Price of case NOT included.)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Flight simulator, Video streaming, gaming, School work, surfing the internet, Watching movies.

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitors, speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, FrozenCPU.com, Amazon.com, really any site that you guys would use...

Country: United Stated

Parts Preferences: I'm currently running an AMD processor but would be more than happy to switch over to an Intel if suggested. Would prefer NVIDIA GPU and would like the system must be liquid cooled. Also would like an HDD with 1TB on it so I don't have to worry about running out.

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe down the line when I can afford it.

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Preferably able to run with 3-4 monitors @ full speed (Only one or two for gaming, I also record Call of Duty commentaries for YouTube). Already picked out my desired case but open to other options (Price of case NOT included in budget) http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11622/cst-1051/NZXT_P... . Othercases MUST have window.


Sorry for the long write up. I appreciate any and all responses. Thanks!
June 4, 2014 9:06:39 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Zj9jJx
This build has everything but a dvd drive witch u can get from newegg for about 20$ and no operating system.
Should do about everything for about 600$
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June 5, 2014 8:02:00 AM

Mastergamer99 thats definitely a possibility, I'm just going to wait and see some other suggestions before I decide for sure.
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June 5, 2014 8:49:59 AM

Bump.
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June 5, 2014 9:25:08 AM

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pqRsnQ
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pqRsnQ/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pqRsnQ/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($234.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($61.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: A-Data XPG V1.0 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.44 @ Amazon)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270X 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $810.37
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-05 12:25 EDT-0400)
If you can spend 10$ more it will be great cause these are highly rated in PCPartPicker
Else just go for a Z87 mobo and a cooler master CPU cooler
For OS installation use an USB stick, this build lacks the ODD
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June 5, 2014 9:52:39 AM

I know you wanted overclocking but the i5s are powerful enough that they don't need to be overclocked and a non-OC build will save you some money to get your monitor and keyboard:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($71.10 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270X 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Monitor: Asus VE247H 23.6" Monitor ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Logitech MK120 Wired Slim Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($12.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $813.01
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-05 12:49 EDT-0400)

Just threw a cheap keyboard mouse combo in there, the monitor has speakers that you can use until you can grab a good set of speakers (usually around $50-80 gets you something decent, got mine for $60 in 2006 and they still work great)
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June 5, 2014 10:29:56 AM

Numanator, I'm not able to directly reply from my phone but i already have monitors, a keyboard, mouse, and speakers so I'm fine there. But I like both of them so far. I'll look more into them after school
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June 5, 2014 10:32:47 AM

Woops, read those as parts required instead of the other way around :D 
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June 5, 2014 12:23:49 PM

Haha it's fine man. Just wondering if that mobo will fit in the case I'm trying to get if I end up getting this one. I'll have enough money for it if you get rid of the cost of the monitor and keyboard combo.
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June 5, 2014 12:34:27 PM

Yeah the Phantom Full tower is a big case, should have no problems with an ATX mobo, could probably fit an EAtx or something but those are pretty rare (and expensive)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($71.10 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270X 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom ATX Full Tower Case ($104.98 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $735.02
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-05 15:36 EDT-0400)
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June 5, 2014 2:08:24 PM

numanator said:
Yeah the Phantom Full tower is a big case, should have no problems with an ATX mobo, could probably fit an EAtx or something but those are pretty rare (and expensive)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($87.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($71.10 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270X 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom ATX Full Tower Case ($104.98 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $735.02
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-05 15:36 EDT-0400)


To be honest, I'm probably going to end up going with this one if all goes well. I just have two questions. 1) If i wanted to edit videos in adobe after effects or something of the sort and render them for youtube, would this set-up be good for that aswell? and 2) I might be missing it but I didnt see a cooling system included in that list aside from the fan that comes with the cpu. would you also be able to recommend a liquid cooling kit or something of the sort to go along with this build and possibly coolant aswell?
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June 5, 2014 3:20:05 PM

1. This would work well for editing but is not the best setup, To optimize for editing you would want a Xeon ($250) or i7 ($320) processor for the hyperthreading and 16 GB of ram (for professional level performance). If you are just planning to post youtube videos of gameplay or something then the i5 is good enough.
2. Typically you only need an aftermarket cooler on overclocking systems. For a non-OC cpu the stock cooler is sufficient. If you find your stock cooler too loud then you could get an aftermarket cooler but it is not needed for good temperatures. There is absolutely no need for liquid cooling or a custom cooling loop for a no-oc build, you would only need a cooling loop for an extreme setup going for maximum overclocks
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June 5, 2014 4:43:27 PM

I think I'll just stick with the i5 for this build then. It's not really all that important to me. I'm not a professional editor or anything, just do it for fun. And I was originally planning on setting it up for overclocking but I see now that it is not the right CPU for it. I'd have to go in an extra $50 for the Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor if I'm not mistaking, which could potentially set back the build another 2 weeks. I guess for now I'll just wait and see if I need to oc it. Just one more question though, and this one is kind of basic. When & if I feel the need to oc it,all i'll have to do is just switch out the CPU correct? Sorry for all the dumb questions, still pretty new to this.
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June 5, 2014 5:48:11 PM

No worries, got to start learning somewhere :) . For overclocking intel builds you are looking at spending:
$30 (CPU) + $30 (good OC mobo) + $30 (CPU Cooler) = $90 more than a non-OC build

If you did want to switch to an OC build then you would need to swap out the motherboard and CPU. The H97 series motherboards do not allow for overclocking, the Z97 motherboards do. If you are interested in overclocking in the future you could get a Z97 motherboard and use a new CPU then. Keep in mind that the new intel chipset (Broadwell) will be released some time next year and will be compatible with the Z97 motherboards.

For getting a overclockable Broadwell CPU in the future:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.91 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($71.10 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270X 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom ATX Full Tower Case ($104.98 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $776.95
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-05 20:47 EDT-0400)
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June 5, 2014 6:35:16 PM

numanator said:
No worries, got to start learning somewhere :) . For overclocking intel builds you are looking at spending:
$30 (CPU) + $30 (good OC mobo) + $30 (CPU Cooler) = $90 more than a non-OC build

If you did want to switch to an OC build then you would need to swap out the motherboard and CPU. The H97 series motherboards do not allow for overclocking, the Z97 motherboards do. If you are interested in overclocking in the future you could get a Z97 motherboard and use a new CPU then. Keep in mind that the new intel chipset (Broadwell) will be released some time next year and will be compatible with the Z97 motherboards.

For getting a overclockable Broadwell CPU in the future:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.91 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($71.10 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270X 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom ATX Full Tower Case ($104.98 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $776.95
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-05 20:47 EDT-0400)


Well I think we found a winner... and for $40+ now instead of dropping another $125 in a year just to spend more money, this just seems like a better choice. I just have one more question and then I'll put that one as the solution. Since I have a 2TB hard drive in my current pc, would I just be able to move that over to the build and put an old smaller one of CL or something on this one?
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June 5, 2014 6:56:35 PM

If you have a 2tb HDD already you could move that over to this build. I would get an SSD for your OS boot up if it is in budget. Basically you would install you OS and main applications (browser, core applications, a few games) onto the SSD (which reads and writes much faster) and put music, videos, etc. on your 2 TB HDD.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($184.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.91 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($71.10 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.81 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 270X 2GB Double Dissipation Video Card ($179.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Phantom ATX Full Tower Case ($104.98 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $790.77
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-05 21:54 EDT-0400)

Or you could go without the SSD and just use your 2 TB HDD for everything. Totally up to you. Lots of options for you to choose from, let me know if you have more questions.
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June 5, 2014 7:15:10 PM

I think I'm just going to go with the 2TB HDD for now and possibly get the SSD later on. I'm actually pretty excited about this build now to be honest. Probably going to make a build thread when I start it just to keep track of whats being done to it while its in my care. Thanks again for all the help, the only other question I have is can i move a copy of my OS over to the new pc? Or do I have to re-buy? And if I do have to re-buy, which do you recommend, Windows 7 or 8?
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June 6, 2014 8:22:14 AM

It depends on the copy of windows 7. If it is a copy that came with a prebuilt then the license is tied to the motherboard so you would not be able to transfer it over (you could try calling windows to try though). Windows 7 or 8 is kind of up to you, Windows 8 gets better performance in some aspects but most people don't like the Metro interface (which can be turned off i think). Also some older games don't work well on windows 8, other than that 8 is superior to 7 performance wise.
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June 6, 2014 8:48:27 AM

I currently have Windows 8 and I'm fine with the metro interface on it so if that's the only real problem I think I will just stay with it. I'll call Windows and see if I can transfer it over (I doubt it though) and if not I'll just buy it or maybe even go with Ubuntu if I have to. I'll look more into deciding which OS would be best for me and fit my price range since I have a couple of f weeks before I can officially start this build anyway. Thanks again for all your help.
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June 6, 2014 9:00:02 AM

I believe the windows 8 OS is easier to move over than the windows 7, haven't done it yet myself (still on windows 7) but I believe the Win 8 OEM can be transferred to other motherboards.
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June 6, 2014 1:47:38 PM

I'll guess I'll find out once the build is put together l, I'm not really all that worried about the OS to be absolutely honest.
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