Low fps in BF3 and BF4 with 8350 and R9 290
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jkteddy77
June 8, 2014 2:33:09 AM
Buld in my signature, I've done this 60 times, so I'll make it short an sweet
all i 1080p
Things I've tried:
-updated bios
-updated Mobo drivers
-updated and clean installed catalyst 14.4 drivers
-Unparked cores
-reisntalled windows 8.1 on several HDD's, having only Drivers, Origin, and BF3/BF4 on it... same low fps
-max cpu temp 54C, clocks never drop under 4.4ghz
-max gpu 75C, clcoks always 997-1000mhz and 1300 constant
-gpu usage is dropping to around 50%
-no CPu core ever reaches more than 90%, and cpus usage is 60-70% mostly
-GPu usage 50-99%...
here is video of it, my gpu usage seems to drop. Horrible on BF3/BF4 DX11 and still quite slow on Mantle on BF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaVKMNL-aS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq9dSLOElX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcTPLMuQ610
Yet I can benchmark this on 3Dmark, apparently in the top 30% for my configuration...
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3206228?
and get 55 in Unigine Valley extreme HD
and 50fps in Unigine Heaven extreme
Any ideas are appreciated. (switch to intel is not a valid idea... altough likely if I can't even run on AMD's top processor...)
all i 1080p
Things I've tried:
-updated bios
-updated Mobo drivers
-updated and clean installed catalyst 14.4 drivers
-Unparked cores
-reisntalled windows 8.1 on several HDD's, having only Drivers, Origin, and BF3/BF4 on it... same low fps
-max cpu temp 54C, clocks never drop under 4.4ghz
-max gpu 75C, clcoks always 997-1000mhz and 1300 constant
-gpu usage is dropping to around 50%
-no CPu core ever reaches more than 90%, and cpus usage is 60-70% mostly
-GPu usage 50-99%...
here is video of it, my gpu usage seems to drop. Horrible on BF3/BF4 DX11 and still quite slow on Mantle on BF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaVKMNL-aS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq9dSLOElX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcTPLMuQ610
Yet I can benchmark this on 3Dmark, apparently in the top 30% for my configuration...
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/3206228?
and get 55 in Unigine Valley extreme HD
and 50fps in Unigine Heaven extreme
Any ideas are appreciated. (switch to intel is not a valid idea... altough likely if I can't even run on AMD's top processor...)
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Nuckles_56
June 8, 2014 7:19:58 AM
jkteddy77
June 8, 2014 1:08:44 PM
Nuckles_56 said:
The problem is the AMD processor unfortunately and th only way to deal with it is to go intel sadly in order to make the best use of your GPUBut I talk to many each day running 6300 and 8350 that are running this card just fine... people on youtube don't seem to have this problem, as well as others in the game... The cpu CAN HANDLE BF3 and BF4, just don't understand why mine isn't. I benchmark appropriately too, the cpu gets a 708 in Cinibench R15, so it obviously isn't underperforming
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Zombiefighter57
June 15, 2014 5:24:51 PM
coolcole01
June 15, 2014 6:17:10 PM
herrwizo
July 3, 2014 11:33:18 PM
I have a possible solution, mate. Heard that one recently. If you are using Origin, try disabling "Use origin in game" option. It is somewhere in Origin's setting, cant't remember where. Apparently, Origin overlay hogs certain combinations of AMD cards and drivers. Nothing to lose! Because the way I see it, your hardware is fine, temps are fine and this is the only thing that comes to mind.
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Fidgetmaster
July 3, 2014 11:37:17 PM
jkteddy77
July 3, 2014 11:48:37 PM
jkteddy77
July 3, 2014 11:49:08 PM
herrwizo said:
I have a possible solution, mate. Heard that one recently. If you are using Origin, try disabling "Use origin in game" option. It is somewhere in Origin's setting, cant't remember where. Apparently, Origin overlay hogs certain combinations of AMD cards and drivers. Nothing to lose! Because the way I see it, your hardware is fine, temps are fine and this is the only thing that comes to mind. Tried it this, on both of my windows installs, and neither had its issue fixed....
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herrwizo
July 3, 2014 11:51:57 PM
Fidgetmaster
July 3, 2014 11:54:26 PM
herrwizo
July 3, 2014 11:58:53 PM
jkteddy77
July 4, 2014 12:04:59 AM
herrwizo said:
Fidgetmaster said:
yeah that 4790k/Z97 will fix it very well hahaPretty please, with the sugar on top, try to be constructive or at least let the other people be. We are trying to resolve a problem here, and believe it or not, this situation is not funny to the OP.
Nah, nah, his joke is fine, but you're right, I've been to hell and back and there really doesn't seem to be a solution as to why the 8350 + R9 290 run so badly for me, as well as my friend and others with this issue.
I didn't WANT to buy a 4790k, I did because I can find no other solution... (I BETTER see significant gains in all games for the price I'm paying)
So Hopefully I'll have time to get the z97 pro and 4790k in, but what is my next step if the 4790k in fact doesn't fix it?
And yet again... why is my 8350 so slow with it? my 8350 at 4.4ghz is still quite a bit faster than his i7 920, and my r9 290 is 2x as fast as his 270, and it sounds like his gpu runs about 45-70fps all ultra so...
That's what I'm getting....
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herrwizo
July 4, 2014 12:07:15 AM
Fidgetmaster
July 4, 2014 12:14:55 AM
jkteddy77
July 4, 2014 12:15:17 AM
herrwizo said:
I would defo try this 290 in your friend's computer and see how it performs. See, we both have r9 290's different brands... we tried swapping them out one day...
Mine runs BF the same in his
His runs BF the same in mine
Different OS, PSU, MOBO, RAM, everything in the two rigs is different.
Yet... We both have 8350's...
Mine was at 4.4ghz, his was at 4.2ghz turbo out of box stock... again, we ran the same, even though I had tweaked every part in my BIOS to the point of max performance... And I have a 990FX with Asus UEFI, there is a LOT of things I had tweaked perfectly... still doesn't run BF3 or BF4 multiplayer right...
Doesn't make a tad bit of sense...
Wish I had time to throw the 4790k in, but it will pry take 2-3 hours to completely wiap out, install cooler again, rewire, etc, and a few more hours to set up right, and I'll be gone all holiday weekend.
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Fidgetmaster
July 4, 2014 12:17:47 AM
Fidgetmaster
July 4, 2014 12:26:10 AM
jkteddy77
July 4, 2014 12:27:49 AM
Fidgetmaster said:
about the same really...egh... Not gonna fight too much, but many benchmarks show the 8350 lands bewtwwen the 3570k/3770k in a LOT of games, and is almost as fast a a 4670k at stock 4.2ghz speeds IN MOST GAMES
Now Single process games, an intel is faster but...
I SHOULD NOT be having issues in Battlefield 3 or Battlefield 4... Especially Battlefield 4, which uses atll 8 pf my CPU cores... here, you really want a tie breaker, watch this video.
http://youtu.be/eu8Sekdb-IE?t=6m24s
I trust these guys, and this man uses a 4390k in his personal rig, an unbiased video.
Also, here's some footage, you can see whats going on with my PC's usage levels. Here's some video I took:
Yes, its lossless recording, my FPS is Frame for Frame THAT BAD.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaVKMNL-aS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq9dSLOElX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcTPLMuQ610
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herrwizo
July 4, 2014 12:30:45 AM
Fidgetmaster said:
and no the 8350 isn't really better than the 920....True, they are about equal on average. 8350 is approximately 20% faster in multithreaded applications, but also slower by the same amount in single-threaded applications. That 20% can't make *that* much of a difference, though. His GPU is only 50% loaded, a terrible percentage.
To the OP: so you know for sure that your 290 indeed CAN, in fact, work properly in another computer. Check whether something is hogging your CPU. Could be malware, or even your antivirus. How is your CPU usage while sitting idle on desktop?
EDIT: Also try disabling everything in BIOS you can just for testing: like onboard VGA, onboard LAN, onboard audio and serial / parallel ports. You might have an IRQ conflict somewhere, causing your CPU to lag spike while moving mouse or similar issues. Seen it many times.
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Fidgetmaster
July 4, 2014 12:38:20 AM
jkteddy77
July 4, 2014 12:38:36 AM
herrwizo said:
Fidgetmaster said:
and no the 8350 isn't really better than the 920....True, they are about equal on average. 8350 is approximately 20% faster in multithreaded applications, but also slower by the same amount in single-threaded applications. That 20% can't make *that* much of a difference, though. His GPU is only 50% loaded, a terrible percentage.
To the OP: so you know for sure that your 290 indeed CAN, in fact, work properly in another computer. Check whether something is hogging your CPU. Could be malware, or even your antivirus. How is your CPU usage while sitting idle on desktop?
1% usage on desktop...
My PC Runs every game GREAT EXCEPT for BF3 and BF4 multiplayer.
The first mission of BF3, I'm rocking 114-190fps in the first scene of the game in that train, and I'm mostly 80-120 the entire Story campaign.
I run 90-99% GPU usage all single player action
Same with BF4, which runs about 60-90 in a majority of the campaign all ultra on DX11 AND Mantle.
The PC is not defective, and my friend has the same issue in BF alone. Both of our rigs are working correctly in all other programs... even with each other's 290's, all other games and programs function perfect (or as they should with an 8350, some games are natively slower with 8350, but BF shouldn't be one of them)
I run Sniper Elite 3 (just came out)all ultra at 80-180fps, and with 2x Supersampling enabled, I still pull a steady 70-110 all game, almost every mission... This is exactly as it should run.
Now I get into most maps in MP in BF3 or BF4 DX11, and Down goes my GPU usage...
So how come another friend of mine with his 8350 and gtx 780 with all worse mobo, psu, and RAM than me has NEVER had this issue...
Also, the tens and twenties of other people I meet who run 6300, 8150, 8320,8350, even people with the same RAM and MOBO as me, even same exact GPU model... run fine, 70-110 all ultra in BF4 on DX11, and 100+ on BF3...
Neither of us have any viruses, and I've even reinstalled windows many times, it runs the same on a fresh clean sytem with nothing but BF and drivers on it...
See why I caved to get the 4790k, even though only 5%-10% of games will run any better?
I can't get my favorite game to run, even though my PC as is should smash it to pieces in performance...
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herrwizo
July 4, 2014 12:42:38 AM
I have an ancient Q9550 with R9 280X (and 8 GB + SSD) and I can get everything ultra on more than 60 fps on average at all times... so yes, something is very wrong here.
Try this: try monitoring your CPU usage while you move your mouse. Also, please try disabling all the stuff in BIOS you don't need, just to test whether it helps or not.
Try this: try monitoring your CPU usage while you move your mouse. Also, please try disabling all the stuff in BIOS you don't need, just to test whether it helps or not.
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jkteddy77
July 4, 2014 12:45:41 AM
herrwizo said:
I have an ancient Q9550 with R9 280X (and 8 GB + SSD) and I can get everything ultra on more than 60 fps on average at all times... so yes, something is very wrong here.Try this: try monitoring your CPU usage while you move your mouse. Also, please try disabling all the stuff in BIOS you don't need, just to test whether it helps or not.
Man I've tried diabling all power saving functions, turbo, and finely tune the voltages and temp controls of my BIOS... spent days and days tuning these, and it runs BF games just the same it did the day I built it...
The OC is working, I benchmark and play games about 2-4fps faster... but BF3 and BF4 MP with DX11 run just the same...
and you run 60+ with 280x on DX11? or does it only run that well on Mantle? The issue here is Mantle runs fine, DX11 doesn't... so BF3 is unplayable.
I've got the latest DX11 from the web, reinstalled the version in BF3 and BF4's Redistribute files, as well, and Windows 8.1 also has the latest DirectX you can get, DX11.2, and that's all updated as well.
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herrwizo
July 4, 2014 12:48:35 AM
Basically, I get more FPS with Mantle, yes. Less fps drops, but on average it is not that much of a difference.
What I was referring to was not the power functions. Did you actually try disabling on board HARDWARE? Like integrated VGA, integrated sound, serial / parallel ports? Disable them all except onboard LAN and try again.
What I was referring to was not the power functions. Did you actually try disabling on board HARDWARE? Like integrated VGA, integrated sound, serial / parallel ports? Disable them all except onboard LAN and try again.
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jkteddy77
July 4, 2014 12:51:27 AM
herrwizo said:
Basically, I get more FPS with Mantle, yes. Less fps drops, but on average it is not that much of a difference.What I was referring to was not the power functions. Did you actually try disabling on board HARDWARE? Like integrated VGA, integrated sound, serial / parallel ports? Disable them all except onboard LAN and try again.
There is no integrated VGA, diabling AMD's sound driver doesn't fix it, and I have the latest (and have tired previous version of) My LAN, Sata, and Adio drivers for my mobo on multiple windowsi nstallations... not a single has fixed it, even with 3 different bios verisions.
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herrwizo
July 4, 2014 12:56:54 AM
jkteddy77
July 4, 2014 1:03:59 AM
herrwizo said:
Yould you, by any chance, post a pic of GPU-Z and CPU-Z?sure, I actually already have some on hand...
https://imgur.com/kxOFWmS
https://imgur.com/QKIyzZ2
https://imgur.com/WOWd60U
https://imgur.com/1pb5Rsl
https://imgur.com/iswIEAX
https://imgur.com/kpTgjQP
https://imgur.com/Ij4JbrU
https://imgur.com/vERSbgO
https://imgur.com/A3N7oNj
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herrwizo
July 4, 2014 1:11:14 AM
And here, sir, we probably have the solution.
As this image clearly shows:
https://imgur.com/vERSbgO
Your graphics card RUNS ONLY AT PCIE x1 SPEED, instead of x16. Which slot on the mobo did you use? Not one of the black ones, I hope? They are x4, the blue ones are x16. You need to check BIOS settings as well. Some power saving features can limit PCI-E speed, turn them all off.
EDIT: I would also uninstall every single peace of Asus software (utilities) you got with your mobo (if installed). Of course, leave the drivers, just uninstall everything else from Asus. Could be that some utility is manipulating with these settings, causing your PCI-E speed to drop.
As this image clearly shows:
https://imgur.com/vERSbgO
Your graphics card RUNS ONLY AT PCIE x1 SPEED, instead of x16. Which slot on the mobo did you use? Not one of the black ones, I hope? They are x4, the blue ones are x16. You need to check BIOS settings as well. Some power saving features can limit PCI-E speed, turn them all off.
EDIT: I would also uninstall every single peace of Asus software (utilities) you got with your mobo (if installed). Of course, leave the drivers, just uninstall everything else from Asus. Could be that some utility is manipulating with these settings, causing your PCI-E speed to drop.
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jkteddy77
July 4, 2014 1:25:57 AM
herrwizo said:
And here, sir, we probably have the solution.As this image clearly shows:
https://imgur.com/vERSbgO
Your graphics card RUNS ONLY AT PCIE x1 SPEED, instead of x16. Which slot on the mobo did you use? Not one of the black ones, I hope? They are x4, the blue ones are x16. You need to check BIOS settings as well. Some power saving features can limit PCI-E speed, turn them all off.
Sorry to pop your inspiration but...
this is image was when the PC was at desktop... It drop to x1 speed to conserve power, and the clock drops to 150/300
In game, it is at pci2.0 x16... all game, never drops. I've stared at it for minutes on end, even as the fps drops and low usage remain, the PCI bandwidth stays at x16 the entire time I'm playing I've messed with it at a solid 1000/1300, yet only 50-90% usage.
You can see it at a healthy x16 speed in the footage I took (if you can read it through my shaky filming
)Links are a few posts back, review the thread.
sorry, guess I didn't run CPU-Z in the videos, but I'm testing BF3 RIGHT NOW, and it shows PCI3.0x16@ PCI2.0x16...
It's in the top PCI2.0 x16 slot, but I've tried the lower slot as well, which is also x16. Runs just as poorly in BF, and the same in all other programs...
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herrwizo
July 4, 2014 1:27:58 AM
jkteddy77
July 4, 2014 1:31:48 AM
herrwizo said:
Was afraid you'll say so
Still, try uninstalling all the Asus software... Nothing to lose!
I NEVER INSTALLED ANY in one of my Windows installs. here is ALL there was:
-Windows 8.1 all updated
-Driver 14.4 stable chipset from AMD
-Driver 14.4 Graphics from AMD
-origin
-BF3/BF4...
-of course punkbuster... which I tried updating/reinstalling too
That is ALL I had on my entire Programs list in windows except for the basic windows programs, which I tried to kill all of as well... still happened.
If that's not a closed test-bench, I don't know what is, there is literally NO VARIABLE left there...
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coolcole01
July 4, 2014 1:32:05 AM
jkteddy77
July 4, 2014 1:54:43 AM
coolcole01 said:
I think it's time to try another card in that moboI got another CPU andm obo now to test, 4790k and Asus Z97 Pro came in yesterday, just no time to install them yet. Also got an SSD as well, a Samsung 840 Evo 250gb
Don't think it could be the MOBO if it happen on my 990fX Pro, and my friend's 970 mobo...
the 990FX Pro is one step under the Sabertooth, doubt that that is the issue, and I run into some even with the AMD Maximus Formula IV running into this issue...
Doubt its the mobo, and the GPU kicks ass in all (or most) other games.
NOT gonna side-grade to a 780 and a 290x or 780ti is not worth it, when my card now should run double what it is in BF3/BF4.
Since I only drop GPU usage, and not GPU clocking, I blame the CPU (even though there was no solid lead as to this being hte only reason) But even if it doesn't end up fixing it, at least I'll have an i7 at 4.4ghz stock
If it doesn't work, I am still gonna be devastated though, as it was $637 for those three Items...
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herrwizo
July 4, 2014 2:59:56 AM
Well, something will definitely happen, and it can only get better if you think about it realistically.
My inspiration is drying out, though. The strange thing is that your Mantle performance is good, that would indicate that either all AMD's recent drivers are optimised mostly for Mantle and not DX11 (at least in BF4 and at least for 290 series, which is quite new) or that you indeed have "too weak CPU" issues, which is beyond me. Guess that the only thing you can do is test with a better CPU, yeah.
My inspiration is drying out, though. The strange thing is that your Mantle performance is good, that would indicate that either all AMD's recent drivers are optimised mostly for Mantle and not DX11 (at least in BF4 and at least for 290 series, which is quite new) or that you indeed have "too weak CPU" issues, which is beyond me. Guess that the only thing you can do is test with a better CPU, yeah.
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jkteddy77
July 4, 2014 12:32:27 PM
herrwizo said:
Well, something will definitely happen, and it can only get better if you think about it realistically. My inspiration is drying out, though. The strange thing is that your Mantle performance is good, that would indicate that either all AMD's recent drivers are optimised mostly for Mantle and not DX11 (at least in BF4 and at least for 290 series, which is quite new) or that you indeed have "too weak CPU" issues, which is beyond me. Guess that the only thing you can do is test with a better CPU, yeah.
I'll let you know how it goes when I get it in the system... Still very odd, how come were on the same driver with the same cpu and same gpu as others who have no issues...
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