amd r9 290 or GTX 770

Dutchraccoon · Jun 9, 2014

Hello, i'm about to buy a new graphics card my system right now is:
CPU: intel core i5 4440
GPU: intel HD Graphics 4600
PSU: Cooler master G600
MoBo: ASRock H87M Pro 4
Ram: Corsair Vengeance 8gb 1600mhz
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1T 7200rpm
Case: Sharkoon T28

I first had my mind on the GTX770 but i've recived an offer for a r9 290 for 394,63 dollars (290,- euro's).
Which would be best for 1080p gaming on ultra settings?

Leonell12 · Jun 9, 2014

Dutchraccoon :

The 290 will beat the 770 in everything hands down...but when deciding between amd and nvidia, theres more to consider
1....Do you want physx? ..if the answer is yes, then nvidia is the only way to go
2...Do you play nvidia-based games (Borderlands/ Watchdogs) or amd-based games (Crysis/ Tomb raider)?
3...Do you have any cooling issues?...if you live in a hot country or are using a 'silent enclosure' case....amd chips run hotter than nvidia ones and use more power

EDIT: forgot to mention, the 290 even beats the 780 btw

nikoli707 · Jun 9, 2014

the r9-290 is far superior to the gtx770. what model r9-290 are you looking at? is it a reference cooler design?

also the 290 will not beat the 780 hands down in eververything. even with a nice cooler like a twin frozr or a tri-x the 290 is still extremely thermally limited on its overclock. similar 780s with say a twin frozr or dc2 cooler have much higher overclocking headroom and over clocked to 80c will beat the 290 running at 90c. good luck keeping any air cooled 290 at 80c with any meaningful overclock.

Leonell12 · Jun 9, 2014

nikoli707 :

i apologize, my bad, the '780' was supposed to be '770'...as that is what the OP mentions as well

Dutchraccoon · Jun 9, 2014

Leonell12 :

nikoli707 :

It's a reference cooler design, and how good would a r9 290 simulate physx because i like physx quite a lot but i don't want it to dramatically change my fps for example, one of my friend has a r9 280x and runs borderlands 2 on high settings at 1680:1050 with just 50fps while my other friend plays it maxed out 1080p with 90+ fps with a gtx 760.

Leonell12 · Jun 9, 2014

Dutchraccoon :

Leonell12 :

nikoli707 :

It's a reference cooler design, and how good would a r9 290 simulate physx because i like physx quite a lot but i don't want it to dramatically change my fps for example, one of my friend has a r9 280x and runs borderlands 2 on high settings at 1680:1050 with just 50fps while my other friend plays it maxed out 1080p with 90+ fps with a gtx 760.

you're getting a reference r9 290? please dont...that is a recipe for disaster, the reference coolers on amd is useless and pathetic....you will experience alot of throttling (where the gpu lowers performance to maintain stable temperature)....physx is Nvidia-only....it is a technology that is built into their cards..unless you do alot DIY messing about...you will not get physx on an amd card...physx is for Nvidia cards ONLY
....and the 760 outperforms the r9 280x by that much?....the 280x your friend is using is probably a reference design (or he has something else wrong with his system), otherwise 280x beats the 760 by about 10 fps in almost any game

Dutchraccoon · Jun 9, 2014

Leonell12 :

Dutchraccoon :

you're getting a reference r9 290? please dont...that is a recipe for disaster, the reference coolers on amd is useless and pathetic....you will experience alot of throttling (where the gpu lowers performance to maintain stable temperature)....physx is Nvidia-only....it is a technology that is built into their cards..unless you do alot DIY messing about...you will not get physx on an amd card...physx is for Nvidia cards ONLY
....and the 760 outperforms the r9 280x by that much?....the 280x your friend is using is probably a reference design (or he has something else wrong with his system), otherwise 280x beats the 760 by about 10 fps in almost any game

My friend has a MSI twinfrozr oc edition 280x and if the amd stock coolers are as bad as you say, I'll buy a 770, do I get any benefit if I buy a 4gb vram moddel?

Leonell12 · Jun 9, 2014

Dutchraccoon :

Leonell12 :

Dutchraccoon :

you're getting a reference r9 290? please dont...that is a recipe for disaster, the reference coolers on amd is useless and pathetic....you will experience alot of throttling (where the gpu lowers performance to maintain stable temperature)....physx is Nvidia-only....it is a technology that is built into their cards..unless you do alot DIY messing about...you will not get physx on an amd card...physx is for Nvidia cards ONLY
....and the 760 outperforms the r9 280x by that much?....the 280x your friend is using is probably a reference design (or he has something else wrong with his system), otherwise 280x beats the 760 by about 10 fps in almost any game

My friend has a MSI twinfrozr oc edition 280x and if the amd stock coolers are as bad as you say, I'll buy a 770, do I get any benefit if I buy a 4gb vram moddel?

the rule of thumb to run games at maxed out settings is to get 3gb vram or more.....Watch dogs right now used 4gb on ultra but thats being patched ...i would say if you can get a 4gb version without breaking the bank...go for it, it would also help in sli configurations (if you plan on them) later on, and whos to say games wont start using more than 2gb vram anytime soon?....also, are you getting a reference 770 or an after market one?

Dutchraccoon · Jun 9, 2014

Leonell12 :

Dutchraccoon :

Leonell12 :

My friend has a MSI twinfrozr oc edition 280x and if the amd stock coolers are as bad as you say, I'll buy a 770, do I get any benefit if I buy a 4gb vram moddel?

the rule of thumb to run games at maxed out settings is to get 3gb vram or more.....Watch dogs right now used 4gb on ultra but thats being patched ...i would say if you can get a 4gb version without breaking the bank...go for it, it would also help in sli configurations (if you plan on them) later on, and whos to say games wont start using more than 2gb vram anytime soon?....also, are you getting a reference 770 or an after market one?

I'm planning on buying one from msi, and I have read some treads about a 4gb model.
These threads said that the 770 wouldn't benefit from the extra 2gb ram because it would run out of horsepower, is that true?

Leonell12 · Jun 9, 2014

Dutchraccoon :

Leonell12 :

Dutchraccoon :

the rule of thumb to run games at maxed out settings is to get 3gb vram or more.....Watch dogs right now used 4gb on ultra but thats being patched ...i would say if you can get a 4gb version without breaking the bank...go for it, it would also help in sli configurations (if you plan on them) later on, and whos to say games wont start using more than 2gb vram anytime soon?....also, are you getting a reference 770 or an after market one?

I'm planning on buying one from msi, and I have read some treads about a 4gb model.
These threads said that the 770 wouldn't benefit from the extra 2gb ram because it would run out of horsepower, is that true?

that's kinda true. See if your using a single 1080p monitor, then the extra 2gb vram doesnt help much, if at all, if you're using dual-triple monitor setup or are using a single 1440p display, then the extra 2gb does help, the vram is just the space to store things that have to be rendered...if you plan to sli (maybe for an upgrade) then you should definitely get the 4gb version....so single monitor/ 1080p..get 2gb, multiple monitor/ 1440p/ sli configurations, get 4gb

....what people mean by running out of horsepower isnt that the card simply doesnt have enough power to handle 4gb vram, its that the card will never need more than 4gb...its not fast enough to utilize 4gb of data every second or whatever...

Dutchraccoon · Jun 9, 2014

Leonell12 :

Dutchraccoon :

Leonell12 :

I'm planning on buying one from msi, and I have read some treads about a 4gb model.
These threads said that the 770 wouldn't benefit from the extra 2gb ram because it would run out of horsepower, is that true?

that's kinda true. See if your using a single 1080p monitor, then the extra 2gb vram doesnt help much, if at all, if you're using dual-triple monitor setup or are using a single 1440p display, then the extra 2gb does help, the vram is just the space to store things that have to be rendered...if you plan to sli (maybe for an upgrade) then you should definitely get the 4gb version....so single monitor/ 1080p..get 2gb, multiple monitor/ 1440p/ sli configurations, get 4gb

....what people mean by running out of horsepower isnt that the card simply doesnt have enough power to handle 4gb vram, its that the card will never need more than 4gb...its not fast enough to utilize 4gb of data every second or whatever...

So I would be more future proof if I buy a 4gb model because I am planning on sli in future upgrades but these may take quite a lot of time to happen.

Leonell12 · Jun 9, 2014

Dutchraccoon :

Leonell12 :

Dutchraccoon :

Leonell12 :

I'm planning on buying one from msi, and I have read some treads about a 4gb model.
These threads said that the 770 wouldn't benefit from the extra 2gb ram because it would run out of horsepower, is that true?

that's kinda true. See if your using a single 1080p monitor, then the extra 2gb vram doesnt help much, if at all, if you're using dual-triple monitor setup or are using a single 1440p display, then the extra 2gb does help, the vram is just the space to store things that have to be rendered...if you plan to sli (maybe for an upgrade) then you should definitely get the 4gb version....so single monitor/ 1080p..get 2gb, multiple monitor/ 1440p/ sli configurations, get 4gb

....what people mean by running out of horsepower isnt that the card simply doesnt have enough power to handle 4gb vram, its that the card will never need more than 4gb...its not fast enough to utilize 4gb of data every second or whatever...

So I would be more future proof if I buy a 4gb model because I am planning on sli in future upgrades but these may take quite a lot of time to happen.

yep, for sli configurations 4gb vram per card is very beneficial...if you're planning to add another 4gb 770 lets say 2 years down the line

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