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June 10, 2014 10:09:54 PM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tZy4Bm
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wxGLwP
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/syKqBm
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PR8Gxr
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WQvjNG
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PR8Gxr
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WQvjNG
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4TRVGX -favorite one (XxD34THxX's recommendation)
A bunch of examples of what I'm looking for.I wouldnt mind a mid sized case...heck I'll buy a WD drive(breaking my 1 rule) if the price is right. I'm not married Intel or AMD so which ever processor is fine. Doesnt need to be a quad core either.Light gaming(Anything below a R7 260x is fine). What do you guys think?

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June 10, 2014 10:25:28 PM

I'm a bit confused by the builds. Some have monitors, some have operating systems, some are $430 while other $500. I'm assuming you made another thread but I don't know why wouldn't add a link to it :p 
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June 10, 2014 10:47:10 PM

Ahh, ok thank you :) 

Well, is there a max you have? There is quite a large difference between a $300 and $400 build. :) 

I made this anyways but things can be adjusted.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Celeron G1820 2.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($47.99 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($55.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $497.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-11 01:41 EDT-0400)

The g1820 is similar to the g3220, maybe 10% less power. So you will only have a bottle neck if you are trying to play really intensive games at high settings. You can always just lower them if you notice this. Understand this is meant to be a temporary CPU, you can upgrade it to an i5 when you can.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2042472/270-pent...

That r9 270 is a nice card at it's price right now and you will be able to play many games at decent settings
BF4 benchmarks (you won't get that high because of your CPU, but you will know what your GPU is capable of)
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2037094/g3420-bo...

I can't recommend that $20 power supply that others have linked as it's actually fairly new and untested.

Added 2x4 1600 ram because it runs better in dual than in a single 1x8gb.

If you have any questions feel free to ask. I don't think you will get a better deal for $500 though. :) 
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June 10, 2014 11:00:52 PM

I didnt realize PowerColor had the R9 270 so cheap. I do have one question though. If you were to go for an AMD processor which direction would you go in? Everything else looks great and I appreciate the help on the PSU. Definitely something I dont want to be low quality. As far as the price range it definitely doesnt have to be 300. I think 400 is about where you can build something decent.
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June 10, 2014 11:45:06 PM

Well, you can't do serious gaming on an FM2+ build, so for a $500 build probably some fx-41xx series with the r9 270, but I personally like to keep things upgradable.
Here is the current problem with AMD AM3+ though, it's more than likely going to be replaced and so it will be "dead". ( fm2+ will supposedly replace it )

So you have a fx4100 at $88, an fx6300 at $115 and a fx8320 at $140.
Compare that to the g1820 at $50, a i3-41xx for $130 and a decent i5 for like $170-190
There is a $60 difference from the low level cpu to high level cpu for AMD and $120+ for intel.

So it makes the 6300/8320 appealing in the $550-750 range when you can't afford the i5 builds yet but you can over clock the AMD cpus. This is the only budget range where I find AMD really stands a chance vs intel.
That's about all I can say about that :p  (it's just my opinion)

About some of the builds you linked; those FM2 builds that you linked is that they are a dead socket, you would need to change the boards to FM2+ and you would still be compatible at least. FM2+ is newer and will be supported for long awhile.

You really need a $600-700 PC to be set for gaming. Since you mentioned you are a "light" gamer I thought this would work well for you.

I just made some $300 builds (sadly lol) for a guy in another thread, it will have some very "nice" responses I'm sure hehe.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2176331/buildi...
Impossible to game on a $300 PC, even $400 is depressing, unless you are just playing flash games or something really basic but I just made it so people can learn a bit about computers and what budgets work and which don't :p 
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June 11, 2014 12:20:29 AM

jaraldo said:
Well, you can't do serious gaming on an FM2+ build, so for a $500 build probably some fx-41xx series with the r9 270, but I personally like to keep things upgradable.
Here is the current problem with AMD AM3+ though, it's more than likely going to be replaced and so it will be "dead". ( fm2+ will supposedly replace it )

So you have a fx4100 at $88, an fx6300 at $115 and a fx8320 at $140.
Compare that to the g1820 at $50, a i3-41xx for $130 and a decent i5 for like $170-190
There is a $60 difference from the low level cpu to high level cpu for AMD and $120+ for intel.

So it makes the 6300/8320 appealing in the $550-750 range when you can't afford the i5 builds yet but you can over clock the AMD cpus. This is the only budget range where I find AMD really stands a chance vs intel.
That's about all I can say about that :p  (it's just my opinion)

About some of the builds you linked; those FM2 builds that you linked is that they are a dead socket, you would need to change the boards to FM2+ and you would still be compatible at least. FM2+ is newer and will be supported for long awhile.

You really need a $600-700 PC to be set for gaming. Since you mentioned you are a "light" gamer I thought this would work well for you.

I just made some $300 builds (sadly lol) for a guy in another thread, it will have some very "nice" responses I'm sure hehe.
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-2176331/buildi...
Impossible to game on a $300 PC, even $400 is depressing, unless you are just playing flash games or something really basic but I just made it so people can learn a bit about computers and what budgets work and which don't :p 


That is extremely depressing. Although I forgot to mention I do have a gaming build(1st one). So this second one doesnt need to be gaming intensive.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FP2Kcf (build 1)

So as far as this build goes
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/WQvjNG

Would that combo fall under the guildlines you were saying at the end as far as FM2+?
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June 11, 2014 12:34:55 AM

Well it's totally up to you, again this is my opinion.

Check out how the best fm2+ APUs are in BF4 on medium settings. (remember, the one I showed you can do medium/high)
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2014/01/30/amd-a1...
I'm pretty sure the r7 250x can get better scores than the APUs from AMD :p  (but don't quote me on that!)

Could you explain to me a bit about your "gaming build 1st" and "gaming build 2nd"? the idea behind it would help me understand a bit more.
(your build 1 has quite a few problems though :X, but i'll get to that after)

Just for something to think about, the build I gave you can start out far better than your build 2, and actually be transformed into something close to your build 1.

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June 11, 2014 12:41:18 AM

Build 1 is the gaming system that's basically replacing my consoles. I'm guessing your not a fan of the 3 drives(running Raid 5), the graphics card and the Z87 motherboard. The build 2 is daily work use/gaming/fun and keeping me busy.
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June 11, 2014 12:54:18 AM

Ahh ok, Gotcha :) 

I've just never needed raid, don't know much about it other than the basics. Though for $15 more dollars you could get 1.5tb extra :p 

But was mostly the mobo being not for overclocking and the CPU being for overclocking.

Your PSU is pretty over kill to but making my first build I got that PSU to and I love it anyways. For the amount I leave my computer on though I should have got a gold rated one though.

I understand your difference in builds now. Well what kind of work do you do? It's just like office stuff or do you need certain hardware for something in your build 2? Not sure a r9 270 is needed in that kind of build (but it should it cheap!)
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June 11, 2014 1:06:38 AM

I like the speed that I'm getting from them in Raid 5. Yeah the PSU is overkill but that's the area I wanted to leave plenty of room. Better to be above what you need than barely scraping by or below the amount of power you need. The Z87 was sort of a too early buy. In reality I should have went in a different direction with the board. It's on the list of upgrades I need to do at some point.
No its just basic office stuff. Nothing demanding like video editing or something along those lines. The R9 270 isnt a "need" but it's definitely on the list for that price. Almost as much as the R7 260x was. One thing though on the the build you recommended. The MSI motherboard does seem to have quite a few bad ratings. I was going to go in that direction for the first build but the reviews made me shy away from it. It almost seems to be 50/50 with them. Are there any other boards you would recommend along with the Processor?
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June 11, 2014 1:15:52 AM

Well, I mean say, you put a r9 280x in your build 1, it would take around 218w at peak I think. Your i5, if left at stock, will be 84w. Your build might not take more than 310w. I'd sooner get a 750w and have the option to overclock and SLI if need be. I know I saw a gold rated 750w for $90 recently.

About the MSI board, well find me a board with close to 85-90% rating of 5 stars with over 50-100 reviews (a fair amount for a statistic)

I doubt you will find such a thing. :)  Mother boards are the most confusing part next to maybe the PSU. For example, I bet some of those reviews people bought newer parts with older boards and there was some bios issue that caused things to go nuts. They just blame it on the board though :) 

Either way, now that I know your situation I can adjust things a bit.
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June 11, 2014 1:24:47 AM

jaraldo said:
Well, I mean say, you put a r9 280x in your build 1, it would take around 218w at peak I think. Your i5, if left at stock, will be 84w. Your build might not take more than 310w. I'd sooner get a 750w and have the option to overclock and SLI if need be. I know I saw a gold rated 750w for $90 recently.

About the MSI board, well find me a board with close to 85-90% rating of 5 stars with over 50-100 reviews (a fair amount for a statistic)

I doubt you will find such a thing. :)  Mother boards are the most confusing part next to maybe the PSU. For example, I bet some of those reviews people bought newer parts with older boards and there was some bios issue that caused things to go nuts. They just blame it on the board though :) 

Either way, now that I know your situation I can adjust things a bit.



Yeah that could be true too. Finding a PSU was a little bit of a pain on the 1st build. Lot of recommendations. But so far so good with this one. The 750 and SLI will definitely be on the adjustment list for build 1 at a later date.

Looking forward to the adjustments and I appreciate you working through this with me.
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June 11, 2014 1:39:34 AM

:)  Well some people never get around to doing SLI anyways, it's better to just upgrade to a better single card. So maybe a 620w is more correct for your build.

One idea that pops into my head is that maybe we could trade the r9 270 in this build for the r7 260 in your computer. I'll do some experimenting and see what I can figure out :p 

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June 11, 2014 1:42:49 AM

Sounds like a great idea
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June 11, 2014 2:55:38 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Celeron G1820 2.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($47.99 @ Mwave)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-P33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($36.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: HIS Radeon R9 280 3GB IceQ OC Video Card ($189.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $522.92
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-11 05:49 EDT-0400)

Lol, looks funny to see a r9 280 in a budget build :p 

The r9 280 is only $60 more and I think it would fit your build 1 a lot better, just as your r7 260x would fit this build 2 much better.
The PSU will be fine if only a r7 260 will be in it for light gaming.
Since it's just an office computer, I downgraded to 320gb.

I was going to down grade to only 4gb to but...ram is transferable to other systems and it does kind of speed things up more than 4gb.

I downgraded that stuff because you seemed hesitant about going over $500, but I think the r9 280 would fit your build 1 much nicer while turning putting your build 2 in the office machine category. I wasn't sure if you needed a CD drive. If you don't use on, you can just borrow the cd drive from your build 1 to install all the initial drivers.

Another thing to mention, I would have gone with an fm2+ build had your r7 260x been able to crossfire with an AMD apu, unfortunately, only r7 240/250's can do this.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2025825/amd-a10-...
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June 11, 2014 3:07:52 AM

Awesome thanks jaraldo. Non worries on the cd drive. Going over 500 isnt that big of an issue. Just one last thing. What would the fm2 build look like with the crossfire 250s? Thanks man
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June 11, 2014 12:44:58 PM

Enjoy your new build :) 

It'll be better than many of the office computers other people have :p 
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June 11, 2014 1:00:06 PM

Thanks man I appreciate all the help!
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