New Gaming PC

Nagalf · Jun 11, 2014

Good afternoon,
I wonder what you guys think of this pc for gaming and so some light work.
The main games that i will play are BF4 and this type and some online games like Guild Wars 2 or the new ones .
The compunentes are these:

- PROCESSADOR INTEL I5 4570 3.2GHZ 6MB SKT 1150 BOX
- ASROCK H87M PRO4 SKT 1150
- MSI RADEON R9 270 TWINFROZR GAMING 2GB GDDR5
- G.SKILL PC3-12800 1600MHZ 8GB RIPJAWS CL9 (2X4GB) DDR3
- XFX TS SERIES 550W 80PLUS BRONZE
- ASUS DRW-24F1ST SATA BLACK BULK
- WESTERN DIGITAL CAVIAR BLUE 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA III 3.5
- ASUS VS247H-P LED 23.6"
- MICROSOFT WINDOWS 8.1 64 BITS PT OEM
- COOLER MASTER CM STORM DEVASTATOR LAYOUT PT
- COOLER MASTER N200 USB 3.0

Don't putt a better GPU since they lower the price over time and after one year, i can buy a lot better and cheaper than this now.
This GPU reviews is a great surprise in terms of performance.
I wonder what you guys think about the PSU and Mobo. They are suitable for this type of pc.
Tell me what you think of the monitor to play.
If you guys have any better suggestion please tell me.

The store where I will make the purchase is: http://www.alientech.pt

Sorry if my english is not the best.

Thank's

badboyrog2 · Jun 11, 2014

ok you live in portugal .. so i will check for a rig for you , but i need to know your budget first
what is your budget?

BigBadBeef · Jun 11, 2014

I say ASUS H97 PLUS,
XEON E3-1231v3
Radeon R7 265 (buy another one later and get R9 280X equal performance through crossfire)
Cruical memory 16GB 1600MHz
WD green 1TB.

The rest is the same.

Nagalf · Jun 11, 2014

badboyrog2 :

Around 930€ with everything. Monitor, OS and keyboard with mouse.
Of it is an Intel rig iam not interested in OC of it os an AMD rig i need to OC for better performance.
The rig i made on this post is around 930€.
If you can do a equal performance rig like that but more cheaper i want it

Vic 40 · Jun 11, 2014

The build looks good to me.
If you look carefully could you maybe find a r9 270X for the same price.
For a r9 270 would i look at the gigabyte version="Gigabyte GV-R9270OC-2GD",it needs two power connectors which makes it better for overclocking.A thread about that,
http://www.overclock.net/t/1449757/gigabyte-r9-270-overclocking-ability
The psu and motherboard are good choices,no need to change those.With that psu could you even power a r9 290 with that cpu in the build.

Nagalf · Jun 11, 2014

Vic 40 :

I chose the MSI because of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMiUx5rbx6I
And besides ths video some reviews say that this MSI is very quite and also have a good cooling system.

And what about the monitor that i chose? It is good for gaming?

badboyrog2 · Jun 11, 2014

Processador Intel i5 4570 3.2GHz 6MB Skt 1150 Box 172,25€
ASRock H97M PRO4 SKT 1150 ASRock H97M PRO4 SKT 1150 78,55€
G.Skill PC3-19200 2400MHz 8GB Sniper CL11 (2x4GB) DDR3 85,25€
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA III 3.5 49,35€
Corsair CX600W 600W 80PLUS BRONZE 62,55€
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo 27,65€
SAPPHIRE Radeon R9 270X DUAL-X OC WITH BOOST 2GB GDDR5 175,65€
Zalman Z11 Plus 58,80€
MICROSOFT WINDOWS 8.1 64 BITS PT OEM 92,00€
Gigabyte KM6150 Layout PT 13,95€
ASUS VS247H-P LED 23.6" 162,80€

TOTAL: 977,10€

well it look like you calculated a tight budget
i did somes changes depending your budget , i hope it can help?
but there is nothing in performance improvement , but a better hardwares on some item

Nagalf · Jun 11, 2014

badboyrog2 :

Can you explain me some of the changes?
- The mobo why you chose a h97? What are the diferences between the h97 and the h87?
- That Ram is 2400Mhz but it is CL11 and i heard that CL9 is better and the improvement from 1600Mhz to 2400Mhz in games are 3 FPS, more or less, from what i heard.
- The PSU i heard in this forum that corsair CX is not the best PSU for gaming and the XFX is better. Iam wrong?
- I need a aftermarket cooler if iam not planing to OC?
- That mouse and keyboard dont have led on keyboards and i think the other os better for gaming than that.
- The case is a mid case and can put ATX Mobo on it but with a micro-atx mobo i thought was better a mini-case.
- About the GPU i didnt chose the r9 270x because i can buy a 280x for exemple after a year much cheaper then now and it is remain a good card after 1 year.

badboyrog2 · Jun 11, 2014

(The mobo why you chose a h97? ) sorry i did a mistake ...i choosen a h97 because at the begining i choosen the new i5 4690 , but when i saw the price i changed my idea and take the i5 4570 instead , so your are fine with the h87 chipset
its my mistake

(That Ram is 2400Mhz but it is CL11 and i heard that CL9 is better and the improvement from 1600Mhz to 2400Mhz)
actually almost all 2400 mhz memory have a CL10/CL11 , so no choice , but give a try with a 2133 mhz memory , you can find some CL 9 and up....
1600 mhz is the slower ram available on the market , and the price of the 2133 or 1866 are almost the same those day

(The PSU i heard in this forum that corsair CX is not the best PSU for gaming and the XFX is better. Iam wrong?)

yes and no...i mean i have 3 corsair cx series at home since 2 years and i never had any problem and they still running like a hell ( i have two cx 500 and one cx 750M ) i play ubisoft splinter cell game each week , but its true about the xfx psu that are good , and they are cheaper then seasonic it depend on each experiences

(I need a aftermarket cooler if iam not planing to OC?)
i always suggest an aftermarket cpu cooler even if you overclock or not , because the stock cooler are always crapy and with the time they lost their effectivity

(That mouse and keyboard dont have led on keyboards and i think the other os better for gaming than that.)
no of course this combo key/mice does not have a led system , and its not even a gaming combo ...but with the budget you have , i can not do better

(The case is a mid case and can put ATX Mobo on it)
of course why not? it does not mean is a mid-case you should install only a micro-atx mobo

Nagalf · Jun 11, 2014

badboyrog2 :

Ok you have some valid points.
- The Ram are almost at the same price and this one only cost more 3 or 4 euros more than the other, see if it is good (http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?cPath=180_28_67&products_id=25027)
But my h87 Mobo only suports Ram to 1600Mhz so if i chose this one i can only run it at 1600Mhz right?
- The PSU i think i will maintain the XFX
- About the cpu cooler maybe i will buy an aftermarket one but can you recomend a cheapest one since i wont do OC.
- The mouse and keyboard (http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?products_id=23246) i think it is better and not much more expensive. The leds are good when iam in the dark.
- About the case i think i will keep the previous one because is cheaper and also good from what i saw.

Another question is: My CPU (i5 4570 haswell) works on that Mobo with the factory bios?
If you have something to lower the price like another screen or mobo that works fine to me say it please.

BigBadBeef · Jun 12, 2014

DDR3 above the speeds of 1866 MHz sacrifices response times in exchange for speed. H97 is the newest platform for Intel CPU's and will support those that haven't been released in the future. When your CPU becomes obsolete, you won't need a new mobo to update your system.

Nagalf · Jun 12, 2014

BigBadBeef :

True, but i dont need to update my sistem in a long time and when i need a better CPU i can buy a better i5 or go to i7. Only after many years i will need to change the mobo and the CPU.
And in gaming the response time from RAM ia better the the speed. Or iam wrong?

Nagalf · Jun 12, 2014

Anothere thing i want to know is the diference between the WD blue and the green ir black. Witch ia better?

Vic 40 · Jun 12, 2014

For a cooler,
http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?cPath=180_27_74&products_id=20729
(The stock one should do for at least a while,keeping it clean will help too)

I don't think you need to change ram,as you said do these "H" chipset motherboards not support higher speeds.
The xfx psu is a good choice.

For a Hdd just get this one,
http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?cPath=180_9_52&products_id=18578
or this one,
http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?cPath=180_9_52&products_id=16615

If you want a "mid tower" can you put a m-atx motherboard in that,but i would pick an atx in that case.
If you don't mind a m-atx case is imo the N200 a good choice.

In the end is your first build a nice one if you don't mind that it is m-atx.You have to keep an eye on the budget,it's easy to go over.

badboyrog2 · Jun 12, 2014

''But my h87 Mobo only suports Ram to 1600Mhz so if i chose this one i can only run it at 1600Mhz right?)

your right! sorry again ...i think i was a little bit tired when i answered your question HIHI!!
usualy i did not mistakes like that

so the max ram is 1600mhz like you said and even with the h97 mobo still 1600 mhz max

Nagalf · Jun 12, 2014

badboyrog2 :

LOL you was very tired so. Two mistakes on the same thread XD

About that CPU cooler (http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?cPath=180_27_74&products_id=20729) it dont suport LGA 1150 socket only LGA1366/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA775. So i need a diferent CPU cooler.

And about the monitor. This one (http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?products_id=22043) is good for gaming?
You may say anothere monitor that is as good or better and cheaper?

Iam open to sugestions.

Nagalf · Jun 12, 2014

Vic 40 :

You saw that video that i put here about the MSI GPU? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMiUx5rbx6I
What you think about it?

Vic 40 · Jun 12, 2014

The cooler supports lga 1155/56 which have the same mounting holes as the 1150,the cooler should fit.The hyper 212 evo is about €8 more.

Will look at the monitor,but this one should do fine.Best to find some reviews about it=>google.

Haven't looked at that video,the r9 270 does just abit worse than the r9 270X which in turn is a bit worse than the gtx 760.The r9 270 will do fine i'm sure.
There are always better options,if this one fitts your budget is it a good choice.

For the monitor i probably would go for the next one,
http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?cPath=184_279_280&products_id=19804
just a few € more.
or this ips monitor for better colors
http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?cPath=184_279_280&products_id=24126,

If you really wanted to save what you can could you go for this cpu,
http://www.alientech.pt/product_info.php?cPath=180_1_371&products_id=22928
that will do just fine.

Nagalf · Jun 12, 2014

Vic 40 :

I think i will chose that monitor instead.
About that CPU i can put it on that Mobo with the factory bios or i have to update it before?
And if i have to update i need a cpu before that right?

Vic 40 · Jun 12, 2014

Nagalf :

In case of my choice will it (i assume your original choice) need bios 1.50 which is already from 8-7-2013 so i can't imagine that when you buy it it won't have that bios.
By now are they already at bios 2.10 from 27-5-2014,the one before this (2.00) is from 17-12-2013,i assume it will at least come with that one.
Your choice of cpu is supported form the start.

Nagalf · Jun 12, 2014

Vic 40 :

Nagalf :

In case of my choice will it (i assume your original choice) need bios 1.50 which is already from 8-7-2013 so i can't imagine that when you buy it it won't have that bios.
By now are they already at bios 2.10 from 27-5-2014,the one before this (2.00) is from 17-12-2013,i assume it will at least come with that one.
Your choice of cpu is supported form the start.

Ok thank you

One more thing. Where you see that information about the mobo bios?

Vic 40 · Jun 12, 2014

Here,
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H87M%20Pro4/?cat=Download&os=BIOS

Nagalf · Jun 12, 2014

Vic 40 :

Ok thank you all for the hints

Vic 40 · Jun 13, 2014

You're welcome.

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