Building a video-editing/gaming pc (max 1800$)

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Hey everybody, I could really use some help building a new pc for video editing/gaming.
This is what I plan on getting so far:

Case: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BCXF6JE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_10?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Psu : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A0HZMEM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_9?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Cpu : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CO8TBNS/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Gpu : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D3F7CFK/ref=ox_sc_act_title_6?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Ram : 2x http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D2LGRO2/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (total 32GB)
SSD : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E3W15P0/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER and http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E3W1726/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER.
Mobo : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CRJVZOM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2YLYLTN75J8LR
Cpu cooler : http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005O65JXI/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

I'm using a http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IEZGW8C/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER for a monitor and I already have an optical drive + a http://www.amazon.com/WD-Blue-Desktop-Hard-Drive/dp/B0088PUEPK/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1402501132&sr=1-1&keywords=caviar+blue for storage.
Gonna use 2 SSD's one for my projects(120GB) and one for main(250GB).

Thing is that I would prefer to save some money for other purposes so do you think that 32GB or Ram is too much? Do I really need the Cpu cooler? And could you please suggest a cheaper PSU or should I stick to this one.

Any advice is much appreciated, thank you very much for your time.

 
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If you're not interested in overclocking, you're wasting a TON of money on the motherboard and i7:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($86.66 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($134.99...
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Yes sorry,

Case: Coolermaster Storm Stryker (full tower)
Psu : Corsair Professional Series 760 Watt ATX/EPS Modular 80 PLUS Platinum Power Supply AX760
Cpu: Intel Core i7-4770 Quad-Core Desktop Processor 3.4 GHZ LGA 1150 8 MB Cache
Gpu : ASUS GTX770-DC2OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX770 2GB GDDR5 256-bit
Ram : 2x Corsair Vengeance Pro Series 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3 1866 MHZ
SSD : Samsung Electronics 840 EVO-Series 120GB 2.5-Inch SATA III
SSD: Samsung Electronics 840 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5-Inch SATA III
Mobo: Asus Sabertooth Z87 LGA 1150 Motherboard
Cpu cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO

and I'm using a Samsung 27-Inch Wide Viewing Angle LED Monitor (S27D590P).

Forgot to mention I'm not interested in overclocking.
 
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Left money in the budget for another 16GB of RAM if you need it.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($339.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($126.00 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($469.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1630.90
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-11 12:05 EDT-0400)

The i7-4790k runs cooler, and overclocks better than the original Haswell chips, and with the Noctua D14 you can overclock it really far. The 780 will also help greatly in Adobe, and will max out games at 1080p easily :)
 
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You are aaprobably right about the RAM, but as for the CPU I think I'll stick to the i7-4770-like I said I'm not interested in overclocking :). Thank you for your reply!
 
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If you're not interested in overclocking, you're wasting a TON of money on the motherboard and i7:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper TX3 54.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($86.66 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($134.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($469.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Corsair 450D ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1396.54
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-11 12:54 EDT-0400)
 
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A few things:

1) You don't need to send 120 bucks on a PSU, and 760w sounds overkill unless maybe you use like 3+ GPUs, people tend to overrate the neccessary wattage. A 550w one @ ~$35 should be plenty.

Additionally modular GPUs are overrated (just use adapters, you can pull the power for several devices off 1 molex/ SATA power connector).


2) I'd suggest you go for the older but more meaty Gigabyte Z87X-UD7 TH - its a beast of a motherboard. In my opinion it's better than the Z97X-UD7 TH.

Advantages:
- 6 sata III @ 6gb/s
- 4 gsata III @ 6gb/s
- Intergrated graphics, 2 hdmi outputs (97 has 1)
- Tone of other stuff like firewire, 10 usb 3.0; 4 usb 2.0
- Supports up to 7.1 surrond sound through intergrated audio.
- Supports up to four 3000MHz super fast ddr3 ram
- Comes with wifi+bluetooth expansion card

PCI-E: - up to 4 gpu support
3x pci-express x16 slots! (97 has 1!) all running @ x16 (pci-e 3.0)
2x pci-e x16 slots running at x80 (pci-e 3.0)
2x pci-e x1 slots. (pci-e 2.0)
Disadvantages:
- SUPPORTS UP TO the current 4th gen processors (the newer z97x supports next gen 5th gen intel processors)
- More expensive
- Doesn't have the single eSATA 10gb/s (don't ask me why they didn't raise it to the current max eSATA speed of 12gb/s) that the z97x has.
- Doesn't have vga - unlike the z97x (instead it has an extra hdmi output port) - if your monitors vga you can always use your gpu's vga output or get an adapter (or hdmi to vga cable)


3) Most games can't take advantage of 8gb+ of ram.
IF you decide to go with 8gbs you have two options:
A - get 1x8gb module (allowing you to reuse it no matter what (well w/o it having been damage before anyways xD)
B - get 2x4gb modules to take advantge of duel memory.


NOTE IF YOU GO FOR EITHER THE Z87X OR Z97X YOU WILL NEED A MORE EXPESIVE FULL TOWER PC CASE FOR THE E-ATX MOTHERBOARD (2-4 times the price of a small or midi-case for a mesily extra few inchs at the bottom) (some high range midi cases can just fit it; though it's not recommended)
 
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1) 760w is NOT for 3 GPUs, that's good for a couple of GPUs, and not enough for a couple of 290/x... And a $35 550w PSU is NOT a good choice AT ALL. Any of the good quality ones are AT LEAST $50+, ESPECIALLY if overclocking.

2) The UD7 is extremely overpriced for what he's looking at here. He certainly doesn't need quad-GPU support, and considering you're recommending a poor quality power supply able to handle a single GPU, not sure why you're using that as a selling point. You're wanting to skimp on the power supply - THE most important part of a high-end system - and blow a ton of money for NO reason on a motherboard he doesn't need AT ALL, especially when he would need to blow even more money on a case to fit it.

3) He certainly needs more than 8GB of RAM, did you miss the title? The first thing he mentioned was for video-editing. 16GB is pretty much minimum here.

You need to get your priorities straight for a video editing/gaming build.
 
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1) Not true, I have a colorsit 550w gold cooler and it's still going almost a decade later and can supply power to all my equipment. The likelihood of needing to use past 2 GPUs for video editing is slim at best.

2) You can get great deals for the Z87X off ebay as it's an older model, I got a 3rd off (including all accessories and updated to latest BIOS) . And unlike the Z97X it can actually run 3 of it's GPUs at full x16 speed and 1 at x8, unlike the Z97x which can only run 1 GPU at x16 and 3 at x8. It is worth the money. The cooling is also great.

3) Up to the person buying it. I don't think you really need 16gb for video editing truthfully. The benefits will be minimalistic for the price. I would think you would be better off getting faster access/ frequencies than getting a second module of 8gb.

He says 'video editing/ gaming' - furthermore most games (except crisis etc.) can't even take advantage of past 8Gb, it's common knowledge.
 
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You're bouncing around here a lot. Just because you had good luck with a crappy power supply doesn't mean a high end system will. To that point, you don't buy a $35 GPU or an $1800 build. It's 100% agreed that the power supply is THE most important piece to the system. The 760w AX PSU he listed is one of the best power supplies on the market, and that kind of quality goes a long way when using high end components.

And you keep bringing up the multi GPU capabilities, which you later say isnt necessary. A $90 H97 board will give him the same performance as a $200+ motherboard with a Iocked CPU, and for the kind of Overclocking this setup would be doing, you don't need that expensive of a motherboard to moderately overclock anyway. And again, you're recommending a 550w power supply then talking about the multi GPU capabilities of the motherboard. Doesn't make any sense here.

8GB of RAM is plenty for gaming yes, I never said it wasn't. I said 16GB is what you want as a minimum for video editing if you're doing anything more than just light editing. I would much rather spend a little more and have more than enough, than save a few bucks and run into swap bottlenecks.
 
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I totally agree that the PSU of a pc is the most important part of a pc. It's far from crappy, don't think if it lasts several years that it should be far from considered 'crappy' in any state of mind. Don't be fooled thinking more expensive is better nor more necessary.

Why would you buy such a high wattage power supply if your H97 motherboard can only run one graphics card at the full x16 speed, but have another 2 GPUs at a heavily bottlenecked x4 speed? If your going with a H97, you'd be better off investing in one great GPU and with one GPU and with no power hungry expansion cards I don't really see the point of going pass 550w.



Also a 760w would be a waste with that motherboard as your other 2 video cards are being heavily diluted in performance.

Many people can manage on 8gb with video editing, unless your going for top end job in terms of editing. Again the RAM topic is up to the pc builder, I would suggest that you upgrade in RAM when you feel it's letting down your system.
 
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Crappy is crappy lol I don't know what to tell you. I agree 760w is more than necessary. And I never said you need multiple gpus, you're the one recommending stuff for the sole purpose of being able to support 3 or 4 gpus. A single high end GPU is plenty to max out 1080p and enough for GPU-accelerated programs. Barring the 290 or 290x I agree, 550w is perfect. For a system running an overclocked 290(x) you want 600-650w, as the 290x can see system peak power draw of almost 500w at times

For longevity, stability and worry-free, you DEFINITELY want a better power supply than some $35 one you can find. You are the ONLY person on here who would ever recommend a $35 PSU on an $1800 build. Crappy power supplies are called crappy, because they can take your entire system with it if it blows. It you want to run that risk with a shoddy PSU go for it, I sure as he'll am not going to recommend a cheap Chinese PSU on high-demanding components like he's looking at.
 
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Calm my bud, you shouldn't take simple tech advice so personally. Forums are a gold mine for knowledge.

can the h97 support 2 gpus at full capacity? no

- If your going to use a single GPU why do you need such a power supply? We do not know if Q wishes to (possibly) sacrifice longevity (won't happen unless you go above 1.5 volts) for extra kick, which wouldn't really need such a powerful psu regardless.

...when did I say it was made in China my friend, it's 100% European :). But that's beside the point, most tech these days are Chinese made any way, so that remark is weightless.

- If you need a high end power supply I would suggest:
amazon = $100

- Also ebay is a good option for great deals (mind to ask them for a warranty and that it is a highly rated supplier)

- The H97 can only take a max of 1600MHz, the Z87X can take almost half the access latency(3000MHz), hence it can take advantage of the single ram sticks like the 2400MHz+ 8Gb ram sticks.
 
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eahh your back :)

1) For long term expandability it is no doubt a plus, don't forget he also said gaming.

2) As I stated before there's little, to no-point in overestimating how much power you will need. The only thing your doing is increasing draw power and hence more heat that needs to be dissipated.

3) it's not a "no-name brand" it's a color-IT, you can get an equivalent one from CIT from amazon.

Pleasure as always :)
 
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CIT is a poor quality brand.

There is a point in over estimating power in watts, but more so in quality. Again, a 290 can be punishing. And getting a 650w over a 550w would put gaming power draw at a higher efficiency, so your argument is completely false there. Having more watts available in a power supply doesn't mean more power draw.

And yes, I will continue to be back as long as you are providing bad information.
 
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CIT is a poor quality brand.

- if they can last several years, with 0% damage caused to a pc system than I can't help but disagree.


There is a point in over estimating power in watts, but more so in quality. Again, a 290 can be punishing. And getting a 650w over a 550w would put gaming power draw at a higher efficiency, so your argument is completely false there. Having more watts available in a power supply doesn't mean more power draw.

- no there isn't, over estimation (and spending money on overpriced psus that perform the exact same function, same efficiency, material (gold plated as per other recommendations) and longevity) is a waste in money which could be saved. I know first hand as I'm reusing my colorsit (a trusted acer psu) in my 1st custom pc build after several years of use.


And yes, I will continue to be back as long as you are providing bad information.

- that is your opinion; I haven't experienced any trouble what so ever with my psu.

Good tech conversation BleedingEdge :)
 
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Again, any knowledgeable person here will agree CIT is a poor brand. You got a lucky one apparently, which is good for you.

Again, a quality power supply is the most important thing. Apparently you're not keen on how power is used, but it's not the average power draw that is critical in looking at a 290(x). It's the peak draw, which as I mentioned earlier, can easily spike near 500w - more than enough to trip protective circuits on a poor quality 550w PSU.

It's not an opinion. Their power supplies use inferior capacitors and power delivery systems. That is a fact, not opinion. There have been countless numbers of people on here trying to diagnose a computer problem that turns out to be a poor power supply.

And your stupid little smug smart-ass endings to your posts aren't helping anything either. You're basing recommendations off of one good experience you've had. I'm basing mine on the experience of many others, and knowledge of quality power supplies. Again, paying an extra $25 to help ensure stability of an $1800 system is definitely a good idea. Why would you buy a bottom-bin power supply (the most important piece of the system) and buy top of the line everything else? Your logic makes no sense.
 
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