Double Router Port Forwarding URGENT

I REALLY NEED HELP. PLEASE HELP IN ANY WAY YOU CAN.

I port forwarded through my Netgear router. Everything was great and fine. Then my ISP sent a new modem and router combination (I think it's referred to as a gateway?). Right when this happened, my ports closed. I had to port forward again... but it wasn't working. I have spent 7+ searching on the internet for the answer and nothing worked.

Basically it seems I have to port forward through both of my routers. Yes, they are both hooked up. They both must be hooked up because the modem/router combo sucks really bad.

If you need any additional info, ask please.

// JB
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  1. jonathanb987 said:
    I REALLY NEED HELP. PLEASE HELP IN ANY WAY YOU CAN.

    I port forwarded through my Netgear router. Everything was great and fine. Then my ISP sent a new modem and router combination (I think it's referred to as a gateway?). Right when this happened, my ports closed. I had to port forward again... but it wasn't working. I have spent 7+ searching on the internet for the answer and nothing worked.

    Basically it seems I have to port forward through both of my routers. Yes, they are both hooked up. They both must be hooked up because the modem/router combo sucks really bad.

    If you need any additional info, ask please.

    // JB


    For one or the other, you have to turn off most of the router functions. Specifically, DHCP.
    What about the new one sucks?
  2. okay i will help you as best as i can starting off with what router modem combo is it and what internet provider do you have?
  3. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    I REALLY NEED HELP. PLEASE HELP IN ANY WAY YOU CAN.

    I port forwarded through my Netgear router. Everything was great and fine. Then my ISP sent a new modem and router combination (I think it's referred to as a gateway?). Right when this happened, my ports closed. I had to port forward again... but it wasn't working. I have spent 7+ searching on the internet for the answer and nothing worked.

    Basically it seems I have to port forward through both of my routers. Yes, they are both hooked up. They both must be hooked up because the modem/router combo sucks really bad.

    If you need any additional info, ask please.

    // JB


    For one or the other, you have to turn off most of the router functions. Specifically, DHCP.
    What about the new one sucks?


    Anonymous said:
    okay i will help you as best as i can starting off with what router modem combo is it and what internet provider do you have?


    I have Comcast. Not sure what it is called.
  4. from the main router combo, set the 2nd router in the dmz zone, therefore all the ports are open on the 2nd router, and then port forward on there.

    if the main router combo doesn't have dmz, then iunno.
  5. getochkn said:
    from the main router combo, set the 2nd router in the dmz zone, therefore all the ports are open on the 2nd router, and then port forward on there.

    if the main router combo doesn't have dmz, then iunno.


    How can I tell which is the main?
  6. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    I REALLY NEED HELP. PLEASE HELP IN ANY WAY YOU CAN.

    I port forwarded through my Netgear router. Everything was great and fine. Then my ISP sent a new modem and router combination (I think it's referred to as a gateway?). Right when this happened, my ports closed. I had to port forward again... but it wasn't working. I have spent 7+ searching on the internet for the answer and nothing worked.

    Basically it seems I have to port forward through both of my routers. Yes, they are both hooked up. They both must be hooked up because the modem/router combo sucks really bad.

    If you need any additional info, ask please.

    // JB


    For one or the other, you have to turn off most of the router functions. Specifically, DHCP.
    What about the new one sucks?


    The other one has EXTREMELY slow internet speed and terrible connection.
  7. jonathanb987 said:
    getochkn said:
    from the main router combo, set the 2nd router in the dmz zone, therefore all the ports are open on the 2nd router, and then port forward on there.

    if the main router combo doesn't have dmz, then iunno.


    How can I tell which is the main?


    The 'main one' is the one closest to the cable coming in from the wall.
  8. jonathanb987 said:


    The other one has EXTREMELY slow internet speed and terrible connection.


    Most current consumer grade modem/routers all use the same 2 or 3 chipsets, so performance is pretty similar, all else being equal.

    Specifically, what is it not doing?
    Wired or wireless?
    What is telling you it is 'slow'?
  9. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    getochkn said:
    from the main router combo, set the 2nd router in the dmz zone, therefore all the ports are open on the 2nd router, and then port forward on there.

    if the main router combo doesn't have dmz, then iunno.


    How can I tell which is the main?


    The 'main one' is the one closest to the cable coming in from the wall.


    Is there a way I can determine this on the computer? One router's IP in 192.168.1.1 and the other is 10.0.0.1 (Those are the IP's right?)
  10. jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    getochkn said:
    from the main router combo, set the 2nd router in the dmz zone, therefore all the ports are open on the 2nd router, and then port forward on there.

    if the main router combo doesn't have dmz, then iunno.


    How can I tell which is the main?


    The 'main one' is the one closest to the cable coming in from the wall.


    Is there a way I can determine this on the computer? One router's IP in 192.168.1.1 and the other is 10.0.0.1 (Those are the IP's right?)


    Look at the actual wiring. The wire coming from the wall goes to one or the other. The other device is then (apparently) plugged into that one.
  11. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    getochkn said:
    from the main router combo, set the 2nd router in the dmz zone, therefore all the ports are open on the 2nd router, and then port forward on there.

    if the main router combo doesn't have dmz, then iunno.


    How can I tell which is the main?


    The 'main one' is the one closest to the cable coming in from the wall.


    Is there a way I can determine this on the computer? One router's IP in 192.168.1.1 and the other is 10.0.0.1 (Those are the IP's right?)


    Look at the actual wiring. The wire coming from the wall goes to one or the other. The other device is then (apparently) plugged into that one.


    The setup is hard to get to. I am pretty sure that the main is the router/modem combo.
  12. jonathanb987 said:


    The setup is hard to get to. I am pretty sure that the main is the router/modem combo.


    Probably.
    But having 2 'routers' can be a PITA. In a home network, you only want one to be doing all the main functions.
  13. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:


    The setup is hard to get to. I am pretty sure that the main is the router/modem combo.


    Probably.
    But having 2 'routers' can be a PITA. In a home network, you only want one to be doing all the main functions.


    What is that? (I'm not good with this stuff, sorry.)
  14. jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:


    The setup is hard to get to. I am pretty sure that the main is the router/modem combo.


    Probably.
    But having 2 'routers' can be a PITA. In a home network, you only want one to be doing all the main functions.


    What is that? (I'm not good with this stuff, sorry.)


    PITA = Pain in the Ass.
  15. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:


    The setup is hard to get to. I am pretty sure that the main is the router/modem combo.


    Probably.
    But having 2 'routers' can be a PITA. In a home network, you only want one to be doing all the main functions.


    What is that? (I'm not good with this stuff, sorry.)


    PITA = Pain in the Ass.


    *facepalm* Okay. Let me try to get this working and I'll get back to you. I know how to set the DMZ (I think).
  16. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:


    The setup is hard to get to. I am pretty sure that the main is the router/modem combo.


    Probably.
    But having 2 'routers' can be a PITA. In a home network, you only want one to be doing all the main functions.


    What is that? (I'm not good with this stuff, sorry.)


    PITA = Pain in the Ass.


    It is asking me for the IP address of the device I want to place under DMZ. What should go there?
  17. jonathanb987 said:


    It is asking me for the IP address of the device I want to place under DMZ. What should go there?


    Well...let's back up a little before we go all weird on the config.

    How have we determined that the new modem/router is 'crappy'? Going to speedtest.net, wired to the router, what speed do you get? And what are you paying for?
  18. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:


    It is asking me for the IP address of the device I want to place under DMZ. What should go there?


    Well...let's back up a little before we go all weird on the config.

    How have we determined that the new modem/router is 'crappy'? Going to speedtest.net, wired to the router, what speed do you get? And what are you paying for?



    Yes, the new modem/router is very crappy. Enough so that I'd rather not connect to it. Besides, for some reason it is only letting me connect to major websites (Yahoo, google, MSN). The modem/router was given to us, I believe it was given to us for free because of xfinity's new wifi coverage.
  19. jonathanb987 said:

    Yes, the new modem/router is very crappy. Enough so that I'd rather not connect to it. Besides, for some reason it is only letting me connect to major websites (Yahoo, google, MSN). The modem/router was given to us, I believe it was given to us for free because of xfinity's new wifi coverage.


    Routers do not do that, unless there is some reversible setting in there. They do not restrict connections to only those major sites.
  20. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:

    Yes, the new modem/router is very crappy. Enough so that I'd rather not connect to it. Besides, for some reason it is only letting me connect to major websites (Yahoo, google, MSN). The modem/router was given to us, I believe it was given to us for free because of xfinity's new wifi coverage.


    Routers do not do that, unless there is some reversible setting in there. They do not restrict connections to only those major sites.


    It only happens for my pc but it is fine for everyone else.

    Anyway, let's get to the point. I need to have this solved very soon. Hence the URGENT title.
  21. jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:

    Yes, the new modem/router is very crappy. Enough so that I'd rather not connect to it. Besides, for some reason it is only letting me connect to major websites (Yahoo, google, MSN). The modem/router was given to us, I believe it was given to us for free because of xfinity's new wifi coverage.


    Routers do not do that, unless there is some reversible setting in there. They do not restrict connections to only those major sites.


    It only happens for my pc but it is fine for everyone else.

    Anyway, let's get to the point. I need to have this solved very soon. Hence the URGENT title.


    Well then...It would seem to not be a crappy router, but something within your PC !
  22. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:

    Yes, the new modem/router is very crappy. Enough so that I'd rather not connect to it. Besides, for some reason it is only letting me connect to major websites (Yahoo, google, MSN). The modem/router was given to us, I believe it was given to us for free because of xfinity's new wifi coverage.


    Routers do not do that, unless there is some reversible setting in there. They do not restrict connections to only those major sites.


    It only happens for my pc but it is fine for everyone else.

    Anyway, let's get to the point. I need to have this solved very soon. Hence the URGENT title.


    Well then...It would seem to not be a crappy router, but something within your PC !


    I understand. Still, the speed of it is really bad, which I know for a fact. So about the DMZ... Would I get assigning the DMZ to 192.168.1.1?
  23. jonathanb987 said:


    I understand. Still, the speed of it is really bad, which I know for a fact. So about the DMZ... Would I get assigning the DMZ to 192.168.1.1?


    Since everything still flows through this 'crappy' modem/router, the DMZ concept may not actually fix anything.
    Can you post a screencap of what happens at speedtest.net?
  24. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:


    I understand. Still, the speed of it is really bad, which I know for a fact. So about the DMZ... Would I get assigning the DMZ to 192.168.1.1?


    Since everything still flows through this 'crappy' modem/router, the DMZ concept may not actually fix anything.
    Can you post a screencap of what happens at speedtest.net?


  25. And what speed do you pay for?
    Is that wired or WiFi?

    Again...since everything flows through this router, adding another won't change anything. Network performance depends on the speed of the slowest device in the chain.
  26. USAFRet said:
    And what speed do you pay for?
    Is that wired or WiFi?

    Again...since everything flows through this router, adding another won't change anything. Network performance depends on the speed of the slowest device in the chain.


    Not sure what we pay for.
    It is WiFi.
  27. jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    And what speed do you pay for?
    Is that wired or WiFi?

    Again...since everything flows through this router, adding another won't change anything. Network performance depends on the speed of the slowest device in the chain.


    Not sure what we pay for.
    It is WiFi.


    OK. Now we're almost but not quite getting somewhere.
    Find out whatever ISP plan you have. If it is more than 4Mbps down, being WiFi is almost certainly the problem !

    What speed do you get connected via wire to the new modem/router?
  28. Identify the problem before applying a solution
  29. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    And what speed do you pay for?
    Is that wired or WiFi?

    Again...since everything flows through this router, adding another won't change anything. Network performance depends on the speed of the slowest device in the chain.


    Not sure what we pay for.
    It is WiFi.


    OK. Now we're almost but not quite getting somewhere.
    Find out whatever ISP plan you have. If it is more than 4Mbps down, being WiFi is almost certainly the problem !

    What speed do you get connected via wire to the new modem/router?



    I do not have access to the wire. Wifi has been fine for years.

    Sorry, but I'm not seeing how this is going to answer the question. What would the speed have to do with whether I can port forward or not?
  30. jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    And what speed do you pay for?
    Is that wired or WiFi?

    Again...since everything flows through this router, adding another won't change anything. Network performance depends on the speed of the slowest device in the chain.


    Not sure what we pay for.
    It is WiFi.


    OK. Now we're almost but not quite getting somewhere.
    Find out whatever ISP plan you have. If it is more than 4Mbps down, being WiFi is almost certainly the problem !

    What speed do you get connected via wire to the new modem/router?



    I do not have access to the wire. Wifi has been fine for years.

    Sorry, but I'm not seeing how this is going to answer the question. What would the speed have to do with whether I can port forward or not?


    You said the new router is 'crappy'. But is that actually the case?
    Port forwarding through 2 routers is a PITA. Do you actually need to do that? Maybe not! If it will work through the new modem/router, then you do not need the secondary one.

    We need to find out what the actual issue is.
    Sorry if that's not the short answer you're looking for, but that is the right way to get to where you want to be.

    Adding more devices on a bad wifi connection equals a bad connection.
  31. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    And what speed do you pay for?
    Is that wired or WiFi?

    Again...since everything flows through this router, adding another won't change anything. Network performance depends on the speed of the slowest device in the chain.


    Not sure what we pay for.
    It is WiFi.


    OK. Now we're almost but not quite getting somewhere.
    Find out whatever ISP plan you have. If it is more than 4Mbps down, being WiFi is almost certainly the problem !

    What speed do you get connected via wire to the new modem/router?



    I do not have access to the wire. Wifi has been fine for years.

    Sorry, but I'm not seeing how this is going to answer the question. What would the speed have to do with whether I can port forward or not?


    You said the new router is 'crappy'. But is that actually the case?
    Port forwarding through 2 routers is a PITA. Do you actually need to do that? Maybe not! If it will work through the new modem/router, then you do not need the secondary one.

    We need to find out what the actual issue is.
    Sorry if that's not the short answer you're looking for, but that is the right way to get to where you want to be.

    Adding more devices on a bad wifi connection equals a bad connection.


    I've tried port forward JUST on the Netgear router and JUST on the modem/router. Port were closed. I found a more specific port checking website that said it was "filtered".
  32. Take the Netgear completely out of the loop. Port forward through the new modem/router. Does it work?
  33. USAFRet said:
    Take the Netgear completely out of the loop. Port forward through the new modem/router. Does it work?


    I cannot take it out of the loop. Not that I am incapable. I don't make the decisions in the house and it cannot happen.
  34. Then setting up DMZ would seem to be equally problematic. And not fix the presumed problem.
  35. USAFRet said:
    Then setting up DMZ would seem to be equally problematic. And not fix the presumed problem.


    Okay, then what would?

    I know it's possible. I've seen threads in which people successfully did port forward through two routers. Those threads just weren't as similar to my situation to help me.
  36. Yes, it is probably possible. You need to get the two routers set up properly first.
    The second one depending on the first. Static IP address, direct wire from one to the other, one or the other WiFI and DHCP off.

    Once all that is working and you can browse successfully through both, then look to getting the port forwarding transferring through both.
  37. USAFRet said:
    Yes, it is probably possible. You need to get the two routers set up properly first.
    The second one depending on the first. Static IP address, direct wire from one to the other, one or the other WiFI and DHCP off.

    Once all that is working and you can browse successfully through both, then look to getting the port forwarding transferring through both.


    Sorry, but I'm really bad at this. :/

    Is there some sort of step by step thing you could tell me or guide me to?

    For some more information, I need the portforwarding because I run a gaming server with hundreds of players. It is really important to me and them that I figure this out. I'm sorry if I'm not understanding key ideas.

    I feel bad that I'm just not grasping this.
  38. If you're trying to pump a game server for "hundreds of players" through a 3.85Mbps WiFi pipe...there will be issues.

    But, on to the actual issue. Why does the port forwarding work between the two routers...
    If you've seen other people do it, how did they do it? Follow their path.
  39. USAFRet said:
    If you're trying to pump a game server for "hundreds of players" through a 3.85Mbps WiFi pipe...there will be issues.

    But, on to the actual issue. Why does the port forwarding work between the two routers...
    If you've seen other people do it, how did they do it? Follow their path.


    I've tried following their path, but things just didn't work. It doesn't seem to make sense to me.
  40. USAFRet said:
    If you're trying to pump a game server for "hundreds of players" through a 3.85Mbps WiFi pipe...there will be issues.

    But, on to the actual issue. Why does the port forwarding work between the two routers...
    If you've seen other people do it, how did they do it? Follow their path.


    This website (http://www.ipfingerprints.com/portscan.php) says the port is marked "filtered". Meaning "A port is marked as "filtered" when the packets are sent to that port, however packet filtering (e.g., firewall) prevents the packets from reaching that port."
  41. USAFRet said:
    Try some of these:
    Double Router Forwarding http://portforward.com/help/doublerouterportforwarding.htm
    How To Setup Two or More Routers Together (Port Forwarding & Port Triggering) http://www.pcwintech.com/how-setup-two-or-more-routers-together-port-forwarding-port-triggering
    How to port forward behind 2 routers? http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/146099-how-to-port-forward-behind-2-routers/


    I've already tried the first and third...
    I'm trying the second. Thanks for the links.
  42. jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    Try some of these:
    Double Router Forwarding http://portforward.com/help/doublerouterportforwarding.htm
    How To Setup Two or More Routers Together (Port Forwarding & Port Triggering) http://www.pcwintech.com/how-setup-two-or-more-routers-together-port-forwarding-port-triggering
    How to port forward behind 2 routers? http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/146099-how-to-port-forward-behind-2-routers/


    I've already tried the first and third...
    I'm trying the second. Thanks for the links.


    More here.

    search for 'port forwarding 2 routers' (minus the quotes)
  43. USAFRet said:
    jonathanb987 said:
    USAFRet said:
    Try some of these:
    Double Router Forwarding http://portforward.com/help/doublerouterportforwarding.htm
    How To Setup Two or More Routers Together (Port Forwarding & Port Triggering) http://www.pcwintech.com/how-setup-two-or-more-routers-together-port-forwarding-port-triggering
    How to port forward behind 2 routers? http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/146099-how-to-port-forward-behind-2-routers/


    I've already tried the first and third...
    I'm trying the second. Thanks for the links.


    More here.

    search for 'port forwarding 2 routers' (minus the quotes)


    I've tried most of those already. I tried some more... They just aren't helping. This is why I created this thread. Keep in mind my port isn't CLOSED it is filtered.
  44. I know you said 'you can't', but the best way to do this is in stages.

    Reduce the network to the simplest config. 1 router.
    Can you access internally? Ok, move on.
    Port forward through that. Does it work?
    Now add in the second router, in between the first and the server. Does it work from inside the network? If yes, then move on to providing access from outside....port forwarding.

    Tring to make everything work all at the same time, you don't really know what part is failing.
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