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June 14, 2014 3:03:20 AM

I would appreciate if you could create a configuration out of this requirements, baring in mind I live in the UK

I have been given a budget of £800 and am planning to do a decent amount of gaming at 1080p with this pc. I need to start from the ground up so this build should include the PC itself, a monitor and typical computing peripherals. I would be looking at graphics card around the gtx 760 and a cpu around the performance mark of an Intel core I5 4570, with at least 1TB of HDD storage and a respectable amount of SSD storage. Over clocking is not a priority, so please take that it consideration. I am open to both AMD and intel builds and would be interested in anything that can provide great value for money!

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June 14, 2014 3:27:38 AM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£127.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£79.57 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£55.34 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£167.95 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 USB 3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£58.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.11 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£11.74 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor (£146.23 @ Dabs)
Total: £806.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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June 14, 2014 3:35:27 AM

Somthing like that would be over your budget, if you wanted any good mice/keyboards. Are you sure you won't overclock?
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June 14, 2014 3:37:35 AM

I might consider GPU overclocking and maybe CPU overclocking, but my main objective is to ensure that the life is prolonged as much as possible and get the performance i need for 1080p gaming without overclocking
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June 14, 2014 3:38:03 AM

Graphiicz said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£127.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£79.57 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£55.34 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£167.95 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 USB 3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£58.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.11 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£11.74 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor (£146.23 @ Dabs)
Total: £806.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Just get some cheap peripherals for now.


He wanted a ssd as well
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June 14, 2014 3:40:13 AM

Alpha3031 said:
Graphiicz said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£127.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£79.57 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£55.34 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£167.95 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 USB 3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£58.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.11 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£11.74 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor (£146.23 @ Dabs)
Total: £806.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-14 11:27 BST+0100

Just get some cheap peripherals for now.


He wanted a ssd as well


I'm aware. It's not worth sacrificing performance for an SSD. That's something he can easily add at a later date.
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June 14, 2014 3:41:20 AM

Graphiicz said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£127.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£79.57 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£55.34 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£167.95 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 USB 3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£58.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.11 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£11.74 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor (£146.23 @ Dabs)
Total: £806.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-14 11:27 BST+0100

Just get some cheap peripherals for now.


Alpha3031 said:
Graphiicz said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£127.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£79.57 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£55.34 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£167.95 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 USB 3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£58.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.11 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£11.74 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor (£146.23 @ Dabs)
Total: £806.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-14 11:27 BST+0100

Just get some cheap peripherals for now.


He wanted a ssd as well


Are you sure that Intel cpu and AMD gpu will be advisable? Dosen't this create a sticky situation with driver or not?
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June 14, 2014 3:44:07 AM

It's fine, it's not like they relate to each other much
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June 14, 2014 3:46:50 AM

kapflap said:
Graphiicz said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£127.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£79.57 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£55.34 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£167.95 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 USB 3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£58.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.11 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£11.74 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor (£146.23 @ Dabs)
Total: £806.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-14 11:27 BST+0100

Just get some cheap peripherals for now.


Alpha3031 said:
Graphiicz said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£127.19 @ Aria PC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97-D3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£79.57 @ Dabs)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£55.34 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£167.95 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Core 3000 USB 3.0 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£58.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£44.11 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer (£11.74 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: AOC i2367Fh 60Hz 23.0" Monitor (£146.23 @ Dabs)
Total: £806.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-14 11:27 BST+0100

Just get some cheap peripherals for now.


He wanted a ssd as well


Are you sure that Intel cpu and AMD gpu will be advisable? Dosen't this create a sticky situation with driver or not?


No it's fine.
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June 14, 2014 3:47:42 AM

Alpha3031 said:
It's fine, it's not like they relate to each other much


Ok thanks :) 
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June 14, 2014 3:48:49 AM

Here's what I came up with, though I would prefer to get a 280X
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (£53.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H105 73.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£82.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£86.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£56.71 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card (£129.00 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case (£66.50 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£43.92 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£59.00 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: LG 22MP55HQ-P 60Hz 22.0" Monitor (£103.02 @ Amazon UK)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire TK Wired Gaming Keyboard (£70.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Mouse: Corsair Vengeance M65 Wired Laser Mouse (£49.99 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £838.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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June 14, 2014 3:56:26 AM

Alpha3031 said:
Here's what I came up with, though I would prefer to get a 280X
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (£53.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H105 73.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£82.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£86.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£56.71 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card (£129.00 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Advanced ATX Mid Tower Case (£66.50 @ Ebuyer)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£43.92 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£59.00 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: LG 22MP55HQ-P 60Hz 22.0" Monitor (£103.02 @ Amazon UK)
Keyboard: Cooler Master CM Storm QuickFire TK Wired Gaming Keyboard (£70.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Mouse: Corsair Vengeance M65 Wired Laser Mouse (£49.99 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £838.40
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-14 11:48 BST+0100

get
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/sandisk-internal-hard-d...
or
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-d...
if you have to have ssd


Explain how that's more powerful than my build.
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June 14, 2014 4:02:50 AM

Graphiicz said:

Explain how that's more powerful than my build.


It actually had a proper mouse and keyboard
this is if it didn't
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (£53.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H105 73.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£82.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£86.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£56.71 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 280X 3GB TurboDuo Video Card (£209.15 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£38.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£43.92 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£59.00 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: LG 22MP55HQ-P 60Hz 22.0" Monitor (£103.02 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £769.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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June 14, 2014 4:10:04 AM

Alpha3031 said:
Graphiicz said:

Explain how that's more powerful than my build.


It actually had a proper mouse and keyboard
this is if it didn't
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (£53.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H105 73.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£82.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£86.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£56.71 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 280X 3GB TurboDuo Video Card (£209.15 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£38.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£43.92 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£59.00 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: LG 22MP55HQ-P 60Hz 22.0" Monitor (£103.02 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £769.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Still awful.
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June 14, 2014 5:23:46 AM

Graphiicz said:
Alpha3031 said:
Graphiicz said:

Explain how that's more powerful than my build.


It actually had a proper mouse and keyboard
this is if it didn't
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (£53.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H105 73.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£82.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£86.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£56.71 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 280X 3GB TurboDuo Video Card (£209.15 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£38.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£43.92 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£59.00 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: LG 22MP55HQ-P 60Hz 22.0" Monitor (£103.02 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £769.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-14 12:04 BST+0100


Still awful.


Come on guys, Pentium Really!??!??!? £800 can get much further than that. And Kapflap, are we considering OS included in this or do you already have OS?

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June 14, 2014 5:50:59 AM

Including OS, preferably Windows 8.1
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June 14, 2014 6:42:30 AM

Just use my build. It's the most balanced and powerful here by far.
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June 14, 2014 7:10:59 AM

Graphiicz said:
Just use my build. It's the most balanced and powerful here by far.


Yes but your build doesn't include an SSD, doesn't include peripherals and you use 2x4GB DDR3 which means the max he can't have 32GB RAM in the future. I wouldn't say yours is the most balanced in any manner or form. An SSD can be easily added by using a H81 chipset instead since OC is not needed and by having a cheaper case.
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June 14, 2014 8:55:17 AM

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Graphiicz said:
Just use my build. It's the most balanced and powerful here by far.


Yes but your build doesn't include an SSD, doesn't include peripherals and you use 2x4GB DDR3 which means the max he can't have 32GB RAM in the future. I wouldn't say yours is the most balanced in any manner or form. An SSD can be easily added by using a H81 chipset instead since OC is not needed and by having a cheaper case.


As I said, an SSD can be added later. So can non-cheap peripherals. When is he ever going to need more than 32GB RAM? You're just making up rubbish to try to fuel your point.

The motherboard is such an important part of the computer, why do you want to cheap out on it? The motherboard is perfectly fine, and gives much more room for future upgrades (which you seem to fixate on when it's convenient for you).

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June 14, 2014 9:30:37 AM

Graphiicz said:
tambeshakunt said:
Graphiicz said:
Just use my build. It's the most balanced and powerful here by far.


Yes but your build doesn't include an SSD, doesn't include peripherals and you use 2x4GB DDR3 which means the max he can't have 32GB RAM in the future. I wouldn't say yours is the most balanced in any manner or form. An SSD can be easily added by using a H81 chipset instead since OC is not needed and by having a cheaper case.


As I said, an SSD can be added later. So can non-cheap peripherals. When is he ever going to need more than 32GB RAM? You're just making up rubbish to try to fuel your point.

The motherboard is such an important part of the computer, why do you want to cheap out on it? The motherboard is perfectly fine, and gives much more room for future upgrades (which you seem to fixate on when it's convenient for you).



Yes but I believe he clearly mentioned that an SSD is needed as part of the budget and I feel having an £800 system with no SSD is a bit behind even before turning it on! Hence, to fit the BUDGET, and the requirement, the SSD I feel should be included and will be a pain to add later in terms of data migration and OS reinstall. Its a wiser option to have it from the word go.

Its not about 'needed' 32GB its about being able to have it. Yes, he may not need it right at this moment of time but if he gets a single 8GB module, it allows for the possibility of 32GB in the future whereas by restricting that, its building in less upgradablilty even before the system is built, especially considering that 2x 4gb and 1 x8gb cost about the same... about £5 difference.

Regarding the motherboard, clearly I'm not 'cheaping' out because its an Msi Z87. What more do you want? The point I am making is a H81 board can be chosen to make room (budget) for the SSD if needed. With a non-unlocked CPU and with no overlclocking features or power phases needed, an H81 will do more than enough. An H81+SSD is a much much better option than a Z87 with just a standard HDD.
Every component in PCs is sort of like your body, its all the 'most important'. You can't have a good system if you have one faulty component. E.g You have to have a good PSU but ALSO a good HDD that doesn't fail. Hence, everything has to be of same level. I am not going over and beyond and I am only choosing bog standard parts here; (Msi); I don't think this counts as 'cheaping' out since you will have to make some compromises at some places if you want the best value for money.

Please understand the point I am making, I don't intend to contradict yourself, I just want to get my ideas and opinion across.
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June 14, 2014 10:12:46 AM

tambeshakunt said:
Graphiicz said:
tambeshakunt said:
Graphiicz said:
Just use my build. It's the most balanced and powerful here by far.


Yes but your build doesn't include an SSD, doesn't include peripherals and you use 2x4GB DDR3 which means the max he can't have 32GB RAM in the future. I wouldn't say yours is the most balanced in any manner or form. An SSD can be easily added by using a H81 chipset instead since OC is not needed and by having a cheaper case.


As I said, an SSD can be added later. So can non-cheap peripherals. When is he ever going to need more than 32GB RAM? You're just making up rubbish to try to fuel your point.

The motherboard is such an important part of the computer, why do you want to cheap out on it? The motherboard is perfectly fine, and gives much more room for future upgrades (which you seem to fixate on when it's convenient for you).



Yes but I believe he clearly mentioned that an SSD is needed as part of the budget and I feel having an £800 system with no SSD is a bit behind even before turning it on! Hence, to fit the BUDGET, and the requirement, the SSD I feel should be included and will be a pain to add later in terms of data migration and OS reinstall. Its a wiser option to have it from the word go.

Its not about 'needed' 32GB its about being able to have it. Yes, he may not need it right at this moment of time but if he gets a single 8GB module, it allows for the possibility of 32GB in the future whereas by restricting that, its building in less upgradablilty even before the system is built, especially considering that 2x 4gb and 1 x8gb cost about the same... about £5 difference.

Regarding the motherboard, clearly I'm not 'cheaping' out because its an Msi Z87. What more do you want? The point I am making is a H81 board can be chosen to make room (budget) for the SSD if needed. With a non-unlocked CPU and with no overlclocking features or power phases needed, an H81 will do more than enough. An H81+SSD is a much much better option than a Z87 with just a standard HDD.
Every component in PCs is sort of like your body, its all the 'most important'. You can't have a good system if you have one faulty component. E.g You have to have a good PSU but ALSO a good HDD that doesn't fail. Hence, everything has to be of same level. I am not going over and beyond and I am only choosing bog standard parts here; (Msi); I don't think this counts as 'cheaping' out since you will have to make some compromises at some places if you want the best value for money.

Please understand the point I am making, I don't intend to contradict yourself, I just want to get my ideas and opinion across.


If you think a SSD is worth it for 20% less gaming performance then okay. He's building a computer for gaming. Why the hell would he ever need 32GB RAM? If he suddenly becomes a hardcore professional video editor then okay. Dual RAM offers better performance.

My point is that motherboard is absolutely fine.
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June 14, 2014 10:22:30 AM

Getting an H81 vs Z87 isn't going give you 20% less performance, maybe up to 5% that's all.
My point is the same, motherboard IS absolutely fine and that's why I went for the Z87.
Mind you, you are recommending an H97?! I would any day pick Z87 board over a H97 just due to what you get for the money.
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June 14, 2014 5:29:22 PM

tambeshakunt said:
Graphiicz said:
Alpha3031 said:
Graphiicz said:

Explain how that's more powerful than my build.


It actually had a proper mouse and keyboard
this is if it didn't
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (£53.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H105 73.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£82.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£86.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£56.71 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 280X 3GB TurboDuo Video Card (£209.15 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£38.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£43.92 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£59.00 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: LG 22MP55HQ-P 60Hz 22.0" Monitor (£103.02 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £769.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-14 12:04 BST+0100


Still awful.


Come on guys, Pentium Really!??!??!? £800 can get much further than that. And Kapflap, are we considering OS included in this or do you already have OS?



Hey, look at the processor properly before you complain, It definitely won't bottleneck an 280X on most games.
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June 14, 2014 9:13:31 PM

Alpha3031 said:
tambeshakunt said:
Graphiicz said:
Alpha3031 said:
Graphiicz said:

Explain how that's more powerful than my build.


It actually had a proper mouse and keyboard
this is if it didn't
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (£53.96 @ Scan.co.uk)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H105 73.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£82.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£86.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory (£56.71 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£35.94 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 280X 3GB TurboDuo Video Card (£209.15 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£38.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: EVGA 600B 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£43.92 @ Amazon UK)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£59.00 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: LG 22MP55HQ-P 60Hz 22.0" Monitor (£103.02 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £769.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-14 12:04 BST+0100


Still awful.


Come on guys, Pentium Really!??!??!? £800 can get much further than that. And Kapflap, are we considering OS included in this or do you already have OS?



Hey, look at the processor properly before you complain, It definitely won't bottleneck an 280X on most games.

That is a Pentium though... OP is asking for a performance mark of an Intel Core i5 4570 which is a lot more powerful than an Intel Pentium dual core processor.
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June 14, 2014 9:39:18 PM

sora said:

That is a Pentium though... OP is asking for a performance mark of an Intel Core i5 4570 which is a lot more powerful than an Intel Pentium dual core processor.

Look at this benchmark result
I think that it's close enough.
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June 15, 2014 7:24:48 AM

tambeshakunt said:
Getting an H81 vs Z87 isn't going give you 20% less performance, maybe up to 5% that's all.
My point is the same, motherboard IS absolutely fine and that's why I went for the Z87.
Mind you, you are recommending an H97?! I would any day pick Z87 board over a H97 just due to what you get for the money.


I'm not talking about the motherboard...

I'm saying the money spent on a SSD could be spent on a better GPU.

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June 19, 2014 7:10:04 PM

Was that best answer accidental, or does the OP really want the 760. I wonder
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June 20, 2014 1:54:12 AM

Alpha3031 said:
Was that best answer accidental, or does the OP really want the 760. I wonder


That's what happens on this forum, my friend. People barge in with their awful builds just to feed their ego, not thinking how there is someone on the other side spending real money on this.
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