Best fit networking solution

Wolfganstein

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So, this is a bit lengthy, but I've found many an answer on these forums before. I'm no network professional and I'm only modestly computer literate. I am trying to find the best fit network solution for my household, as the current setup fails at certain times of the year (I'll explain).
The current setup:
1 Ubee cable modem/4port and wifi router (bridged, I believe)
1 Linksys E2500 wireless router
Devices (most of the time):
1 PC connected via 100ft ethernet (had some issues accessing the webui of the router, though I understand this might be an issue of cable length)
1 vizio smart TV
2 Roku 2s
2 TWC HD-DVR boxes
1 PC connected via wifi
sometimes:
1 laptop connected via wifi
2 smart phones
1 Playstation 3
For normal circumstances (just the two of us at home) this works plenty. I tend to get the 50Mbps that I pay TWC for (at least, so speedtest.net tells me), I don't have significant packet loss or ping/latency spikes in any of the games I play. In the past, we've had some issues with the rokus and streaming services - especially netflix. This seems to have gotten better as of late, and when tested, both have worked better when connected via ethernet. Unfortunately, they're operating at more than 100ft away, and through two walls (I imagine that causes trouble with the wifi).
The issue is that when guests or family are over - which makes up for about three out of seven days - things get tricky. I am unsure of whether the router is just not suitable, or improperly configured, or if something is not functioning, but when the number of people added is greater than three, network performance and internet access speeds seem to drop like a stone. My working theory is that it is the number of devices - the most common guests consist of no less than two middle aged adults and a teenager, which added together means three smart phones, a tablet pc and two laptop pcs, and usually an xbox360. On holidays that baloons into four middle aged adults and four teenagers, each with a smart phone and laptop, two also have tablets, and they usually bring at least a couple of consoles over. When this happens, streaming video is virtually impossible and many complaints are had.
Putting aside the special cases and expected trouble from teenagers sapping bandwidth (which if anyone knows a solution for, I am all ears), I am hoping to increase stability of streaming services, especially under load - I figure it impossible during the holiday situations (outside of a dedicated internet connection for that purpose), but I was hoping there may be some way to account for the lesser case.
The location of the router is known to be suboptimal - when cable internet was installed, most devices were on the second floor, and wireless wasn't a consideration. The room it is in places it more or less two walls away from anything that would attempt to connect wirelessly, for which I commend the E2500's continued operation and connectivity. My major considerations at this point have been purchasing my own cable router - save five dollars a month anyway, and I've heard of Ubee routers having issues - or perhaps buying a new router/trying dd-wrt on the E2500. I don't know if either solution would help. Additionally, I was thinking of disabling the wifi on the E2500 and purchasing a wifi access point and mounting it to the ceiling downstairs. I think I could accomplish it with a 25 ft ethernet cable and a drill, and it would put both rokus in the line of sight of the access point, most other wireless devices on the other side of a single wall. My concern being whether this would be a good idea with so many devices (please forgive me if this is pure ignorance on my part). Very rarely will we have more than two devices connected via ethernet, usually a PC and either the playstation 3 or one of the rokus. I have a brother-in-law who swears by cisco routers and recommends I upgrade, and a friend who suggested a Mikrotik router if I decide to replace mine, but to try DD-wrt in the meantime. Nothing fancy is being done on the network - I pretty much configured it once for the connected and let it sit, aside from configuring a port forwarding range for a short time. There is now network attached storage, no printers or files shared, no servers running. Some of this might come in use when the kids around, as they like sharing files and running minecraft and similar game servers. I thank you all for any input you can offer - both in solving the problem, or determing whether it is equipment related, configuration related, or person related. Thanks in advance.
 
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Ok that is a really tight budget but here goes.
I would definitely get a wireless AP for downstairs. I personally like Ubiquiti Unify AP's but that would bust the budget. So for a decent ceiling mount dual band AP I would look at one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/EnGenius-Technologies-High-powered-Distribution-EAP600/dp/B009V17BYC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0ED-001T-00001
Both look like a fire alarm so they don't stand out too bad.
Now upstairs I would wire anything I could back to the router. If the PS3 is close to the PC then you could use the current Ethernet line you have in that room and hook a switch to it, like this...
Ok the main problem you have is the number of wireless devices per access point (which you currently have only 1), especially when streaming. Streaming wirelessly tends to monopolize a wireless AP. I would not purchase a Cisco or Mikrotik router and i would not run DD-WRT in your system. Most of that equipment is used if you need advanced routing functions, which you do not seem to need. Can you give some more info:
1) Do you know which of your devices can connect wirelessly at 5Ghz?
2) Can you draw a picture or describe where each static device is located (static or non mobile like Roku's, TV's etc).
3) What is currently wired directly, and is there anything else that could be wired directly with Ethernet?
4) What is your budget?
Ethernet cables can be up to 100 meters or 328 feet, so a 100 foot Ethernet cable is no problem.
So basically after you answer these questions we will try to do this:
1)Wire everything that can be wired directly with Ethernet
2)Wireless items that are close to each other can be grouped together and use 1 wireless connection
3)divide up those devices that can use 5Ghz and those that must use 2.4Ghz
4)Select your wireless channels correctly so you get less interference.
5)Most likely put a wireless AP downstairs like you were talking about, but also leave your wireless on upstairs to (using different channels)
If we do it correctly you should have very little trouble, even when guest are there. You already have a pretty speedy internet connection to support such an effort.
 

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1) I had the dual band wirless setup for a short time, but found only a couple of devices could detect the 5Ghz SSID, and I tried manually inputting the SSID on the rokus and the smart tv with no luck.
2) This is kind of tough, as I've never been good at art, even ascii, but essentially:
Second floor:
http://tinypic.com/r/207x07s/8
Floor one:
http://tinypic.com/r/2vn3v4g/8

Distance from Router to the first PC is about 75 ft give or take, but I purchased the 100ft cable on sale from newegg. The dimensions might not be totally accurate, but estimates. Furthest device I believe to be between 150 and 200ft, and several walls - the smart tv. Currently only PC1 is wired directly. There is a second 100ft cable running from the router to PC1s location, as the playstation 3 is within ten feet. I forgot to mention that we have a security system setup downstairs, which from what I've seen with some wifi scanning software uses a 2.5Ghz connection on channel 6 to communicate with a couple of security cameras.

3. My budget would ideally be 150 to 200USD.

Wiring most things could prove troublesome (the wife doesn't like cables being very noticable). I can go ahead and hook up the roku upstairs without much issue I think, though I will probably wait until I can get a <100ft cable (the last time I hooked a computer up in there the guy had a 25ft cable and it was fine). Also, I should probably note that the only wireless connection I have running at the moment has been the 2.4Ghz on channel 11, though I can of course change that. I guess it probably would be a good idea to set up the 5Ghz around the holidays in case anyone can use that instead. Thanks for the help! Editted for formatting troubles.
 
Ok that is a really tight budget but here goes.
I would definitely get a wireless AP for downstairs. I personally like Ubiquiti Unify AP's but that would bust the budget. So for a decent ceiling mount dual band AP I would look at one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/EnGenius-Technologies-High-powered-Distribution-EAP600/dp/B009V17BYC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0ED-001T-00001
Both look like a fire alarm so they don't stand out too bad.
Now upstairs I would wire anything I could back to the router. If the PS3 is close to the PC then you could use the current Ethernet line you have in that room and hook a switch to it, like this http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FNFSPY/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3P06TDB3CDPD0&coliid=I21W2ETT5PO3D4&psc=1 to give you connections for the computer and the PS3. If you could also wire the Roku upstairs that would be great. If not you can leave it wireless.
In your particular case I would put all 4 radios (downstairs 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz, upstairs 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz) on different SSID's. I would leave the 5Ghz band set as auto channel and auto channel width. On the 2.4Ghz band I would use your scanning software and choose channels 1 or 11. I would put the least crowded channel of those two on the downstairs AP and the other channel on the upstairs AP. Make sure your 2.4Ghz channel width is set to 20Mhz, not 40 or auto.
Downstairs I would move as many things to 5Ghz as possible. If the devices that are static can't do 5Ghz I would purchase something so they could. For a PC something like this: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005SAKW9G/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3P06TDB3CDPD0&coliid=IEBSH7OUVK9PY
For other things like Roku's something like this:http://www.amazon.com/TP-LINK-TL-WA890EA-Universal-Entertainment-Wireless/dp/B00CZ3Z5HI/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1402808605&sr=8-11&keywords=media+bridge
If you have 2 wireless items close together you could wire them both into one of those TP-Link TL-WA890EA's and that way they only send 1 signal for 2 clients.
Also make sure the wireless on your cable modem is turned off and check it to see that it is in fact in bridge mode.

Here are the challenges with wireless:
On 2.6Ghz there are only 3 non-overlapping channels 1,6, and 11. These must be shared by you and all your neighbors.
5Ghz has at least 9 channels and up to I believe 23, depending on your router. These channels are all non-overlapping.
Wireless radios can only transmit or receive, but not at the same time (they are half duplex). Also they can only talk to one client at a time. So you can see how if you have several clients all transmitting and receiving from a wireless AP, how this can bog things down. On top of this not only does this include your house, but your neighbors too if they are on the same channel. When you throw in some streaming devices that talk constantly, then you can see the real mess it creates. This is why I say to try to wire as much as possible to get it off the wireless. Then move as much to 5Ghz so you can split the load between the 2 bands, each having its own radio.
 
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Wolfganstein

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Alright. I've confirmed the cable modem has both wifi off and is in bridge mode. Thankfully, we live in the countryside. I've only ever detected one of my neighbor's wireless networks, and it only seems to operate for a few hours a day on channel 9. Channel 1 seems the least crowded, so I suppose I'll set that up downstairs and channel 11 upstairs. I am all for more wired vs wireless, though when it comes to phones and such it can become difficult. That said, I'll add a switch in the room with the pc and the playstation 3 - I have an old netgear switch that should do the trick. It is 10/100, but considering I am using cat5 cable anyway, I don't think it will make a ton of difference. I have considered purchasing a cat6 cable, but to my understanding, if I am not accessing anything else on the network aside from the shared connection, I don't really stand to benefit when the connection speed is less than 50Mbps, yeah? I might be entirely wrong. I'll try to get back to you when I get these things set up - I'm going to go for the AP first, and if needed the additional items. I'm leaning towards the ZyXEL as I've used some of their products before with good results.
For the moment, I did switch the 5Ghz band back on, and I switched the 2.4Ghz to 20hz rather than the default auto. I've seen some minor improvement in stability, which is a plus. It also seems the other PC can see the 5Ghz SSID, but with a single bar, sometimes bumping up to two, and every so often losing connection. Does the 5Ghz signal have less wall/floor penetration? All the same, thanks for the help, and I'll try it out and see, and try to remember to get back to you.