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Getting a new CPU, few compatibility questions for the wiser ones.

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June 16, 2014 6:07:53 AM

Hey. I'm upgrading my pc so the latest games would run a bit smoother. First I assumed that I can just buy a new gpu and that's it, but apparently I would have a bottleneck problem then. So I also need a new cpu and that's where things get out of my comfort zone.

Current set:
CPU Type QuadCore Intel Core 2 Quad Q8200, 2333 MHz (7 x 333)
CPU Alias Yorkfield-2M
CPU Stepping R0
Motherboard Name FUJITSU D2950-A1
Motherboard Chipset nVIDIA nForce 7100-630i
BIOS Type Phoenix (08/20/09)
Memory 4gb RAM
Video Adapter Sapphire Radeon HD 6750
Power Supply 600w

I'm planning to get a gtx760 and now I'm wondering what kind of cpu would be powerful enough to handle it and still compatible with my current motherboard? Price range up to 250€. I tried to see some compatibility charts but got a bit too confused.

Thank you.
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June 16, 2014 6:29:18 AM

Your current processor uses the LGA 775 socket, so the only available upgrade is to a Xeon. The problem here is that not all motherboards from that era will support that processor, and I think that'll be the case for you.

Putting the Xeon aside, the only upgrade you can make whilst keeping your motherboard is to a Core 2 Quad Extreme Edition. However, don't expect much of a performance boost from what you currently have.

If you want to make the jump to a GTX 760 then you should definitely get a new processor and motherboard. Your current ones won't support PCIe 3.0 or 256-bit memory bus, so the GPU will be hampered right from the off.
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June 16, 2014 6:31:24 AM

There aren't that many CPU's that use LGA775, the socket on your motherboard for your processor, and what I would do if I was in your place is I would build a new computer but it's your choice.
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June 16, 2014 6:56:42 AM

Ok, thank you for the answers! My follow up question is that what would be the best GPU model this system would still fully support, and would that be a significant upgrade graphics wise in addition with bumping up my ram to 8gb compared to the Radeon HD 6750 I have now? Someone told me that this system could still handle gtx 650 Ti? I'm not a heavy duty gamer, my problem just arose when i bought Wildstar and the fps gets too low on busy areas. That would be the only game I'm playing in the near future. Could a ram boost to 8gb and an upgrade to bit older but supported GPU make any noticeable good?

Thanks.
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June 16, 2014 7:13:52 AM

It depends, but upgrading your graphics card will do the job, it's just that your CPU is old and old CPU's can bring lower FPS so it's your choice.
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June 16, 2014 7:25:45 AM

The concern is that your motherboard is OEM and discontinued, so information about it is sparse. If it doesn't support PCIe 2.0 at the least then a GPU upgrade is pointless. If it does, then a GTX 750 Ti would be a good choice.

Increasing the RAM to 8GB is usually a good idea, but the Core 2 Quad processors typically support DDR2 at 800Mhz, which is very slow by modern standards.

Whilst you can upgrade the GPU and the RAM, you may find that your processor or motherboard will bottleneck them.
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June 16, 2014 10:13:16 AM

bicycle_repair_man said:
The concern is that your motherboard is OEM and discontinued, so information about it is sparse. If it doesn't support PCIe 2.0 at the least then a GPU upgrade is pointless. If it does, then a GTX 750 Ti would be a good choice.

Increasing the RAM to 8GB is usually a good idea, but the Core 2 Quad processors typically support DDR2 at 800Mhz, which is very slow by modern standards.

Whilst you can upgrade the GPU and the RAM, you may find that your processor or motherboard will bottleneck them.


Thank you. The motherboard does support PCIe 2.0. But if i choose to upgrade the motherboard as well and get the new cpu, what cpu would you recommend for a tight budget? What is the bare minimum cpu power i should have for the gtx760? My nearby store suggested Intel Core i5 4430 3.0 GHz LGA1150, would that be sufficient enough for the gtx760?

Thanks.

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June 16, 2014 10:50:19 AM

bicycle_repair_man said:
The concern is that your motherboard is OEM and discontinued, so information about it is sparse. If it doesn't support PCIe 2.0 at the least then a GPU upgrade is pointless. If it does, then a GTX 750 Ti would be a good choice.

Increasing the RAM to 8GB is usually a good idea, but the Core 2 Quad processors typically support DDR2 at 800Mhz, which is very slow by modern standards.

Whilst you can upgrade the GPU and the RAM, you may find that your processor or motherboard will bottleneck them.


A GTX 760 will still work fine with PCI-E 1.1. You are best off with a new CPU, motherboard and ram. With that budget, you could go with something like this.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (€151.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€41.98 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€59.90 @ Caseking)
Total: €253.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-16 19:48 CEST+0200
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June 17, 2014 12:25:35 AM

logainofhades said:
bicycle_repair_man said:
The concern is that your motherboard is OEM and discontinued, so information about it is sparse. If it doesn't support PCIe 2.0 at the least then a GPU upgrade is pointless. If it does, then a GTX 750 Ti would be a good choice.

Increasing the RAM to 8GB is usually a good idea, but the Core 2 Quad processors typically support DDR2 at 800Mhz, which is very slow by modern standards.

Whilst you can upgrade the GPU and the RAM, you may find that your processor or motherboard will bottleneck them.


A GTX 760 will still work fine with PCI-E 1.1. You are best off with a new CPU, motherboard and ram. With that budget, you could go with something like this.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (€151.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€41.98 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€59.90 @ Caseking)
Total: €253.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-16 19:48 CEST+0200


Thank you. This surely put me on the right track. I'm wondering will this motherboard you suggested fit the casing? The casing is from a Fujitsu Esprimo P1500 and the current motherboard info only says:

Mainboard type: D2950
formfactor: reduced µATX

So will this Micro ATX fit to the same casing where this reduced µATX was. Dimensions of the casing are:

Dimensions (w x d x h) 175 x 425 x 353 mm

Thanks.
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June 17, 2014 12:31:54 AM

logainofhades said:
bicycle_repair_man said:
The concern is that your motherboard is OEM and discontinued, so information about it is sparse. If it doesn't support PCIe 2.0 at the least then a GPU upgrade is pointless. If it does, then a GTX 750 Ti would be a good choice.

Increasing the RAM to 8GB is usually a good idea, but the Core 2 Quad processors typically support DDR2 at 800Mhz, which is very slow by modern standards.

Whilst you can upgrade the GPU and the RAM, you may find that your processor or motherboard will bottleneck them.


A GTX 760 will still work fine with PCI-E 1.1. You are best off with a new CPU, motherboard and ram. With that budget, you could go with something like this.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (€151.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€41.98 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€59.90 @ Caseking)
Total: €253.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-16 19:48 CEST+0200


I totally agree, the money is much better spent on the motherboard, processor and RAM. I understand that a GTX 760 will work with PCIe 1.1, but it won't be able to take advantage of the higher speeds of PCIe 2.0 and 3.0, hence why it's a rather pointless upgrade.

OP, the motherboard, processor and RAM should definitely be at the top of your upgrade list. What logainofhades has suggested is good and when paired with a GTX 760 (or GTX 750 Ti if you have to lower your budget), you'll have a good gaming build.
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June 17, 2014 12:46:11 AM

bicycle_repair_man said:
logainofhades said:
bicycle_repair_man said:
The concern is that your motherboard is OEM and discontinued, so information about it is sparse. If it doesn't support PCIe 2.0 at the least then a GPU upgrade is pointless. If it does, then a GTX 750 Ti would be a good choice.

Increasing the RAM to 8GB is usually a good idea, but the Core 2 Quad processors typically support DDR2 at 800Mhz, which is very slow by modern standards.

Whilst you can upgrade the GPU and the RAM, you may find that your processor or motherboard will bottleneck them.


A GTX 760 will still work fine with PCI-E 1.1. You are best off with a new CPU, motherboard and ram. With that budget, you could go with something like this.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (€151.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€41.98 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€59.90 @ Caseking)
Total: €253.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-16 19:48 CEST+0200


I totally agree, the money is much better spent on the motherboard, processor and RAM. I understand that a GTX 760 will work with PCIe 1.1, but it won't be able to take advantage of the higher speeds of PCIe 2.0 and 3.0, hence why it's a rather pointless upgrade.

OP, the motherboard, processor and RAM should definitely be at the top of your upgrade list. What logainofhades has suggested is good and when paired with a GTX 760 (or GTX 750 Ti if you have to lower your budget), you'll have a good gaming build.


Yes, I've decided to upgrade the motherboard, cpu and ram too. Now I'm wondering will the motherboard logainofhades suggested fit the casing I have. Because the formfactor of my current motherboard is listed as reduced µATX? I know µATX and Micro ATX are the same, I'm just confused what the word "reduced" means in my computers specs?

Thanks.
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June 17, 2014 1:54:17 AM

The problem you may have is that the motherboard mounting holes may be positioned differently, on account of the entire computer being built by one manufacturer. If you remove the existing motherboard, there's usually an indication of which mounting hole fits which form factor and if your case doesn't have that, I'd bet that it doesn't support standard motherboard sizes.

Personally, I'd want to replace the case anyway for asthetics, airflow and greater flexibility for components. Cases aren't very expensive as well.
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June 17, 2014 7:07:59 AM

bicycle_repair_man said:

I totally agree, the money is much better spent on the motherboard, processor and RAM. I understand that a GTX 760 will work with PCIe 1.1, but it won't be able to take advantage of the higher speeds of PCIe 2.0 and 3.0, hence why it's a rather pointless upgrade.



A GTX 760 will not suffer much, if any, performance loss on pci-e 1.1. Still think an upgrade of CPU/Ram/motherboard is necessary though.

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