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Lately I posted a thread in which I got to this build :
CPU: intel core i5 4670K
Video card:MSI GeForce GTX780 TF OC, 3GB DDR5
Memory:KINGSTON 8GB 1600MHz DDR3 CL10 DIMM HyperX FURY Blue Series
Motherboard:ASRock Z97-EXTREME4, 1150
Storage: WD Black 1TB SATA 3
Case:Thermaltake Commander MS-I USB3.0x1
Power Supply:XFX Pro Series CoreEdition 80 650W PSU

Now I am left wondering could there be an amd equivalent in strength,consistency,memory,cost(mainly) and well, temperature(because i had problems with the last amd based pc it went to about 90 Celsius) (perhaps because of a bad cooler or the fact that I live in the Mediterranean ) (+ I don't mind putting additional fans in the rig and a separate cpu cooler),it will be used mainly for gaming and there is where I stopped ,can amd based pcs be as good as intel/nvidia ones?
 
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it depends on which gpu chipset is your target , but usually is like under

AMD = BUILT FOR LOW BUDGET / MORE POWER CONSUMPTION NEED
their gpu for example the r9 280x compare to the nvidia gtx 770 use 20W more power consumption
but the r9 280x cost approx..50 to 75$ less then gtx 770...but the gtx 770 give approx 5 to 10% more performance then the r9 280x

NVIDIA = BUILT FOR HIGH BUDGET AND PERFORMANCE / POWER EFFICIENCY
if you check the date of manufacturer built , nvidia is always the first to release new gpu chipset and you have to pay for it , but the performences are up to approx...15 % over amd

but there is exceptions like the r9 290x between gtx 780
the price of the gtx 780 is lower by 50$ compared to r9 290x
the performance are...
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I build AMD, ALWAYS for the GPU, especially in today's climate. that being that AMD got the contract for every console, so all games developed for consoles and then ported to PC will already be optimized for AMD's GPUs. And now there's mantle, AMD's APU for better hardware utilization, CryEngine is going to be natively configured to use it and i expect future games are going to utilize the engine.

I'll grant that currently Intel has better CPUs for high end/low heat. but Nvidia's dropping the ball on graphics lately, AMD is doing things that are changing the market and the way developers write games, all Nvidia's done to further the industry is make the shield gaming tablet, Which i will never buy. Also Mantle enabled graphics appear to be better able to utilize multiple cores, when i benchmarked my pc with the new R9 280X i got, the star swarm benchmark on steam doubled its average framerate with mantle, a performance check showed mantle graphics utilizing all 6 cores of my Phenom II. The argument being, that in the future multiple cores even if they are not as fast, will be more useful for gaming. so an AMD fx8350 is still a strong argument if you can get it on sale, (except it will definitely run hotter if you're bound by heat)
 
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What about power,how much watts does average amd gpu take up?and are amd cpus definitely out right now?
I have a feeling that nvidia is going nowhere now just releasing high end cards which cost a button with huge changes like the titans and amd is going step by step,it feels like if you are going to buy a nvidia card, unless you spend a minimal of 500$ it wont pay off for like a year or so,I am simply afraid that i wont be able to play next gen games in the highest graphics available.Then comes the question IF i can cool down the amd fx8350 would i be better in any case than the i5 4670k?
 
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in my experience/reading, large AMD GPUs take about 200-250 watts under load. Cooling the fx8350 isn't difficult unless you OC it. It depends on your case too, i like cooler master's HSFs, i'm running a geminii in my low profile case. It's an adequate cooler and my phenom was a 140 watt as I recall, the geminii keeps it under 47 degrees under load, well within my 70 degree redline. I imagine the FX is slightly less demanding on standard clocks.

As to the benefit, right now it is in multi-threaded applications, the AMD chips have more physical cores to divide a workload. If you know you're going to run games that take advantage of multi-threading then AMD gives you an advantage, games that have 'amd gaming evolved' logos like tomb raider, bioshock infinite, thief, seem to do it well. I'm running a phenom II x6, and i see all 6 of my cores being used in these games, an FX 8350 would do even better, the i5 would probably be fine, its still a quad core, but fewer cores means fewer threads, even if the threads are processed faster.

My honest assessment, games are getting more complex, not less, as is programming, AMD is making their environment game friendly and I expect games will be more optimized for multiple cores. Intel seems more interested in benchmarks, the same way Nvidia is, without really improving anything other than clocks/wattage. Your i5 will do well in both categories, its a solid CPU, i considered buying one myself. As it is, my phenom is 4 years old, paired with the r9 280x, i run everything at max settings and my CPU still doesn't max out.
 
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it depends on which gpu chipset is your target , but usually is like under

AMD = BUILT FOR LOW BUDGET / MORE POWER CONSUMPTION NEED
their gpu for example the r9 280x compare to the nvidia gtx 770 use 20W more power consumption
but the r9 280x cost approx..50 to 75$ less then gtx 770...but the gtx 770 give approx 5 to 10% more performance then the r9 280x

NVIDIA = BUILT FOR HIGH BUDGET AND PERFORMANCE / POWER EFFICIENCY
if you check the date of manufacturer built , nvidia is always the first to release new gpu chipset and you have to pay for it , but the performences are up to approx...15 % over amd

but there is exceptions like the r9 290x between gtx 780
the price of the gtx 780 is lower by 50$ compared to r9 290x
the performance are almost the same between both , but again the r9 290x need 50W more then the gtx 780


 
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well I am planning on playing very demanding games and I hope to play games that are coming out on very high/ultra settings so that is where my concerns started,I don't want to go for a 780 mainly because of its price in my country and the fact that the 700 series are now over a year old and the 800 series are coming out,so I would rather go for a 770 or r9 280x/290 and upgrade later,I am not saying that 780 or a 290x aren't solid,in fact they are awesome its just that the market is changing very quickly now,just look at games like witcher 3 , and I will need a lot of power for the future but the only problem is the budget limitation I mean if i had like 10k $ just sitting around for a new pc I wouldn't even think about it I would just stuff 4 titans inside and be happy for the next who knows how many years,that is why i am trying to make as much as I can from this amount I have +everyone that sells components here in my country till now has only tried to rip me off...
 
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well the point was comparing i don't care about the titan or the gtx 780 ti or the titan black,z...they are faaaar out of my budget...and ty for updating the post that was literally enlightening
 
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For graphics cards, the main difference between AMD and nvidia is that AMD is more flexible while nvidia is more restrictive. This is not performance-related but it is related to usability and practicality. Others have covered performance. I compare AMD to Microsoft and nvidia to Apple. Apple locks down their products while Microsoft's product has more freedom.

1. AMD GPUs can CrossFireX if the GPU is within the same family. For example: a HD 7950 and HD 7970 CrossFireX or a R9 280X and HD 7970 (or HD 7950) CrossFireX. Almost every motherboard with multiple PCIe lanes supports CrossFireX. The same is not true for nvidia. To SLI, the GPUs must be the same GPU. So a GTX 680 must SLI with a GTX 680. GPUs that can SLI will have a SLI logo on it indicating that it can be SLI. Motherboard manufacturers also need a stamp of approval from nvidia for supporting SLI, so not all motherboards support it.

1A. On a side note, AMD supports CrossFireX between a discrete GPU and their APUs.

2. This is more of Alpha / Beta stage, but AMDs new GPUs like the R9 290 do not require a CrossFireX bridge so they just utilize the PCIe bus buffers, which is faster. This is pretty cool. No news from nvidia regarding this.
 
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Ok now just 1 more question:how rude may I get:can I go like www.(site name here)com this is the site, ### this is my budget, can anyone construct the best gaming pc from that site for the money?
 
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