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June 16, 2014 9:59:51 AM

so guys whats the better CPU for gaming 3570k@4.5 or the fx 9590 octa core @stock (can't really overclock this)

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June 16, 2014 10:03:21 AM

9590 is fail in terms of price/performance ratio- as an AMD enthusiast I say just so you won't think I'm a Intel fanboy.

You could go for Xeon 1231 OR 1240 of you don't have H97 or Z97 platform. Very cheap... relatively speaking!
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June 16, 2014 10:07:17 AM

BigBadBeef said:
9590 is fail in terms of price/performance ratio- as an AMD enthusiast I say just so you won't think I'm a Intel fanboy.

You could go for Xeon 1231 OR 1240 of you don't have H97 or Z97 platform. Very cheap... relatively speaking!


Sorry I'm not getting a new CPU. My friend keeps saying his 9590 is superior for gaming. my reply is that my CPU@ 4.5 is faster than Maxwell@stock (bar the new devil) and the only games that your cpu will excel mine is bf3/bf4.
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June 16, 2014 10:08:18 AM

i5. With the money spent on getting a 9590, you can easily get an i5 and a Z97 board (seeing as you'd have to spend a lot on a motherboard to even support the 9590).
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June 16, 2014 10:08:26 AM

The i5 wins by quite a lot. If you are doing any heavy threaded workloads (encoding video etc) then the FX is a good choice but not the 9590, the 8320 is comparable to the i7 in SOME workloads.
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June 16, 2014 10:11:03 AM

Yeah, he's just bought a new system for gaming and it has two 290xs and 9590, i kept trying to tell him to get a different CPU but he's so suborn and wants 8 cores thinking that's better. am i right it saying that CPU takes 220w to power?
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June 16, 2014 10:12:28 AM

zqa20 said:
Yeah, he's just bought a new system for gaming and it has two 290xs and 9590, i kept trying to tell him to get a different CPU but he's so suborn and wants 8 cores thinking that's better. am i right it saying that CPU takes 220w to power?


Unfortunately yes.

Jesus, two 290xs and a 9590... How does he keep that cool...
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June 16, 2014 10:14:03 AM

Probably running 100C ambient temps, and needing a 1000W PSU. Terrible. But yes, the 9590 is a 220 (or so) TDP CPU. Even more if he overclocks it.
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June 16, 2014 10:16:49 AM
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June 16, 2014 12:38:47 PM

More like a waste of money.
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June 16, 2014 12:42:09 PM

The 9590 is a horrible cpu for the money. For the price of that space heater, you could buy a 1230v3 and a motherboard, and have better performance. Sounds to me like your friend, no offense, has more money than smarts. They are overpaying for their system big time.
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June 16, 2014 12:50:24 PM

A Xeon 1230v3 (essentially a i7 3770, or i5 3570 with hyperthreading) will happily outperform a 9590. Costs far less too, and will have a much longer lifetime. Seems logainofhades beat me to it again. :D 

Most games won't use more than 4 cores/threads, so running 8 of them at 5 GHz is just a waste. A stock i5 would still outperform it in many an instance. Once OC'd to 4.5GHz, the 9590 won't match it in most tasks.
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June 16, 2014 12:55:41 PM

Go 1231 now, rebranded, new tech, more power!
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June 16, 2014 12:57:00 PM

i've tried to convince him to chaange his CPU but he's a stubern fuck. so if he wants to piss his MUMS money up the wall cos he cba to get a job then w/e

btw will that cpu bottleneck two 290xs he's getting two of them crossfire
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June 16, 2014 12:58:46 PM

Smack his mom in the face. It sounds like the kid is way to spoiled for his own good. Regardless of the outcome, he's just going to be that entitled kid walking down the block expecting life to hand him everything. He's going to be worse off than "normal" people.
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June 16, 2014 1:04:56 PM

This would blow that crappy overpriced AMD rig out of the water for less. :lol: 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£261.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£25.28 @ CCL Computers)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£88.61 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£147.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Kingston Fury Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£114.08 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial M550 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£215.94 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£77.58 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tri-X Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£400.60 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tri-X Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£400.60 @ Aria PC)
Case: Fractal Design Define XL R2 (Black Pearl) ATX Full Tower Case (£102.58 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£134.99 @ Aria PC)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHDS118-04 DVD/CD Drive (£10.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£54.00 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: Dell U2713HM 60Hz 27.0" Monitor (£359.94 @ Aria PC)
Total: £2394.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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June 16, 2014 1:10:33 PM

logainofhades said:
This would blow that crappy overpriced AMD rig out of the water for less. :lol: 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (£261.59 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£25.28 @ CCL Computers)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£88.61 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 EXTREME6 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£147.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Kingston Fury Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£114.08 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial M550 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£215.94 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£77.58 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tri-X Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£400.60 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tri-X Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£400.60 @ Aria PC)
Case: Fractal Design Define XL R2 (Black Pearl) ATX Full Tower Case (£102.58 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£134.99 @ Aria PC)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHDS118-04 DVD/CD Drive (£10.78 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£54.00 @ Amazon UK)
Monitor: Dell U2713HM 60Hz 27.0" Monitor (£359.94 @ Aria PC)
Total: £2394.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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he wants all the parts to be from CCL cos he can't build computers and there's no way I'm building this for him just to play final fantasy 14 i wouldn't feel right knowing all the cash came from his mum.
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June 16, 2014 1:16:13 PM

Yea, a single R9 290 would be enough for his needs. I was just showing the ludicrosity of that AMD rig. This would be far more reasonable.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (£186.89 @ CCL Computers)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£25.28 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Asus H97-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston Fury Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£114.08 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£85.96 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£81.73 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 290 4GB PCS+ Video Card (£345.97 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Corsair 300R ATX Mid Tower Case (£63.95 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£60.06 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.52 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£102.98 @ CCL Computers)
Monitor: Asus VE247H 23.6" Monitor (£137.24 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1215.66
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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June 16, 2014 1:20:07 PM

Even a stupidly fast system would cost less.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£251.68 @ CCL Computers)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i 77.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£86.83 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£110.38 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Kingston Fury Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£114.08 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Crucial M550 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£215.94 @ CCL Computers)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£81.73 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tri-X Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£413.44 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 290X 4GB Tri-X Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) (£413.44 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Define XL R2 (Black Pearl) ATX Full Tower Case (£103.72 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£143.86 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer (£11.52 @ CCL Computers)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£102.98 @ CCL Computers)
Monitor: Dell U2713HM 60Hz 27.0" Monitor (£437.64 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £2487.24
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-16 21:19 BST+0100

The parts in that AMD rig came out to £2,676.78. That is nuts.
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June 16, 2014 1:23:41 PM

Depends on the game. There are some games where the FX 9590 would have an advantage. If you compare the FX-8320 to the i5-3570K (very similar clock speeds) the 8320 is faster in heavily threaded applications (sometimes; naturally it depends on the specific application). The FX-9590 is the same as an 8320, just at 4.7-5GHz. So by that logic it would still be better in those same situations than an i5 3570k at 4.5GHz.

That said, in most games the 3570K is better as very few perform better on the FX eight-cores than on Intel i5/i7s... reason being that even though they use many threads, they still tend to load up the major components of the game's engine onto 1 or 2 cores, so single threaded performance still helps a lot.

So really it depends on the game. If you were to play something like World of Warcraft, your performance would be significantly higher than his. But if you played BF4, he might pull ahead by a few frames per second (though honestly in heavily threaded games it's hard to notice a difference since at that point the GPU matters more).

And it might slightly bottleneck crossfire 290X, but it should be fine. I know people playing with crossfire 280X on an FX-8350 @ 4.5-4.9GHz while being <75% CPU usage, so 290Xs should still run really well but they may not perform quite as well as they would with something like a 4930K.
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June 16, 2014 1:25:15 PM

I agree, i've told him this already he's probably already bought it by now tried to convince him for the past 3 days and he's had none of it ;/. apparently it's a "bragging rights" computer idk how he can brag, just makes him look like a dumb ass -.= but, I've been the best friend i can be in this situation o.0
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June 16, 2014 1:26:03 PM

Show him the better rig I posted with the dual 290x's. He just might change his mind. :lol: 
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June 16, 2014 1:31:50 PM

he went off over an hour to buy it ;/ he's a nice guy but stubborn as fuck

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June 16, 2014 9:26:25 PM

He's a fanboy, a goddamn fanboy and you should bitch slap him for that!

Bragging rights, I'll give him bragging rights with a boot up his ass!
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June 16, 2014 10:41:31 PM

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He's a fanboy, a goddamn fanboy and you should bitch slap him for that!

Bragging rights, I'll give him bragging rights with a boot up his ass!


Anyone who bragged to me about buying that overpriced space heater of a CPU would get a boot to the teeth. This would be followed by some form of bestiality taking place....just a bad situation for everyone involved;(
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June 16, 2014 11:53:41 PM

Arent those upper level amd processors just OCed 8350s?
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June 17, 2014 12:02:16 AM

Damn, that's money wasted! I could easily go for a 4K rig with 4K monitor for the same price he's getting his stuff for.
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June 17, 2014 12:05:08 AM

If Only I had his budget for my PC I could easily get 2 R9 290s 4790K a 4K monitor, etc
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June 17, 2014 1:54:09 AM

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Arent those upper level amd processors just OCed 8350s?


Pretty much. It's more than just an increased multiplier and they have some minor other advantages, but basically it's just for the sake of being able to get an FX-8350 that's guaranteed to run at 5GHz (provided you cool it properly). If you just purchase an FX-8350, there's a chance that you may not get it stable past 4.5-4.7GHz, or it will require an absurd amount of voltage (and thus really good cooling) to get it running at higher clocks.

That said, it uses significantly less power at 4.7-5GHz than most FX-8350s that are manually overclocked there. Take a look:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
http://us.hardware.info/reviews/5135/28/amd-fx-9590-and...

Even in the latter review, the FX-9590 @ 5GHz only peaks at 120W over the stock FX-8350. Meanwhile if you take a look at overclocked results of the FX-8350, at ~4.7-5GHz it was usually drawing about 150W more than it does at stock, as seen here.
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June 17, 2014 2:09:26 AM

The 9590 is better at keeping your room warm.
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June 17, 2014 3:53:27 AM

RobCrezz said:
The 9590 is better at keeping your room warm.


Why pay for heating when you can game? Shoot.
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June 17, 2014 4:01:47 AM

Hiebson said:
RobCrezz said:
The 9590 is better at keeping your room warm.


Why pay for heating when you can game? Shoot.


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June 17, 2014 6:03:12 AM

well, hes bought it now so XD GG £2.5k
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June 17, 2014 7:54:38 AM

You just can't help some people. :spamafote: 
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June 17, 2014 7:56:04 AM

At least he will stay warm in the winter, I guess.
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June 17, 2014 8:08:42 AM

zqa20 said:
well, hes bought it now so XD GG £2.5k


He didn't get the best price to performance ratio on his build. That's ok as long as he got what he wanted. It's still a good CPU regardless. He just fell victim to AMD's marketing and thinks it's a better CPU than it really is... Personally I'd rather have gotten an 8320 and overclocked it if I wanted an AMD processor. AMD is for budget computing and not for £2.5K computing. I guess some people can't understand that.

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June 17, 2014 9:56:45 AM

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At least he will stay warm in the winter, I guess.


Is there going to be temp issues with his build? he did get a £70 water cooler for the CPU ;/.
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June 17, 2014 10:04:56 AM

It is a 220w cpu, I doubt it will be easy to keep cool in the summer.
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June 17, 2014 10:09:54 AM

hmm, we can maybe use it to roast marshmallows when i next go round. YUM!
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June 17, 2014 10:19:44 AM

zqa20 said:
so guys whats the better CPU for gaming 3570k@4.5 or the fx 9590 octa core @stock (can't really overclock this)


This is just an educated guess, but the i5-3570K may even be better in most games at stock clocks, to say nothing of 4.5 GHz.

The FX-9590 is an overpriced, power-hungry monstrosity designed and marketed as a gimmick. If you must go with AMD, overclock an FX-8350.
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June 17, 2014 11:32:08 AM

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zqa20 said:
so guys whats the better CPU for gaming 3570k@4.5 or the fx 9590 octa core @stock (can't really overclock this)


This is just an educated guess, but the i5-3570K may even be better in most games at stock clocks, to say nothing of 4.5 GHz.

The FX-9590 is an overpriced, power-hungry monstrosity designed and marketed as a gimmick. If you must go with AMD, overclock an FX-8350.


Thanks for the info
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June 17, 2014 2:21:48 PM

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It is a 220w cpu, I doubt it will be easy to keep cool in the summer.


He'll need a Noctua NH-D14 w/ triple fans, Kraken X60 or something insane like that... I wonder why they stopped selling the FX-9370 and 9590 as a combo with a liquid CPU cooler.
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June 17, 2014 7:56:14 PM

Hiebson said:
logainofhades said:
It is a 220w cpu, I doubt it will be easy to keep cool in the summer.


He'll need a Noctua NH-D14 w/ triple fans, Kraken X60 or something insane like that... I wonder why they stopped selling the FX-9370 and 9590 as a combo with a liquid CPU cooler.


It was likely a casualty of their price drops. AMD must have learned very quickly how many enthusiasts are willing to spend nearly $700 for a mediocre processor that needs as much power as a high-end video card.
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June 17, 2014 8:08:56 PM

What I find laffable about this whole deal is the idiot will probably end up playing his games on a single 27" 1080p monitor, and wondering why the game plays ays identically to the OP's, 60 fps.
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June 17, 2014 8:44:47 PM

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Hiebson said:
logainofhades said:
It is a 220w cpu, I doubt it will be easy to keep cool in the summer.


He'll need a Noctua NH-D14 w/ triple fans, Kraken X60 or something insane like that... I wonder why they stopped selling the FX-9370 and 9590 as a combo with a liquid CPU cooler.


It was likely a casualty of their price drops. AMD must have learned very quickly how many enthusiasts are willing to spend nearly $700 for a mediocre processor that needs as much power as a high-end video card.


A couple months ago you could buy an FX-9370 + liquid cooler bundle for $300 and FX-9590 + liquid cooler bundle for $350. I guess sales for them were really bad and they dropped the price to sell off the rest of the bundles since nobody was biting.
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June 18, 2014 6:49:11 AM

Hard to justify the cost when you could pick up an FX 8320 and an all in one cooler for less. Or buy a 1230v3 for like $250 and not need a water cooler, and wipe the floor with either of them.
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June 19, 2014 9:31:14 AM

He should have gotten Quad Crossfire reference R9 290x and a stock cooler FX9590 instead. He'll be able to keep warm in his polar expedition :p  At least he can still use it to keep his family warm in the winter.
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June 19, 2014 9:32:43 AM

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He should have gotten Quad Crossfire reference R9 290x and a stock cooler FX9590 instead. He'll be able to keep warm in his polar expedition :p  At least he can still use it to keep his family warm in the winter.


Yea, the heating costs my actually go down with that thing running. Have him run F@H on it at night for those cold winter nights.
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June 19, 2014 11:33:02 AM

Have him overclock the CPUs and GPUs another 30% and get some sound proof material. "Ahh it's toasty in here! Where is the fireplace?" "Over there!" *points to 6GHz fx 9590 and 130%fan speed R9 290x reference versions*
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June 19, 2014 11:33:57 AM

Or if he wants to make jet engines sounds for a movie scene, look no further into 150% clocked R9 290x reference versions my friend.
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