Mini-ITX system for travel, advice?

Anthony OBrien

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I am trying to compact my current system which is contained by a Corsair 200R down into a Mini-ITX form factor.

For an explanation of why check it's in the spoiler (for tidiness)
So at the beginning of the year I built my first gaming PC, my first real PC in fact. For this I chose to get the Corsair 200R for it's excellent reviews, it's ease of use when building, plus it didn't look half bad.

The only problem is, it's size, recently I have found myself needing to take my computer across the country with a reasonable frequency. So I want to make a small and easily portable system.

Preferably big enough for a carry on as most of the travel is done via coach at the moment, but even with a Car it would still make transport much easier.

Current Specs:
CPU: AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Stock
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 EVO R2.0
Memory: 2 x 8GB Corsair Vengeance
Storage: SanDisk 128GB SSD (Boot Drive)
Storage: 2TB HDD (Storage) - No idea what it is
Video Card: EVGA GTX770 SC
Case: Corsair 200R
Power Supply: Corsair RM 750
Optical Drive: None
OS: Windows 8.1

Now I know there are a couple of issues with this :-

First:
To swap the Motherboard to a Mini-ITX I would need to get a new processor as there are no AM3+ socket Mini-ITX boards, at least none that I can find, here is where my first question comes in.

I can either go Intel or AMD, I would favour AMD as I am on a budget and an i5-3570K would cost me £160ish and an Athlon X4 760K would be £60ish, now my question here really comes down to, how would the Athlon being an APU affect the overall usage and how worth it would the near 3x times expense of the i5 really be?

Second: I am trying to decide between one of two cases, each has it's pros and cons for me

The first case would be the Lian-Li PC TU-200, I really like the look of the case, my main concern is Air-flow
Being a very small case, where the power supply fits over the CPU. Although the drive cage is removable. There is a 2.5" slot right at the base of the case where I can fit the SSD and I should be able to fit the HDD as in this picture, apparently it was a bit of a kludge but I should be able to fit it, this should then allow me to install a small radiator in the front, that is if there is clearance for the heat sink behind the PSU.

Of course this all relies on some very tight planning and would probably fall short due to my lack of experience.

There is also the alternative of using a low-profile Noctua heat sink, keep the drive cage in, and get a half length PSU, but again I am not to sure how it would handle the heat.

The second case is the EVGA Hadron
This case has a couple of advantages, now I am fairly sure it actually has a bit less internal area compared to the TU-200 but it is more spread out, it also has an included power supply which is specially designed to fit the stature of the case.

This means that I would have an easier time fitting everything in and also would be easily able to fit in ample cooling. The only thing that the other case has over this one is ease of transport, although this is a small case it's more elongated shape isn't as convenient for travel as the shorter but wider Lian-Li case.

So what would be your suggestions concerning the case whether it be one of these or some other case?

Now I tried formatting this in such a way so as to make it easier to read and hopefully answer.

Thank you in advance for any and all help you can give me!

TL;DR : What's the difference between the i5-3570K and the Athlon X4 760K for gaming, and for a Mini-ITX case with an easily transportable would you suggest the Lian-Li PC TU-200, the EVGA Hadron or some other case?
 
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Intel stock cooler will certainly fit, I'd guess the reason the Noctua is not recommended is because it can run at such high rpm that it becomes fairly noisey itself. Intel stock cooler is pretty subjective, I've seen plenty of reviews showing how incredibly quiet and efficient it is (especially considering it is effectively free) but personally I found it a little annoying as the smaller fan made a different pitch of noise to my case fans and stood out a bit.

There's a load of stuff as you have H81 at the bottom of the pile and go through B85, H87, H97 before hitting Z87 and Z97, and each has it's own feature-set which motherboard manufacturers may chose to support or ignore.
Basically, H81 is limited to 2 sticks of 1600 RAM (not a...

cirdecus

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Lian is the best case of the two. When comparing an all aluminium case to a steel plastic case, you're going to be much better off with aluminium. The Lian Li will run much cooler as the Aluminium is much better at absorbing ambient heat from your components and much much lighter compared to a hot/heavy steel and plastic case.

Also, the Core i5 3570k is going to be your processor of choice. Benchmarked together, it is just much better and faster for all things and can be overclocked relatively easy.
 

Rammy

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Both of the cases you picked out are probably among the best available when it comes to small size.
What is important is how you actually travel. If you want to carry it lose, then the Lian Li, with the handle and reinforced corners, is likely to be more durable than most. If you pack it in a suitcase or whatever, then this becomes far less useful, and you really want something which is suitcase friendly. This might be something squat but deep, like a Coolermaster Elite 130, or slim and flat like a Silverstone Raven RVZ01.
As a side note of limited help to you, I recently transported the much-maligned Bitfenix (Prodigy) Fatboy in a suitcase, and while it more or less filled it, I didn't have any issues at all, so you might be surprised at how much potential flexibility you have.

Also, I'm going to throw out a slightly counter-intuitive idea. I'm the first person to say "Don't try and do high end AMD builds at anything other than ATX", but if you already have a stock-clocked 8350, and haven't overclocked/have no intention to, then there is a possibility of converting your current system into something more travel-friendly. 760G boards are basically outdated, but they do come in mATX form, and there are a lot of mATX cases which may suit your needs (though they won't touch things like the Hadron for size). A compact mATX tower like an Arc Mini is a something to consider, as it really is very conventional, but there's also more unusual forms like the Silverstone SG09/10 which is very boxy but in terms of volume, pretty tiny. It's worth considering at least.

As for 760K versus 3570K (though that should probably be 4670K/4690K), there is quite a world of difference. The 760K is a great budget-friendly CPU, but it really can't compete with i5s in any tasks really. Something to point out though - Intel do make other CPUs. A stock clocked 4430/4440/4460 is in many ways far better price/performance than the K-series CPUs, at around ~£120+. This also has an advantage in that it doesn't need to be paired with a Z-series motherboard, though the savings here can be minimal if you need a Wifi integrated motherboard.
 

Anthony OBrien

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@Rammy
I am probably going to go with the Lian-Li case, it was my first choice mainly for looks and size.

As I don't intend to overclock, especially in a case as small as the TU200, what i would be doing with the PC is some light video rendering (very occasionally), gaming and general study/work bits. What would be the recommended CPU?

Because I wouldn't be overclocking, as far as I can tell, a K-series CPU would be almost pointless, so what would be a good Intel CPU, their naming scheme confuses me some what, I mean what is the difference between the i5-4460 and the i5-4570?

Also is there any easy way for me to check and find which PSU's would fit the dimensions of the case? It takes the standard ATX PS/2 form but only has 140mm available for PSU space.

Also on the subject of motherboards what are the best companies to go with?

I know I am asking a lot of questions, but it is the only way to learn, and I thank you for taking the time to even read this let alone answer it

 

Rammy

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No problems, smaller PCs fascinate me.

I'd still go for an i5 if you can stretch that far. At the low end a 750K/760K is a great little CPU, but when paired up with the likes of a GTX770 you're likely to be a little CPU limited in some games.
If you look at 4000-series i5s as a range, they are effectively all the same CPU running at different clock speeds (there are a few minor differences to things like the turbo function, but these aren't hugely significant). The K is simply for the overclockable models, so the best value i5 is almost always going to be the cheapest one on offer. As I mentioned before, I'd look at the 4430/4440/4460 which run at 3.0, 3.1 and 3.2 Ghz respectively.

To my knowledge there isn't an easy way of comparing PSU depths (it's something that comes up fairly often on smaller builds). Off the top of my head, the Corsair CS range are 140mm long. They wouldn't be a normal recommend for me, but they should be reasonably solid and fairly easy to get hold of.
Few others - Antec EA 550/650 Platinum, Silverstone Strider Essential Gold 500/600, Silverstone Strider Gold 550. All of those (other than the Corsair) are made by FSP, who also sell some under their own branding which have the same 140mm depth.

I wouldn't say there is a good or bad motherboard company to go with. Asus, Gigabyte, MSI and ASRock are the big four, but due to the form factor there isn't a huge selection anyway. If you want bang/buck, then going for a super cheap H81 ITX board like an Asus H81I-PLUS is great value, but if you need Wifi then the price basically doubles when you are looking at the likes of MSI H97I AC and Gigabyte GA-H97N-WIFI.
 

Anthony OBrien

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The prospective parts list I have so far is:-

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i
Motherboard: Asus H81I-PLUS
Case: Lian-Li PC-TU200B
PSU: Silverstone Strider Gold 650W
Plus whatever Optical Drive is cheapest

Now the only problem is it comes to about £550 hopefully I can recoup some of the cost by selling the old bits xD

Is there anything else you would suggest to add or change?
 

Rammy

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I probably wouldn't bother with the cooler or a 650W PSU if you can get a 500/550W version for cheaper, as you really don't need the headroom, but otherwise it looks fine.
For the cooler, the Intel stock cooler should suffice, and if you are going to spend a not insignificant amount on a cooler like that, it's worth bearing in mind that Noctua don't recommend it for these CPUs.


For the motherboard, make sure you don't need any additional features as H81 boards are fairly sparse but some of their limitations are lessened at ITX form due to size limitations.


Also, incase anyone else mentions it, pcpartpicker does have a compatibility checker for CPUcoolers and PSUs, but I have found it incredibly unreliable.
 

Anthony OBrien

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I can't seem to find out how tall the stock cooler is, I would have about 80mm of room for the Cooler would there be anything at that size which would out perform the stock and quite importantly be quieter, my dads PC uses the Stock Intel cooler and last summer sounded like a lawnmower.

I found a 500w PSU of the same type but about half the price.

What additional features are we looking at on the motherboard?
 

Rammy

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Intel stock cooler will certainly fit, I'd guess the reason the Noctua is not recommended is because it can run at such high rpm that it becomes fairly noisey itself. Intel stock cooler is pretty subjective, I've seen plenty of reviews showing how incredibly quiet and efficient it is (especially considering it is effectively free) but personally I found it a little annoying as the smaller fan made a different pitch of noise to my case fans and stood out a bit.

There's a load of stuff as you have H81 at the bottom of the pile and go through B85, H87, H97 before hitting Z87 and Z97, and each has it's own feature-set which motherboard manufacturers may chose to support or ignore.
Basically, H81 is limited to 2 sticks of 1600 RAM (not a problem at ITX), can't run multiple graphics cards (again, no problem) and only has two SATA 3 ports (which can be supplemented with two SATA 2 as with the Asus you picked). It also is a bit limited in terms of USB3.0 ports and doesn't have the ability to do stuff like SSD caching or CPU overclocking. The subsequent chipsets generally "fix" one or more of those points.
 
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Anthony OBrien

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Well I will give the Stock one a shot then change it later if it is to loud or hot.

The RAM I have is 1600 so there isn't gonna be an issue, Presumably you mean two SATA 6 and two SATA 3, The two SATA 6 ports would go to my boot drive and primary storage, and if I ever needed more storage space it would only be for movies and the like so wouldn't particularly need SATA 6. I have no intention of doing SSD caching, the number of USB 3.0 ports is fine for me, and I wont be Overclocking.

So it would seem that the H81 will suit me fine.

Well I think I am pretty much all set, now I just gotta get the bits and rebuild it, thank you for your help Rammy!