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June 18, 2014 7:05:31 AM

Hello, maybe no one of you remember me, I'm that guy with a defective AMD 7790 Graphics Card, BTW I finally got it RMA'd and now I own a perfectly working Radeon R7 260x.

Now here's my situation: I'm a 20yr old guy who likes to game on a PC, who's got a bunch of friends who already have their next-gen PC's, and I'm still stuck with a Athlon II x2 250 processor.
I have kind of a work (they pay me for days and tehy usually call me 2 or 3 days a week) so I'm having like 100-150 euros/week.

I'm trying to save money, and maybe in a couple of weeks I could have something like 300 euros (I do have my spends, I cant save all the money that I get).

Well if you've read my little story, thank you, if you've not I won't blame you :D , but here's the thing: I need a MoBo, CPU and a case for something like 250-300 euros, so I could also get a new HDD and RAM. Ive been looking to the FX 6300, Intel i3 4xxx, even to the FX 8320.
Been doing A FREAKING LOT of research and I've reached no conclusion but more confusion in return, so I came here where I know there's a lot of PC Gamers with experience in all kinds of builds to see if you people would be so kind of help in my decission.

Sorry if I made any mistakes in the text, I'm from Spain and I know this little bit of English.

Thank you a lot to all for your atention, I will be looking forward to this thread, and will try to help aswell when I can do it.


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June 18, 2014 7:13:31 AM

the FX-8320 would probably be your best bet for the CPUs you mentioned. Both the new-gen consoles have an 8-core CPU, and the FX-8320 has 8 cores, so games that are ported from console to PC will definately find good use of the extra cores. The 6300 will probably suffice and won't bottleneck your graphics card. P.S. I wouldn't go for a processor with less than 4 cores.
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June 18, 2014 7:19:36 AM

Thank you for your answer! Like I said ive been doing lot of research and while all that you say is true, ive found that recently and not-so recently released games (Watchdogs for example) wont run on a fx chip as good as it runs on a i3/i5. I had that same idea that you have, but after seeing a lot of benchmarks I'm begginingt to doubt about this really being true.
I'm looking at the future release of GTAV (it's oficially coming this fall rockstar says) and I'm worried about the FX chips performing good at that game.
Looooot of confusion and not that lot of money (I would get some k i5 if I had money :D )
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June 18, 2014 7:22:26 AM

Did it based on germany so its in euros:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (€154.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€41.98 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€59.90 @ Caseking)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (€38.01 @ Hardwareversand)
Total: €294.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-18 16:22 CEST+0200

Good budget case, 4th gen i5, motherboard and RAM :) 
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June 18, 2014 7:39:18 AM

Personally if you are looking to get a cheap and upgradable machine today you should look at the news of the Asus boards that allow for overclocking on non Z87/Z97 chipsets and also look at the new unlocked Pentium. Toms did a nice article on the Pentium where it pretty much owned an AMD 750k on every game they tested and it still leaves an upgrade path to newer i5's and i7's which you could throw in there in a year or two and refresh the machine so it feels nice and quick again.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pentium-g3258-overc...

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-overclocking-h87-...

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June 18, 2014 7:42:02 AM

Skallagrim1 said:
the FX-8320 would probably be your best bet for the CPUs you mentioned. Both the new-gen consoles have an 8-core CPU, and the FX-8320 has 8 cores, so games that are ported from console to PC will definately find good use of the extra cores. The 6300 will probably suffice and won't bottleneck your graphics card. P.S. I wouldn't go for a processor with less than 4 cores.


Except of course all 8 of those crappy console cores can't out-math a stock i3 anyway because they are so slow. Peopel have been saying games are going to scale to cores since the first dual core pentium days and yet these days the vast majority of games don't scale well past 2-4 cores depending on the game.

Also, the 8320/8350 competes with top i3's and low end i5's in most cases for gaming with a few exceptions that it does really well at, but AMD really doens't have anything to compete in the performance gaming area anymore.
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June 18, 2014 7:43:17 AM

RobCrezz said:
Did it based on germany so its in euros:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (€154.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€41.98 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€59.90 @ Caseking)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (€38.01 @ Hardwareversand)
Total: €294.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-18 16:22 CEST+0200

Good budget case, 4th gen i5, motherboard and RAM :) 


Thank you! That's more or less what I could afford, thought i'll have to wait a pair of weeks to gather all the money :/ 
Do you think i'll be fine with the lowest i5 for games like the upcoming GTAV? I'm asking this because I could get a new graphics card in a year or so if I see that I kind of need that, but I wont like to be needing a CPU update in a year because with my new lets say 200€ GPU GTA V lags at 20FPS because of the CPU :S
That's one of my biggest doubts when buying a new CPU, makes me wonder if ill be better with a FX chip (more cores) or if they (FX) wont be enough due to they lower single/threaded capacity.
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June 18, 2014 7:48:38 AM

David093 said:
RobCrezz said:
Did it based on germany so its in euros:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (€154.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€41.98 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€59.90 @ Caseking)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (€38.01 @ Hardwareversand)
Total: €294.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-18 16:22 CEST+0200

Good budget case, 4th gen i5, motherboard and RAM :) 


Thank you! That's more or less what I could afford, thought i'll have to wait a pair of weeks to gather all the money :/ 
Do you think i'll be fine with the lowest i5 for games like the upcoming GTAV? I'm asking this because I could get a new graphics card in a year or so if I see that I kind of need that, but I wont like to be needing a CPU update in a year because with my new lets say 200€ GPU GTA IV lags at 20FPS because of the CPU :S
That's one of my biggest doubts when buying a new CPU, makes me wonder if ill be better with a FX chip (more cores) or if they (FX) wont be enough due to they lower single/threaded capacity.


Yeah its a very good CPU, this is good enough for pretty much any single GPU graphics card.

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June 18, 2014 7:49:33 AM

David093 said:
RobCrezz said:
Did it based on germany so its in euros:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4440 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor (€154.90 @ Caseking)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (€41.98 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Team Vulcan 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (€59.90 @ Caseking)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (€38.01 @ Hardwareversand)
Total: €294.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-18 16:22 CEST+0200

Good budget case, 4th gen i5, motherboard and RAM :) 


Thank you! That's more or less what I could afford, thought i'll have to wait a pair of weeks to gather all the money :/ 
Do you think i'll be fine with the lowest i5 for games like the upcoming GTAV? I'm asking this because I could get a new graphics card in a year or so if I see that I kind of need that, but I wont like to be needing a CPU update in a year because with my new lets say 200€ GPU GTA IV lags at 20FPS because of the CPU :S
That's one of my biggest doubts when buying a new CPU, makes me wonder if ill be better with a FX chip (more cores) or if they (FX) wont be enough due to they lower single/threaded capacity.


Unless you are making a work rig that does things like media editing all day but also happens to plays few games then just avoid AMD. They really don't excel at gaming and generate way more heat and waste power for similar performance.

Personally, from that rig RobCrezz made to a 4670k and a z97 board would only be waiting another week or two... I think it's worth the wait.
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June 18, 2014 7:59:14 AM

Traciatim said:


Unless you are making a work rig that does things like media editing all day but also happens to plays few games then just avoid AMD. They really don't excel at gaming and generate way more heat and waste power for similar performance.

Personally, from that rig RobCrezz made to a 4670k and a z97 board would only be waiting another week or two... I think it's worth the wait.


But a 4670k is almost 200€ and a z97 board, well, they're up to 100€... That is much more than what I initially had thought (a FX chip is around 100€ and a decent 970 board is about 70) that makes a more than 100€ diff. that I could spend on RAM, HDD, and case.
What if I get a cheaper board, like those that Traciatim said, and a 4670k? could I be able to overclock it a bit and it would be fine in perfomance?
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June 18, 2014 8:12:22 AM

David093 said:
Traciatim said:


Unless you are making a work rig that does things like media editing all day but also happens to plays few games then just avoid AMD. They really don't excel at gaming and generate way more heat and waste power for similar performance.

Personally, from that rig RobCrezz made to a 4670k and a z97 board would only be waiting another week or two... I think it's worth the wait.


But a 4670k is almost 200€ and a z97 board, well, they're up to 100€... That is much more than what I initially had thought (a FX chip is around 100€ and a decent 970 board is about 70) that makes a more than 100€ diff. that I could spend on RAM, HDD, and case.
What if I get a cheaper board, like those that Traciatim said, and a 4670k? could I be able to overclock it a bit and it would be fine in perfomance?


That's why I said it's just an extra week and worth the wait rather than sacrificing quality for savings.
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June 18, 2014 8:13:51 AM

David093 said:
Traciatim said:


Unless you are making a work rig that does things like media editing all day but also happens to plays few games then just avoid AMD. They really don't excel at gaming and generate way more heat and waste power for similar performance.

Personally, from that rig RobCrezz made to a 4670k and a z97 board would only be waiting another week or two... I think it's worth the wait.


But a 4670k is almost 200€ and a z97 board, well, they're up to 100€... That is much more than what I initially had thought (a FX chip is around 100€ and a decent 970 board is about 70) that makes a more than 100€ diff. that I could spend on RAM, HDD, and case.
What if I get a cheaper board, like those that Traciatim said, and a 4670k? could I be able to overclock it a bit and it would be fine in perfomance?


Personally, I like the K CPUs and I like to overclock, but its rarely worth the extra money. You will get almost as good performance for much less money going with a H series board with a non K i5.

(coming from someone with a overclocked 2500k.)
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June 18, 2014 1:44:20 PM

Thank you to all of you for your guidance and help. So i'm beggining to assume that a FX6300 would be not enough for stable perfomance in next-gen games, and a 8320 is overkill in cores and insuficient in real single-threaded perfomance. So my best option would be to go Intel and get the best i5 that I can and a decent mobo and do not overclock. Am I right? I'm a little bit lost because before today I was thinking that the FX chips were good even if they are not powerful in s-threaded, but for what you are saying those CPU's are not worth for gaming and they will cause me troubles.
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June 18, 2014 1:58:15 PM

David093 said:
Thank you to all of you for your guidance and help. So i'm beggining to assume that a FX6300 would be not enough for stable perfomance in next-gen games, and a 8320 is overkill in cores and insuficient in real single-threaded perfomance. So my best option would be to go Intel and get the best i5 that I can and a decent mobo and do not overclock. Am I right? I'm a little bit lost because before today I was thinking that the FX chips were good even if they are not powerful in s-threaded, but for what you are saying those CPU's are not worth for gaming and they will cause me troubles.


I wouldn't go as far to say the 8320/8350 aren't good, they have their place and perform about as well as you would expect a budget processor to perform. You also essentially have no current upgrade path so you will probably end up replacing it in a couple of years. They will generally match their similarly priced Intel counnterparts for the most part if you average out a bunch of tests. Most of the gaming tests though you'd end up somewhere near the top end i3's or entry to mid i5's in performance.

I think the point that most people are making is that if you want a performance gaming rig eventually you should probably look at a decent Intel motherboard with a weaker processor now and then upgrade it in the future or just shoot for some type of compromise with the MB/CPU combo to get good performance now. The best compromise I think is wait an extra week so you can get something great now instead of something just acceptable.
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June 18, 2014 2:19:06 PM

It just gets more and more confusing for me now hahahaha!
OK so, I'll begin to gather money from the next pay I get but BTW I still confused on what to get when I already have it (in less than a month I hope).
Now you Traciatim are telling me that i should also get a good MB not a cheap one, if i want a perfomance gaming rig, so a "cheap" (H81) MB wont give me good perf. with a non. OC i5? Why? :S
And also, I need to have this clear, I dont want to spend what I can gather this summer on a CPU and that when GTA V comes out my CPU bottlenecks perfomance (lets say that if i need it ill get a better GPU but im not willing to change also CPU, not in 6 months and if it's not necessary not in 3 or 4 years).

Thank you again for your time and patience, It may seem that I argue everything but it's not because me believing to actually know anything but, opposite to that, I'm so lost at this time that I don't know what to get and i question everything bcs of the fact of spending that money and wanting the PC to last me long time without perfomance problems. It is the first gaming rig that I get, I come from a X360 and I like the PC world but when it comes to choose something for me, I am terrible.
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June 19, 2014 1:24:17 AM

David093 said:
It just gets more and more confusing for me now hahahaha!
OK so, I'll begin to gather money from the next pay I get but BTW I still confused on what to get when I already have it (in less than a month I hope).
Now you Traciatim are telling me that i should also get a good MB not a cheap one, if i want a perfomance gaming rig, so a "cheap" (H81) MB wont give me good perf. with a non. OC i5? Why? :S
And also, I need to have this clear, I dont want to spend what I can gather this summer on a CPU and that when GTA V comes out my CPU bottlenecks perfomance (lets say that if i need it ill get a better GPU but im not willing to change also CPU, not in 6 months and if it's not necessary not in 3 or 4 years).

Thank you again for your time and patience, It may seem that I argue everything but it's not because me believing to actually know anything but, opposite to that, I'm so lost at this time that I don't know what to get and i question everything bcs of the fact of spending that money and wanting the PC to last me long time without perfomance problems. It is the first gaming rig that I get, I come from a X360 and I like the PC world but when it comes to choose something for me, I am terrible.


Performance difference between motherboards is usually 1% or less. You usually buy based on features that you want.

If you want to OC, then you have to buy a more expensive Z motherboard and a K Cpu.
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June 19, 2014 5:14:30 AM

RobCrezz said:


Performance difference between motherboards is usually 1% or less. You usually buy based on features that you want.

If you want to OC, then you have to buy a more expensive Z motherboard and a K Cpu.


Thanks for answering that doubt, I was suspecting what you said and its good to get a confirmation.
But I'm wondering now, if I get one of that MB wich Asus has "unlocked" it's overclocking features, I could buy a i5 k and i'd be able to overclockit without touching the voltages, I do have a aftermarket cooler in my CPU and i think it is compatible with 1150 boards, and in case it's not I could buy another one for 20 or 30 euros. The question is, it will have risks to overclock on a board that probably does not have the protections needed? (I dont know that much, but i've read about VRM, power phases, dissipation on VRMs or Mosfets or whatever hahah).
Again im very thankful to you and to the others that have provided me with more knowledge to do my decission.

EDITING: I have re-readed all the answers and, it seems like i shouldnt care about oc and I should get just the best i5 that I can, am I right? And also, what is the difference between, lets say, the cheapest i5 (4440) a 4570, 4670, 4590.... it's each more costful and im really confused with this because there is that 4670 that is 3,4Ghz, and then I see this 4590 with 0.1 less Ghz but it cost just 2€ more. What the....¿?¿?
And then is this 4690 that I guess that is the top of the i5's in perfomance, but it is that much better than the 4440? 4690 costs 200€ and 4440 150€... There has to be some perfomance differences.

EDIT 2: For what I see in the store I use to buy, the only differences between the i5 are just the freq. and the turbo frequencies. Am I right or there is some other differences in perfomances mhz x mhz? because if it is just the mhz I surely would go with the 4570 that for just 10€ more I get 0.3Ghz more turbo frequency than 4440. And i would ignore the more expensive i5 as they only offer 0.3-0.5 Ghz difference but for almost 40 € more.
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June 19, 2014 5:47:41 AM

Yeah if you arent confident with overclocking, then dont bother, just get the best i5 you can afford.
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June 19, 2014 5:56:58 AM

RobCrezz said:
Yeah if you arent confident with overclocking, then dont bother, just get the best i5 you can afford.


It is not that I am not confident with it, I've done it to my previous CPU's and I would like to have a chip with that possibility, but its very expensive to get a MB and CPU able to overclock on the Intel side, and IMO it's not worth the cost, but I could be wrong because I want something that gives me the best value for my money and maybe a k i5 and a MB able to OC it's the best value for "future proof", but i really don't know if it is worth the extra money that it costs.
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June 19, 2014 6:20:54 AM

No its really not worth the extra money, with the more expensive mobo, more expensive cpu cooler etc.
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