Internet won't work with new modem, only works when pushed through a router, old modem worked great.

Klamz

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I'll start by saying I do have my connection working but I am very curious as to why it won't work the way it should. This is a wired connection, no wireless is being used.

I was upgrading my internet speed from 10Mbs to 30Mbs and my cable company (Brighthouse) said I needed a new modem for the 30Mbs connection. My connection with the old modem at 10Mbs was working great before the switch. It went from the wall to the modem to my computer. The guy who installed it couldn't get it to work and neither could I, so they sent someone else who also couldn't get it to work as it should but we figured out a workaround. For some reason it works when we send the connection through a router between the modem and the computer. But not just any router, my older router won't work but his somewhat newer (not too new) does. When the first tech was here he had his laptop with him and his laptop connected just fine. I tried changing all the cables out and the lights on the back of the computer where they connect do flash. The computer says "Network Cable Unplugged". I started off on windows XP Media Center Edition and was hoping maybe the newer modem doesn't work with it or something so I upgraded to Win7 Ultimate 32Bit, both operating systems gave the same error. Network drivers were up-to-date on both installations. ipconfig says: Media State Disconnected. Autoconnect keeps rotating from Disabled -> Enabled -> Identifying and repeated. When I click on it while it is in the enabled or identifying you can see that packets are being sent but not received and just keep adding up as time goes on. Under details for that page it does list an IP address that looks normal though not close to what I'm used to and have now and a subnet mask which is set to 255.255.0.0 (not sure if that helps or not, just looked unusual for that). The only thing I can really think of is that either something in my BIOS doesn't work with the new modem protocols or that my network adapter doesn't work with them. I don't know how all the TCP from IPv4 to IPv6 changes things but my guess is that for my network adapter the new changes aren't backwards compatible with it and that sending it through the router somehow bridges the compatibility issues. Maybe it's just the new modem that doesn't work with older adapters directly?

Specs:

Dimension E510 - Circa August 2006 (upgraded ram to 3GB, video card and power supply)
Network Adapter: Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Netowrk Connection
Previous working cable modem: MOTOROLA SB5101U
New Nonworking (for me) cable modem (unless routed through netgear): MOTOROLA SB6141
Router that works: NETGEAR WGR614 V7-VC
Router that won't work (older router) - LINKSYS BEFSR41

Hope you can help, very curious...
 
Do you have DHCP set up or using a static IP? Did you try a different cable? Try to fully reset the modem? At times the modems get stuck with a certain MAC address of a device and will not give an IP address to a system without a reboot of the modem. Sometimes the ISP needs to reset it not just a reset at your premises. You'd want to use a router anyway with a modem.
 

humangod

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Media State: Media Disconnected means there is no layer 1 link; something physical is causing the problem. Check your cabling. If your cabling is good, perhaps loose pins in the ethernet port (could be on either end). Don't read too much into this and start over thinking and over analyzing.

Connect everything the way you want it connected and then post the output of ipconfig/all. This can help us troubleshoot.
 

Klamz

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DHCP is enabled, tried switching out all cables, modem has been reset numerous times.

If it's something physical then I would think it wouldn't work with the router attached to it either, but it does.

ipconfig/all is as follows: #1 is for when it says Network Cable Unplugged, #2 is when it says Enabled or Identifying. As stated in my previous post it keeps rotating between those three. #3 is a copy of it when the router is hooked up and the connection is working great.

#1

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Me-PC
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-13-72-E2-91-1B
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter isatap.{6058FDF8-4F79-4DB3-9445-F50EB1439EBC}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

#2

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Me-PC
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-13-72-E2-91-1B
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::dc0b:9308:78a1:5209%11(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.2(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, June 19, 2014 8:36:29 AM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, June 20, 2014 2:38:25 PM
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 251663218
DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-1B-30-F7-21-00-13-72-E2-91-1B

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter isatap.{6058FDF8-4F79-4DB3-9445-F50EB1439EBC}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

#3

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Me-PC
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connection
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-13-72-E2-91-1B
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::dc0b:9308:78a1:5209%11(Preferred)
IPv4 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.3(Preferred)
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, June 19, 2014 2:54:14 PM
Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, June 20, 2014 2:54:14 PM
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
DHCPv6 IAID . . . . . . . . . . . : 251663218
DHCPv6 Client DUID. . . . . . . . : 00-01-00-01-1B-30-F7-21-00-13-72-E2-91-1B

DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Enabled

Tunnel adapter isatap.{6058FDF8-4F79-4DB3-9445-F50EB1439EBC}:

Media State . . . . . . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Microsoft ISATAP Adapter
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes

Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-E0
DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IPv6 Address. . . . . . . . . . . : 2001:0:9d38:6ab8:3846:38e0:3f57:fefc(Pref
erred)
Link-local IPv6 Address . . . . . : fe80::3846:38e0:3f57:fefc%12(Preferred)
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : ::
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

Looking at the difference between #2 and #3 I would assume it's a problem in the Tunnel adapter Teredo Tunneling Pseudo-Interface with the IPv6 but when I'm using the router and everything is working my Local Area Connection says IPv4 - Internet and IPv6 - No Network Access... So I dunno if I'm even using IPv6. The only other difference in #2 to #3 is that the one that's working has a DHCP server listed under the Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection section. Again though, it was all working fine with the older modem on the slower 10Mbs service.

UPDATE: They needed to put in a different modem today, something to do with how they track the codes and it not being right in their leasing system or whatever. They gave me a Motorola SBG6580 and it works fine without a router attached to it, but it does have 4 cat5 ports in the back so I guess it's built into it... I dunno, just really curious on why the previous one would only work under the certain circumstances.
 

namf

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Klamz,

I know this is an older post of yours.. I am just curious if you have found a full solution to your problem. I actually have a very similar issue right now and am looking for a solution. I have been with my ISP (Comcast) for over a year. For the first 9 months I was renting their modem (I don't remember the model). In my environment I had the Comcast modem, and my personal Dlink router. I had my desktop hardwired into my router, and for some time I also had my computer wired to the Comcast modem. I purchased a Surfboard sb6141, after setting all of that up my computer (desktop) stopped working. It indicates that the network cable is unplugged. I have tested different cables and different computers on this same port and they all work fine. That led me to believe that something was wrong with my on board network.. During this time, I was considering changing my ISP (CenturyLink), I did so for about a week and decided to cancel because I wasn't pleased with the speeds I was getting, and I wasn't quite sold on DSL. My wired computer worked perfectly fine on that network.. I started to mess with my duplex settings changing it from "Auto Duplexing" to "100mb full". I managed to get it to work on that. However, it will stay connected for 3 days or so, and then I have to changed it back to Auto, restart computer, than change it back to 100mb full. (This isn't always successful). When it comes to networking, I'm not that well educated. I am baffled at what is going on, and desperate to find an answer. So my question is, why does my computer work fine in other environments, and with the other modems, but why is it so finicky with my new modem? If you have found a solution to your issues that would be great to hear and may help me out with my issues. Thanks for your time.