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Omar Hesham

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Hello guys

its my first thread in this forum, this site really helped me much ^_^

im currently building a new gaming rig i bought the CM K380 with 500W CM Extreme power plus

im going to use it as a gaming pc mostly, im going to buy the following

intel core i5-4440 haswell 3.1ghz 6m lga 1150 quad-core desktop processor or AMD FX 8350 can any one reccomend me a good processor in the same price range =)

If im going with Intel :Gigabyte GA-B85-HD3 Socket 1150 Motherboard

If AMD :Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P Socket AM3+ Motherboard

GPU: PowerColor R9 270X 2GB GDDR5 OC
 
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I have an FX-8350 and its a gaming build too. I will give you an honest answer (no AMD fanboyism).

Its a good processor but if you want to compare it to the i5 you need to evaluate what kind of software you will be using.

AMD's 8 core processor are really good for the price if you're going to use multithreaded sofware such as video rendering and stuff like that. Games that use multithreading are more common over time because of the new consoles (the PS4 have 8 cores so PC ports will work great with the FX-8350) but are still rare and i doubt most of them are going to use the FX 8 cores. The only game that i can think of that will really use the FX multithreading capabilities right now is BF4.

Also two of the major con's of the...

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Looks like a good idea. So you already have a case and power supply. IF you could give us a general budget or a list of parts from pc part picker it is helpful for evaluation. Thanks. Do you need an operating system or a monitor.
 

Omar Hesham

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Thanks for your reply =))

my Budget is around 500$

I Already have a monitor and 500 GB HDD i dont need OS

And i live in egypt im afraid i cant buy things from amazon or newegg.

Missing parts are MOBO CPU GPU and im really confused between buying the I5 4440 Haswell or AMD FX 8350
 

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Hi
I have an FX-8350 and its a gaming build too. I will give you an honest answer (no AMD fanboyism).

Its a good processor but if you want to compare it to the i5 you need to evaluate what kind of software you will be using.

AMD's 8 core processor are really good for the price if you're going to use multithreaded sofware such as video rendering and stuff like that. Games that use multithreading are more common over time because of the new consoles (the PS4 have 8 cores so PC ports will work great with the FX-8350) but are still rare and i doubt most of them are going to use the FX 8 cores. The only game that i can think of that will really use the FX multithreading capabilities right now is BF4.

Also two of the major con's of the FX-8350 is the heat output and the power usage (generally 240 watts when loaded, and over 300 watts if you intend on overclocking).

The GPU you have right now use approximatelly between 125 and 150 watts. If we put the worst case scenario your power consumtion only for the CPU and GPU would be 390 watts if no overclock and 450+ watts if overclocked (This doesnt include everything else on you computer). With your 500w power supply I wouldn't recommend overclocking since you'd be really close to its limit and generally you want to leave a little extra just to be on the safe side.

I live in Canada and here its generally cold and the worst temperature i can get in the summer is around 30 degrees Celcius and i dont use AC. In a small room my computer can drastically increase the temperature up to 35 degrees. I saw that you live in egypt so that might be a problem if you dont have an AC like me.

Also even if the FX is cheaper, you have to consider the electric bill, the i5 youll be using use 190 watts loaded, so approximatelly 50 watt less. I dont know anything about electric prices in egypt but it wasn't a problem for me since we have cheap electricity in Quebec.

If you want to see the recommended PSU wattage for any kind of build you can follow this link (thats how I knew all the numbers): http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

About the I5, I dont have one but what i know about it is that it will use less power, make less heat and will generally have better performance with single threaded software.

With your 500w power supply and with the fact that you will be mainly gaming, id recommend you the i5. You always want to leave some room for you PSU in case you want to add stuff in your computer later. Also, i dont know the number for an overclocked i5 but i belleve you will be able to overclock it safely with your power supply.

I like the FX-8350 because its good at multithreading (i can render videos almost just as well as a i7), but you also need to consider its cons. You should check on google what kinds of games you will be playing to see if its multithreaded or not.

Here's a summary:

FX-8350:
Pros: -Good at multithreading (Almost as good as an i7 and definetly better than an i5)
-Cheap price (check your electric bill though)
-Overclocks easily since its unlocked (i would'nt recommend it with you PSU though)

Cons: -Heats up a lot
-Use more power
-Perform almost like an i3 for single threaded application (some times its comparable to an old i5)

Intel i5:
Pros: -Better at single threaded software (most games but not always)
-Lower power consumtion and therefore heat output.

Cons: -Not as good on multithreaded software
-Price is a little bit higher.

Thats all I know about these processors, the choice is yours. The're all good processors but you need to choose one according to your needs and the type of software you will be using. I dont know anything about those motherboard but i use the gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P and its hasn't failled me (great MOBO if you dont intend on overclocking too much).
 
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Omar Hesham

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Thanks Max =))

about overclocking No i wont be overclocking anything they will be at the stock speed

max Temprature in egypt in summer is about 37

and i want a build that will last a couple of years ahead playing games in ultra ^_^ FX 8350 + R9 270x wont work with my PSU? Extreme power plus 500 WATT
 

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Yes the FX should work with your PSU but keep in mind that the fX use a lot more power 40 to 100 more watts, that extra wattage could be used to install another hard drive or more fans, etc. It's just something to consider if you plan on adding things or upgrading your computer later. The build i use for instance got a 750W power supply so got enough power even if i wanted to overclock my FX-8350.

I just calculated your build on psu calculator and it got 445W recommended with the FX, so 55W spare if you want to add things, and thats an approximation so more power could be needed. With the i5 4440k you get 411W so 89W spare.

Keep in mind that you should never have exactly 500W of power consumption since you'll be pushing your PSU to its limits.

Also, this is a bit superficial but 37 degrees is really hot, sometimes at 32 degrees of room temperature my cpu will go at 55 degrees and the FX threshold is at 61 so the cpu slows down in order to keep itself from overheating (and I have two 140mm fans on my case, so the airflow is great). Most I5 can go up to 70 degrees Celsius so they withstand heat a lot better than the fx-8 series. The FX stock cooler is good but sometimes its not enough, thats why im currently shopping for a better cooler. Because of this and the fact that you will be mainly gaming, i really recommend the i5.

The I5-4590 was picked by tom's hardware as the best cpu for the money (200$) this month: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-3.html
The i5-4440 got similar benchmarks and is slightly cheaper: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4590-vs-Intel-Core-i5-4440

If you want, you could spend a bit more to get a better performance for the price.
 

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Hi
about that, your motherboard GA-B85-HD3 got a pci express slot on it so your GPU should fit on it. However, i just realized that your gpu need 2 PCI-E power connections (I think that's what you're talking about).

Because of this, you have 2 options to solve this issue:

1. Purchase a smaller GPU such as the R9 270 instead of the R9 270x.

SAPPHIRE DUAL-X R9 270 and R9-270A-CNFC got great reviews and they only need one PCI-E.

Here are the links: http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?pid=2039#
http://xfxforce.com/en-us/products/amd-radeon-r9-series/amd-radeon-r9-270-core-edition-r9-270a-cnfc

If you want to get a GPU from the same company you could get the power color r9 270: http://www.powercolor.com/global/products_features.asp?id=525#Specification

Just make sure that you buy the R9 270 and not the r9 270x. R9 270x usually use two power connections and the R9 270 use just one (Some use 2 though so be extra carefull, those linked above only use one). Also, the r9 270 is an underclocked version of the 270x so they will be performing a slower than a 270x by a slight margin.

2. If you really want an R9 270x you can always purchase another power supply to get the extra PCI-E connector

So its up to you, personally I recommend you the Sapphire Dual-X since it got two fans and is cheaper. Also, since this GPU is cheaper than the R9 270x, you could use that extra money to get the I5-4590 instead of the i5-4440 so it wont be a total performance loss if you get a better CPU.