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June 18, 2014 7:40:59 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: in the next 3 weeks (from June 18th).

Budget Range: $400 Before Rebates; After Shipping (aiming for the rebates to make up for shipping). May consider $450. Not including a keyboard ($25) and monitor ($30) that I will need.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, web surfing, word processing, and Graphic Design/things to do with movie making (possibly in the future).

Are you buying a monitor: Yes, a used tv with hdmi.


Parts to Upgrade: All, making a new system.

Do you need to buy OS: No.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.ca, ncix.com, http://wiki.freegeekvancouver.org/article/Thrift_Store_..., anywhere else where parts can be found for the least money.

Location: Vancouver, Canada.

Parts Preferences: Amd (for value) cpu (would like FX. 6300?). Good gpu. eg. HD 7870 or R9 270 (I heard r9 270 is better for price). Can get cheap ram, dvd drive, and hdd (and any other parts in which used is ok) used for cheap. Mobo to have 4 ram slots as I would like 16gb ram cheap.

Overclocking: Maybe. (Probably yes)

SLI or Crossfire: if I can get two used gpus for cheap. (no)

Your Monitor Resolution: Probably buying used hdmi tv, I think 1280x1024 (found out later that it was 1280x733). (Ended up buying a 1080p monitor)

Additional Comments:
I can buy used parts to reduce cost

I have never built before. I currently don't have a desktop.
I want to buy to play current new games at max and be able to play new games 7 years later (quality doesn't have to be too good at that time). Edit: 5 years

Something cheaper than this:
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/mv9BhM
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/mv9BhM/by_merchant/

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($124.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($54.95 @ Vuugo)
Storage: Can buy used 500GB 3.5" Internal Hard Drive ($30.00)
Memory: Can buy used for $40
Video Card: Club 3D Radeon R9 270 2GB '14Series Video Card ($159.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Thermaltake SMART 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($39.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Total: $489.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-18 22:30 EDT-0400

Any responses/builds/answers will be appreciated!!! Thanks!
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June 18, 2014 7:50:18 PM

That system would struggle to play new games at max now, I think.
In 7 years time it is unlikely a system built from those parts would manage new games at an
enjoyable level. Even an i7 would struggle.
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June 18, 2014 8:01:41 PM

I tried to make a build, but the "maybes" make it impossible. An overclocking/upgradeable mobo is $100 and cpu will be between $75-120. We haven't even touched the GPU yet. Worst is you want $450 before the rebates when canadian prices are so high already :p 

And futureproofing is a bit of marketing at play because technology advances so quickly, that a $600 build in 5 year may be equivalent to a $900-1000 build now. Not only that but who knows what the requirements for games will be in the future :) 
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June 18, 2014 8:06:37 PM

tea urchin said:
That system would struggle to play new games at max now, I think.
In 7 years time it is unlikely a system built from those parts would manage new games at an
enjoyable level. Even an i7 would struggle.

So what would be the cheapest setup to play today's games at high/max settings?
What settings would you expect my listed build to play?

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June 18, 2014 8:10:31 PM

I could not say what that graphics card will do but it is not max, and the cpu is not great.
Lower even than an i3 for most titles. If you want performance for your money you get any used sandy bridge or later i5 cpu , a new budget asus motherboard and the best graphics card you can afford,used or not.Locked intel chips last forever, making used a good option.
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June 18, 2014 8:12:03 PM

jaraldo said:
I tried to make a build, but the "maybes" make it impossible. An overclocking/upgradeable mobo is $100 and cpu will be between $75-120. We haven't even touched the GPU yet. Worst is you want $450 before the rebates when canadian prices are so high already :p 

And futureproofing is a bit of marketing at play because technology advances so quickly, that a $600 build in 5 year may be equivalent to a $900-1000 build now. Not only that but who knows what the requirements for games will be in the future :) 


For me, I would be hoping for the best performance for as little as possible. I haven't built anything before (no experience), so I'm not very sure what would be the true cheapest way to go.

I'm hoping to play games for at least 5 years, at least on minimum settings

Oh ya, should I edit it to be certain for each maybe and possibly?

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June 18, 2014 8:13:38 PM

tea urchin said:
I could not say what that graphics card will do but it is not max, and the cpu is not great.
Lower even than an i3 for most titles. If you want performance for your money you get any used sandy bridge or later i5 cpu , a new budget asus motherboard and the best graphics card you can afford,used or not.

Where would I get the cheap parts?

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June 18, 2014 8:19:04 PM

And also, what would you say is the recommended money sharing?
eg. cpu 30%, ram 10%
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June 18, 2014 8:22:18 PM

You will be investing a lot into gpu-->cpu--->mobo, most expensive 3 usually.

I know in my build it was about 40-45% of my budget for them. (out of $1100 build)
On a tight budget build though, mostly the CPU/GPU will be the issue and usually around 35-50% the budget.
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June 18, 2014 8:22:30 PM

The cheapest way to go is the way I just described. I built an i5 4430 / hd5850 gaming pc for £280 .
The only part I 'had' was the power supply. The rest was purchased for the task.The 5850 was bought from a reliable friend. Any cheaper than that is going to lead to disapointment sooner, I am afraid.
The most common Question on this site is; 'How do I build a good games pc with no money?'
There is no answer.
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June 18, 2014 8:32:44 PM

I Will give you a rundown; i5 4430 haswell cpu; (used)£98.99
Mboard; Asus H87m plus (new) £72.99
500 gig Sata 2 hard drive; used £15
4 gig hynix 1333 used £12
Generic dvd rewriter new £15.
HD 5850 Used. £50.
Arctic alpine 11 cpu cooler new £10.
Case; ancient box from work £0
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June 18, 2014 8:39:11 PM

^--- agree, everyone seems to think they can do a first time build and have the greatest thing ever made :p .
Even just tonight there was a guy who wanted the same thing as you fooball, but he was on a $300 budget...Yesterday some guy wanted to turn a $60 PC from 5 years ago into a monster gaming machine. o_O It's just not possible.

Here are some benchmarks for Watchdogs
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/watch-dogs-pc-perfo...
If you are fine with low/medium, then you might be able to make something work but there is no way to know if you'd get those FPS on newer games and you certainly wouldn't be able to Overclock.

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June 18, 2014 8:43:06 PM

Thanks!
Is it possible to get a amd equivalent processor for cheaper (or is that just for the lower end cpus)?
And should I go for a cheap psu (considering the price of the whole build)? I heard cheap ones are bad.
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June 18, 2014 8:45:35 PM

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^--- agree, everyone seems to think they can do a first time build and have the greatest thing ever made :p .
Even just tonight there was a guy who wanted the same thing as you fooball, but he was on a $300 budget...Yesterday some guy wanted to turn a $60 PC from 5 years ago into a monster gaming machine. o_O It's just not possible.

Here are some benchmarks for Watchdogs
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/watch-dogs-pc-perfo...
If you are fine with low/medium, then you might be able to make something work but there is no way to know if you'd get those FPS on newer games and you certainly wouldn't be able to Overclock.


I was relying too much on the reviews and internet :(  Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xXzUEjNL0Q

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June 18, 2014 8:53:32 PM

Actually I mean games slightly less demanding than watchdogs. At least bf4 and ac4 at high
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June 18, 2014 9:20:14 PM

You could try something like this. You'd still have to find that used ram but it's the best thing I can think of. You can overclock, play the games you want at high with 40+ fps and you have a good PSU for any single card set up you want. The G3258 is overclockable aswell, but I think you'd want a CPU cooler for that.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($76.09 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($81.50 @ Vuugo)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Canada Computers)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Core Edition Video Card ($119.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Case: BitFenix Merc Alpha (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $432.55
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-19 00:22 EDT-0400
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June 18, 2014 11:44:54 PM

That will be fine playing games at max, I'm running a $280 dollar build composed of a gtx 750 ti and an fx6300 (worse than what you propose) and I'm doing BF 4 at max, 40fps + 1080p.
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June 19, 2014 1:14:19 PM

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That will be fine playing games at max, I'm running a $280 dollar build composed of a gtx 750 ti and an fx6300 (worse than what you propose) and I'm doing BF 4 at max, 40fps + 1080p.

Thanks for all your help guys!
DeanJW, could you state your build?
Thanks!

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June 19, 2014 3:23:31 PM

I actually would like to know what the difference between the fx 6300 and i5 is. Because the fx seems to have a 3.5 ghz clock speed and can be overclocked. Is it really worth it to pay the 70% premium?
I am looking at this 7850 3gb double d card for $150 (but can reduce price a bit): http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/rch/sys/4516597596.ht.... Is it better than a r9 270 or 7870?
Thanks for the help
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June 19, 2014 5:06:05 PM

It depends on how you want to look at it :p  , also about which i5 you are talking about. I'd take an 4670k anyday, but a 4430 I would maybe pass on.

One thing people will mention is that the Intel is upgradeable. Well, in truth it's only for 1 more year. (that's intel's usual cycle; new socket ever 2 years) So I don't really consider that so much when deciding on which CPU to take.

About the 6300, I don't exactly like getting it because then your only good upgrade is the 8320. The 8320 is only like what, $20-25 more? It would make more sense to get the 8320, a cpu cooler and a nice 990 board for overclocking. ($270 for those)

Though I will say, a 8320 would last you a long time, regardless of what people say it is really a great CPU for the price even if am3 is going to be obsolete; you are on a budget after all. (everything will be obsolete eventually anyways)

If you were building a $600 8320 computer and it lasted 4-6 years, I'd say you got your money's worth and more. I still have an i5-2500k from 4 years ago running strong and I see topics posted weekly about if people should replace a 2500k and it's "no" most of the time.

As for the r9 270 vs 7870, I would never buy anything but ram/hdd/case 2nd hand. You won't get warranty on anything, won't have any idea how it was treated and won't know if there are problems with it until you actually try it out.

The r9 270X and the 7870 are the same, while the r9 270 and the 7850 are the same. The r9's will have higher clock speeds though.
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June 19, 2014 6:30:33 PM

Aww. Just spotted a gtx 580 for $110. :( 
What is the best graphics card for my budget? Does a 1gb vs 2gb same card matter much?
I'm also super newbie at the PSUs. I'm really tempted to go for a cheap one, but people are saying that most cheap ones suck. So how would I spot a good one from bad ones (I heard brand)?
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June 19, 2014 7:08:25 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-su...
This is a list of powersupplies ranked. I would recommend this one
http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550s...

If you are still sticking to a $400-450 budget, then I would get the intel build I linked above; the 7850 is onsale now and so it's your option. Because you want to it be overclockable/upgradeable, you aren't in the position to choose about what you want or not. It's not like I can go to a car dealer ship with $1000 and ask them to get me something close to a mustang :p 

You can go with an fm2+ if you want, but you'll be lucky to get bf4 on high.

Take a look at these benchmarks and you will see why everyone is saying the cheap ones suck.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/11/27/ba...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-750-ti-...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/watch-dogs-pc-perfo...

A 7770 the lowest card I recommend to attempt to game on. Something like a r9 265 or 750ti would be a nice fit to your build, but then again you are building to be upgradeable, so something somewhere has to fall short. I guess you just have to decide where :)  (that or raise your budget)
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June 19, 2014 9:27:15 PM

Ok, so I ended up with this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-8320 3.5GHz 8-Core Processor ($164.95 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($58.50 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 270X 2GB TurboDuo Video Card ($179.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Xion XON-560 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon Canada)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX)
Keyboard: Gigabyte Force K3 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($18.50 @ Vuugo)
Other: Used 4x4gb RAM (16gb) ($40.00)
Other: Used 500gb HDD ($25.00)
Other: Used DVD RW Drive ($5.00)
Other: Used 21" HDTV with HDMI input ($25.00)
Total: $611.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-20 00:26 EDT-0400

I would like to decrease that price preferably by at least $30.
Right now I'm looking at that r9 270x, and this r9 270 OC. The difference is the 270x is $209 with $30 rebate, and the 270 is "SAVE $50.00 off our regular price of $219.99 if you buy today! Ends 06/25/2014"
I'm also unsure about whether to go for a 6300 processor instead of an 8320 to save money.

Why does the part list chart here: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/user/fooball/saved/Z8Nv6h show the low prices steeply rise at May 30? Is this a glitch?
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June 19, 2014 11:22:22 PM

The powercolor are always cheaper than other brands, nothing wrong with them though.

You said you wanted to order this some time in the next 3 weeks, yes? My suggestion would be to take a few days to round up your "Used Items" . This way, you can sure up your budget number and we'll know exactly what you have left to spend for new parts. You can probably even find a used keyboard while you're at it. (even a case)
I also very much doubt you will find 4x4gb of ram for $40, but if you do, congratz. :p 

The problem right now is, you want to do overclocking while still being upgradeable; this raises your budget a lot. If you just wanted to do just overclocking, it's be the 6300. If you wanted something just upgradeable/futureproof, it'd be an i5.

With all that said, maybe this is just the simpler option for you

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($109.99 @ NCIX)
Video Card: Club 3D Radeon R7 265 2GB royalQueen Video Card ($139.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX)
Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard ($11.25 @ DirectCanada)
Other: Used 4x4gb RAM (16gb) ($40.00)
Other: Used 500gb HDD ($25.00)
Other: Used DVD RW Drive ($5.00)
Other: Used 21" HDTV with HDMI input ($25.00)
Total: $571.00
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-20 02:14 EDT-0400

I think DirectCanada does free shipping on orders over $50, so I did the CPU/Keyboard with them. The rest I did all with NCIX which should save you from our atrocious shipping costs here.

This computer will be able to overclock, you will just need to buy a good CPU cooler when you are ready to. The mother board is a cheaper one because it's a slightly older chipset, this doesn't make it bad though. You will get some acceptable overclocks out of it and it comes with the option to do crossfire if you ever wanted to.

The PSU will handle most single card upgrades (like an r9 280), this is the only kind of "upgrade" I think you will get at this budget.

Here's a review of the 265, it's a nice card that will be good for your needs right now until you upgrade in a year or 2.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r7-265-revie...
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June 20, 2014 7:43:09 AM

I just noticed something re-reading the initial post you state you are buying a hd tv that is only 1024x1280. I am not sure what you intend so if what i'm about to recommendation is rubbish for you, ignore it. I would consider keeping an fx 6300, getting the r265 and using that budget to find a better screen. Even an fx 6300 + r7 265 will be overkill for that resolution nevermind the 270 with a 8320. You list gaming as your top priority, a better screen will give you a much better experience gaming and be good for graphics design (as you proposed you want in the future). Look for about 24 inch imo as you can get those pretty cheap at 1080x1920.

If I were you I would do this but each to his own, I can only give my opinion. Apart from that it's a pretty good system you've spec'd it will handle things nicely.
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June 20, 2014 11:05:27 AM

Nice catch, I didn't even think about that, thank you :) 

Although, I think right now he might not have the cash to spend on a good 24'' monitor, or even a used one. When I checked the classifieds, I could find many 17'' for $10-20. the 23-24'' were $75-100. I agree that the CPU/GPU will be overkill for now, but like I mentioned somewhere above in this long thread "something has to give", so I guess it's the monitor that takes the hit. :p 
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June 20, 2014 11:52:13 AM

Sorry, I don't understand your statements. :o  I looked again and a normal 19" insignia hdtv has a resolution of 1366 x 768 (the 1024x1280 was just a guess). So does this mean that monitors are higher quality/definition and better than HDTVs? One reason I was going for a hdtv was because I saw some for ~$25 (I thought they were better than monitors) and wanted a hdmi port for my ps3(hdmi) and I was thinking that stuff with hdmis are more future proof.
And sorry for taking so much of your time :(  I really appreciate your help :D 
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June 20, 2014 2:44:16 PM

Look at watchdogs as an example
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/watch-dogs-pc-perfo...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/watch-dogs-pc-perfo...

In low resolution even the GTX 650 would be a good card...

The lower the resolution you game on, the less of a GPU you need to play it at good FPS.

If you aren't going to be spending $100 on a monitor, then I would not even consider any $20-30 used on as "future proofing".

Please, let me make this clear, as it's mentioned a few times in the thread.
If you want something to last you 3-5 years, you HAVE to spend money now, so you don't have to later

If you are happy gaming on 1366x768 for now, then I'd suggest you just get my intel build with the G3258 and call it a day. It's in your original price range and will do that resolution of gaming fine, it can be upgraded later and overclocked now even if you buy a stock cooler.



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June 20, 2014 4:50:05 PM

Thanks for the explaination. I get it now.
I decided to increase my budget to around $575 everything included. I'm getting 2 1600x900 widescreen monitors instead for a better gaming experience.
Heres the build:
[PCPartPicker part list](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/VnXNgs) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/VnXNgs/by_merchant/)

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**CPU** | [AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-fd6300wmhkbox) | $119.79 @ DirectCanada
**Motherboard** | [Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-ga...) | $59.99 @ NCIX
**Video Card** | [Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-video-card-gvr...) | $169.99 @ NCIX
**Case** | [Xion XON-560 MicroATX Mini Tower Case](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/xion-case-xon560bk) | $39.99 @ Amazon Canada
**Power Supply** | [XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550s...) | $54.99 @ NCIX
**Keyboard** | [Gigabyte Force K3 Wired Gaming Keyboard](http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-keyboard-gkfor...) | $18.50 @ Vuugo
**Other**| Used 4x4gb RAM (16gb)| $40.00
**Other**| Used DVD RW Drive| $5.00
**Other**| Used 500gb HDD| $20.00
**Other**| 2x Samsung S20300 Monitors| $50.00
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | $578.25

I will be planning to sell the 2 free AMD silver never settle forever games that come with the R9 270 card for around $40 (taking around $40 off the price).
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June 20, 2014 7:18:06 PM

Sounds good :) 

I usually mention this sooner, but we had a lot of other things going on in this thread :p 
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Ag...

I'm not sure what to think of your motherboard to be honest. It's at least heatsinked and has 4+1 VRM which might be good enough for the 6300 overclocked. I do know that it's an old chipset though. Have you done any research on overclocking with that board?
Is there really a reason things have to be a micro atx board? it gives you limited options.

The other thing is that when you upgrade your graphics card, you want it to be 2 tiers above your current one on this list.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
So if you get a r9 270, that means to make an efficient upgrade, you'd have to get a r9 280x/GTX770 or higher. As you saw in the reviews, the 265 can be closely compared to the 270 in some ways, so it may be better to get a better motherboard now.

It's up to you, if you've researched that motherboard enough and know it can overclock well with the 6300, then your build should be alright. I will say though, I get a quite a few wtf's for recommending that 970 mobo in that last build I linked because it's "old", but as long as you are that the 78LMT will be good enough, then stick with it.

I like people who do their own research :) 
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June 20, 2014 11:03:18 PM

Sorry, been researching all day for the last week, but I guess I'm so big of a noob that I haven't come to so many things yet :p  . I'm trying.

I was thinking of an matx to save some space.
This guy here: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1911007/gigabyte... seems to say it's good with cpu cooler (his signature states "AMD FX 6300 @ 4.8 GHz / 5 GHz Turbo | Gigabyte GA78LMTUSB3...") while this: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1938450/overcloc... contradicts it.

However, most websites point to the Asus M5A97 r2.0 as the best motherboard. So I'm using that I guess. That increases the overall cost by $50 :o  :(  .
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June 20, 2014 11:09:22 PM

So now this is the build. Would like to reduce price to $600 or less
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Asus M5A97 R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($104.99 @ NCIX)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($169.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX)
Keyboard: Gigabyte Force K3 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($18.50 @ Vuugo)
Other: Used 4x4gb RAM (16gb) ($40.00)
Other: Used DVD RW Drive ($5.00)
Other: Used 500gb HDD ($20.00)
Other: 2x Samsung S20300 Monitors ($50.00)
Total: $623.25
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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June 20, 2014 11:17:22 PM

Oh when I said about that last part about researching, I really meant it like I said. You've shown in this thread that you have been doing research a lot and so I gave some kudos :) 
Some people just come to the forum like it's a business and demand things. I've been told once "I'm the customer and I'm not happy yet" , those are the threads you just leave lol

About your build, I think we are at the lowest common denominator. If you want to dump the keyboard and pick up one used for $5 or free, that would be your best option.

It's either that or get the r9 265, which isn't bad at all. If you think "but it's only XXX more for the r9 270", it will ALWAYS be like that. I can find you an r9 280 for $180-200...so just something to think about.

That motherboard is a good choice btw, usually my 2nd pick to the UD3P one but probably just as good.

Edit: duh, i forgot to mention that 8gb is sufficient for all your needs. 16gb is used for video editing stuff. If you aren't going to be doing that for a few years, then $20 for 8gb if you can find it would be good. Unless you are trying to do it professionally I wouldn't worry about having just 8gb for video editing.

Know that you can't just put random RAM together. It has to be the exact same model/series frequency and everything or things won't run correctly.
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June 21, 2014 10:58:08 AM

Umm thanks. :)  IMO, you are kind of volunteering, so I (asker/customer) should reduce the amount of workload as much as possible.

For the keyboard, I feel I need something on the same level as the computer (not just plain old). It just feels better like that.
I was thinking about the graphics card after what you said. Should I wait until the beginning of next month to buy any parts?
And your r9 280 for $180 was tempting. I'm buying the ram from a thrift store, so I'm pretty sure they have 4x 4gb same ram. Also, 16gb makes me feel proud xD. I'll check the thrift store (I'll also be getting the used hdd and dvd rw drive) today.

Edit: In my previous post, I forgot that I had that graphics card free amd silver 2 games that I could sell for $40.
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June 21, 2014 12:49:39 PM

fooball said:
Umm thanks. :)  IMO, you are kind of volunteering, so I (asker/customer) should reduce the amount of workload as much as possible.

For the keyboard, I feel I need something on the same level as the computer (not just plain old). It just feels better like that.
I was thinking about the graphics card after what you said. Should I wait until the beginning of next month to buy any parts?
And your r9 280 for $180 was tempting. I'm buying the ram from a thrift store, so I'm pretty sure they have 4x 4gb same ram. Also, 16gb makes me feel proud xD. I'll check the thrift store (I'll also be getting the used hdd and dvd rw drive) today.

Edit: In my previous post, I forgot that I had that graphics card free amd silver 2 games that I could sell for $40.


I don't know what thrift stores are like where you live, but the ones here usually sell junk. If you can get 16GB ram and an hdd/dvd there for cheap, then that that's great, however :

- Make sure all the parts are working before you buy them
- Check that the ram is DDR3
- Check that the HDD and Optical drive are both SATA.
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June 21, 2014 12:59:32 PM

RazerZ said:
fooball said:
Umm thanks. :)  IMO, you are kind of volunteering, so I (asker/customer) should reduce the amount of workload as much as possible.

For the keyboard, I feel I need something on the same level as the computer (not just plain old). It just feels better like that.
I was thinking about the graphics card after what you said. Should I wait until the beginning of next month to buy any parts?
And your r9 280 for $180 was tempting. I'm buying the ram from a thrift store, so I'm pretty sure they have 4x 4gb same ram. Also, 16gb makes me feel proud xD. I'll check the thrift store (I'll also be getting the used hdd and dvd rw drive) today.

Edit: In my previous post, I forgot that I had that graphics card free amd silver 2 games that I could sell for $40.


I don't know what thrift stores are like where you live, but the ones here usually sell junk. If you can get 16GB ram and an hdd/dvd there for cheap, then that that's great, however :

- Make sure all the parts are working before you buy them
- Check that the ram is DDR3
- Check that the HDD and Optical drive are both SATA.

Thanks for the response.
Well the good thing is that they are a computer thrift store (they should have quite a lot of options) and they accept returns for 2 weeks.
I'm pretty sure it's ok.
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June 21, 2014 1:02:21 PM

fooball said:
RazerZ said:
fooball said:
Umm thanks. :)  IMO, you are kind of volunteering, so I (asker/customer) should reduce the amount of workload as much as possible.

For the keyboard, I feel I need something on the same level as the computer (not just plain old). It just feels better like that.
I was thinking about the graphics card after what you said. Should I wait until the beginning of next month to buy any parts?
And your r9 280 for $180 was tempting. I'm buying the ram from a thrift store, so I'm pretty sure they have 4x 4gb same ram. Also, 16gb makes me feel proud xD. I'll check the thrift store (I'll also be getting the used hdd and dvd rw drive) today.

Edit: In my previous post, I forgot that I had that graphics card free amd silver 2 games that I could sell for $40.


I don't know what thrift stores are like where you live, but the ones here usually sell junk. If you can get 16GB ram and an hdd/dvd there for cheap, then that that's great, however :

- Make sure all the parts are working before you buy them
- Check that the ram is DDR3
- Check that the HDD and Optical drive are both SATA.

Thanks for the response.
Well the good thing is that they are a computer thrift store (they should have quite a lot of options) and they accept returns for 2 weeks.
I'm pretty sure it's ok.


Oh alright then. I thought you were talking about a stores like goodwill.

Also to save money if you have a 8GB or higher USB you could load windows onto that and install it via usb. It would at least save the cost of the optical drive.
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June 21, 2014 1:53:32 PM

Yeah, a USB drive is way more useful than a optical drive.

That is one thing I would not buy used/cheap either. I took a chance on some, and 3 out of 4 so far are either mislabeled or die after a month.
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June 21, 2014 3:31:09 PM

What if the drive is around $5? For the usb drives, is it ok to buy them for $2 (no brand) off ebay?
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June 21, 2014 3:38:19 PM

no lol, don't buy any usb drives off ebay. I wouldn't at least.

Go to FutureShop/Walmart and buy a $7-8 one from there.

Honestly, the ones I got from ebay were complete jokes. $8 for 32gb, I knew something would be wrong with them, just not this badly. When you get them and you see corrupt files after putting media on or your storage limit is only really 2gb....

Since you are buying from Direct canada anyways, add this one on.
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=3069192150Q&v...

Using them right now and they booted my Linux OS fine.

If you need a 16gb, try the sandisk cruzer. They are usually around for $8-10.
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June 21, 2014 4:52:56 PM

jaraldo said:
no lol, don't buy any usb drives off ebay. I wouldn't at least.

Go to FutureShop/Walmart and buy a $7-8 one from there.

Honestly, the ones I got from ebay were complete jokes. $8 for 32gb, I knew something would be wrong with them, just not this badly. When you get them and you see corrupt files after putting media on or your storage limit is only really 2gb....

Since you are buying from Direct canada anyways, add this one on.
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=3069192150Q&v...

Using them right now and they booted my Linux OS fine.

If you need a 16gb, try the sandisk cruzer. They are usually around for $8-10.


Is a dvd-r or a 4gb usb enough?
Edit: I didnt mean dvd r
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June 21, 2014 6:56:54 PM

fooball said:
jaraldo said:
no lol, don't buy any usb drives off ebay. I wouldn't at least.

Go to FutureShop/Walmart and buy a $7-8 one from there.

Honestly, the ones I got from ebay were complete jokes. $8 for 32gb, I knew something would be wrong with them, just not this badly. When you get them and you see corrupt files after putting media on or your storage limit is only really 2gb....

Since you are buying from Direct canada anyways, add this one on.
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=3069192150Q&v...

Using them right now and they booted my Linux OS fine.

If you need a 16gb, try the sandisk cruzer. They are usually around for $8-10.


Is a dvd-r or a 4gb usb enough?
Edit: I didnt mean dvd r


It should be, I remember my windows 7 iso was 2.96gb.

In the US 8gb isn't that much more so that's why I recommended it.
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June 21, 2014 8:51:56 PM

Actually, I just remembered that I ordered a cheap hard drive enclosure from ebay for a spare 160gb laptop hard drive. Hopefully it can fit a windows 8 64 bit iso, or maybe a puppy linux iso :p  . Thats if the enclosure even arrives.
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June 21, 2014 10:19:25 PM

Well, I've had everything from ebay arrive, just the cheap stuff usually not being that good. :p 

You can fit anything on a 160gb and I haven't played with puppy linux yet, but I'm pretty sure it's designed to boot from your actual RAM and not your HDD, though you still can. I think the version I download was 64-100mb?

Just wondering, why do you need the enclosure? Is it an IDE HDD? I don't think IDE laptop hard drives were 120gb+. If it's not IDE, you could plug it right into your motherboard.
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June 22, 2014 12:26:36 PM

jaraldo said:
Well, I've had everything from ebay arrive, just the cheap stuff usually not being that good. :p 

You can fit anything on a 160gb and I haven't played with puppy linux yet, but I'm pretty sure it's designed to boot from your actual RAM and not your HDD, though you still can. I think the version I download was 64-100mb?

Just wondering, why do you need the enclosure? Is it an IDE HDD? I don't think IDE laptop hard drives were 120gb+. If it's not IDE, you could plug it right into your motherboard.


Well, I ordered the enclosure a while back (almost a month), before I really set my mind on building a gaming pc. The hdd is a SATA, so I guess that I can use it in the desktop as you said. However, I would have to open my laptop (a newer dell that doesn't seem to be that easy to get to the hdd) to install a os. Since I already ordered it (and it was only $4), I my as well use it. But the enclosure hasn't arrived yet, so I will be asking for a refund if the enclosure doesn't arrive in "<35 working days", which is getting very close.
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June 22, 2014 12:55:39 PM

BTW, will this be a fully working pc? Meaning is it complete? (like work strait out of the box(es) without buying anything else)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($98.50 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($169.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX)
Wireless Network Adapter: Linksys AE1200-NP 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($4.88 @ Canada Computers)
Keyboard: Gigabyte Force K3 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($18.50 @ Vuugo)
Other: Used 4x4gb RAM (16gb) ($40.00)
Other: Used DVD RW Drive ($5.00)
Other: Used 500gb HDD ($20.00)
Other: 2x Samsung S20300 Monitors ($50.00)
Total: $621.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Thanks
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June 22, 2014 1:01:21 PM

fooball said:
BTW, will this be a fully working pc? Meaning is it complete? (like work strait out of the box(es) without buying anything else)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($98.50 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($169.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX)
Wireless Network Adapter: Linksys AE1200-NP 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($4.88 @ Canada Computers)
Keyboard: Gigabyte Force K3 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($18.50 @ Vuugo)
Other: Used 4x4gb RAM (16gb) ($40.00)
Other: Used DVD RW Drive ($5.00)
Other: Used 500gb HDD ($20.00)
Other: 2x Samsung S20300 Monitors ($50.00)
Total: $621.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Thanks


You are missing an OS, but asides from that it will work. I suggest to swap out the GPU for this one:

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-fx787acd...

The 270x is the rebadged version of the card above.
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June 22, 2014 2:06:55 PM

RazerZ said:
fooball said:
BTW, will this be a fully working pc? Meaning is it complete? (like work strait out of the box(es) without buying anything else)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($98.50 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($169.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX)
Wireless Network Adapter: Linksys AE1200-NP 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($4.88 @ Canada Computers)
Keyboard: Gigabyte Force K3 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($18.50 @ Vuugo)
Other: Used 4x4gb RAM (16gb) ($40.00)
Other: Used DVD RW Drive ($5.00)
Other: Used 500gb HDD ($20.00)
Other: 2x Samsung S20300 Monitors ($50.00)
Total: $621.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Thanks


You are missing an OS, but asides from that it will work. I suggest to swap out the GPU for this one:

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-fx787acd...

The 270x is the rebadged version of the card above.

Yeah, I was looking at that. I was just unsure if it as ever going to be restocked. So will it be restocked (never used newegg or any other online retailer before)?
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June 22, 2014 2:22:47 PM

fooball said:
RazerZ said:
fooball said:
BTW, will this be a fully working pc? Meaning is it complete? (like work strait out of the box(es) without buying anything else)
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($119.79 @ DirectCanada)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3P ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($98.50 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 270 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($169.99 @ NCIX)
Case: Enermax ECA3253-BW ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ NCIX)
Wireless Network Adapter: Linksys AE1200-NP 802.11b/g/n USB 2.0 Wi-Fi Adapter ($4.88 @ Canada Computers)
Keyboard: Gigabyte Force K3 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($18.50 @ Vuugo)
Other: Used 4x4gb RAM (16gb) ($40.00)
Other: Used DVD RW Drive ($5.00)
Other: Used 500gb HDD ($20.00)
Other: 2x Samsung S20300 Monitors ($50.00)
Total: $621.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Thanks


You are missing an OS, but asides from that it will work. I suggest to swap out the GPU for this one:

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-fx787acd...

The 270x is the rebadged version of the card above.

Yeah, I was looking at that. I was just unsure if it as ever going to be restocked. So will it be restocked (never used newegg or any other online retailer before)?


Oh my bad, didn't see that. If it says out of stock it will restock later on, but in this case it says unavailable. Looks like the 270 stays.
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