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how true is having a i7 4790k vs i5 4690k that the i7 dont have much benifit more then i5 in gaming

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June 19, 2014 1:01:41 AM

ok I asked a question a good while back about this and was told that a core i7 has little to no bennifit over a core i5 in gaming. and that it was only marginably better in video recoding/encoding.

how true is this, is because (and I wish I bookmarked where I read this) but I seen charts and such that if my memory serves right that clearly the core i7 has a lot better performance then a core i5 even in gamming.

I am aware that the i7 is factory clocked higher but this was with both cpu';s running at the same speed. so has something changed? is the i7 going to be a good bit faster then a core i5 in gaming when both are overclocked too the same speed?

also although the new core i5 4690k has a slower stock speed it easily overclocks to 4.4ghz is that true?

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June 19, 2014 1:06:40 AM

Very little benefit in MOST games. About 2-3 fps increase. A few select games can make use of the i7's Hyper-Threading technology and those few games will see a bigger improvement.

The i7 is always better and faster than the i5 regardless of category -- gaming, video editing, etc.. But it's not better by enough to warrant a $100 premium cost. And not many games support Hyper-Threading to make it a worthwhile purchase. It's a bang for buck type of deal.

And yes, 4.4Ghz overclock is easy to hit.
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June 19, 2014 1:11:46 AM

As it stands now, an i5 is perfectly sufficient for gaming, even with so-called multi-threaded games such as Watch Dogs. Good gaming performance is just as much down to good development as it is to good hardware. The caveat is that in the next few years, games may start to utilise multiple threads properly. The trouble is, nobody knows.

Benchmark results will always favour the i7 because the software can make use of the extra threads.

Overclocking is never an exact science. Identical processors on the same motherboard, with the same cooler in the same conditions can yield different results. Some processors are just more flexible in their overclocking than others.
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June 19, 2014 1:12:44 AM

It is however beneficial if you have multiple programs running at the same time. I am, for example, usually running scientific calculations in one thread at the same time while I game, and have a browser and some background things running. In my case the difference is huge. If you only game on the machine, there is little difference except the clock difference. In CPU bound games, that might make a small difference.
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June 19, 2014 1:36:49 AM

The bottom line is you pick your hardware depending on your use - if you're gonna be doing 3D rendering for example, an i7 will be hugely better than an i5 - because that kind of software can fully make use of the additional power of the i7
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June 19, 2014 1:39:07 AM

ok, what about games like player vs player mode in MMO's or other games that are so called CPU bound
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June 19, 2014 1:41:28 AM

There is not a single game on the market that is limited to a large enough degree by an i5 4690k to warrant buying an i7 , as long as you have a good GPU and ply on high, such that most of the processing is done in the gpu. Physx might be a problem if you run it as software, so if you want physx, get a nvidia GPU.

These benchmarks: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_4670K_... show that even in the highly cpu dependent BF3, this only amounts to about 5 fps. My guess is, the difference is smaller if you run it on a modern gpu.

Update: Found another one: http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?it... Here you can see the difference is minimal with a good GPU on high.
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June 19, 2014 2:26:03 AM

WINTERLORD said:
ok, what about games like player vs player mode in MMO's or other games that are so called CPU bound


In general, games that aren't graphically demanding tend to require more out of the processor, but it's relative and will still vary from game to game.

For example, if a game uses three cores then a dual-core Pentium will struggle. If you play the same game on an i5, the performance will be noticeably better. If you then step up to an i7, you won't see any improvement as the game only makes use of three cores.

MMOs will play just fine on an i5.
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June 19, 2014 2:28:10 AM

I7 is nor worth the money, the fps gains dont match the cost, if there even is an fps gain.
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June 22, 2014 9:30:13 PM

paulbatzing said:
There is not a single game on the market that is limited to a large enough degree by an i5 4690k to warrant buying an i7 , as long as you have a good GPU and ply on high, such that most of the processing is done in the gpu. Physx might be a problem if you run it as software, so if you want physx, get a nvidia GPU.

These benchmarks: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_4670K_... show that even in the highly cpu dependent BF3, this only amounts to about 5 fps. My guess is, the difference is smaller if you run it on a modern gpu.

Update: Found another one: http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?it... Here you can see the difference is minimal with a good GPU on high.


Reply specifically to the Physx part - if you are wanting to use a AMD graphics card i would recommend the i7 over the i7 for the Physics score as shown here http://

Otherwise if you are getting nVidia which has Physx built in go for the i5.
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July 7, 2014 12:42:34 AM

it is higher clocked, that is the sole reason i'm getting the i7, if it wasn't clocked so high i'd be just like you taking in the consideration an probably getting the i5 because all i really need it for is simulating flight simulator and sims3/4 for my niece and general everyday use.
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July 7, 2014 1:30:44 AM

with the benchmarks i've seen, and videos on digitalfoundary, and tek syndicate and other reliable youtubers......... lesser than 2%, even lesser than 1% i most cases........
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July 10, 2014 9:10:07 AM

thanks guys for all the responses, I think i am gonna get the i5 then and overclock the hell out of it, thanks again for the quick responses! :) 
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July 19, 2014 12:45:36 AM

paulbatzing said:
There is not a single game on the market that is limited to a large enough degree by an i5 4690k to warrant buying an i7 , as long as you have a good GPU and ply on high, such that most of the processing is done in the gpu. Physx might be a problem if you run it as software, so if you want physx, get a nvidia GPU.

These benchmarks: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_4670K_... show that even in the highly cpu dependent BF3, this only amounts to about 5 fps. My guess is, the difference is smaller if you run it on a modern gpu.

Update: Found another one: http://www.ocaholic.ch/modules/smartsection/item.php?it... Here you can see the difference is minimal with a good GPU on high.



I found these links a good read. I am at the point now of deciding i5-i7. The links provide the clear cut answer.
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August 6, 2014 3:16:42 AM

maybe now it isnt, but on the next months and years you will get the difference between a i5 medium/high specs for a high/ultra specs
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August 6, 2014 6:56:47 AM

We'll see.
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August 6, 2014 10:13:29 PM

Really good replies here, glad I went for the i5 4690k over an i7 , would of been a great waste of cash , which I have now put into the gfx and bumped up to a gtx 770 4gb through the extra budget :)  thanks guys you've confirmed my theories.

One question though, I haven't done a build in quite a long time, and I'm a bit confused at the memory speeds stated on this cpu, it says 1333/ 1600 ? why is this, the M Board I am buying is a z97 and can take up to 3200, can I go higher or am I limited to 1600 b'cause of the cpu?
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August 6, 2014 11:18:36 PM

Look at your motherboard on the manufacturers website. Check the specifications tab. Memory compatibility will be listed. Just done the same myself.
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August 7, 2014 12:21:51 PM

what about if I plan on using 2 maybe even 3 radeon 280x graphics cards would the i7 be worth the extra in a multi gpu setup I recently heard that multi gpu's can use the extra cores/hyperthread
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August 8, 2014 12:19:22 AM

i7 would only see a performence gain with 3 280x, its always better to get a single stronger card anyways, a well OC i5 can run a 780 ti with no issues.
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August 8, 2014 12:58:43 AM

Go to nvidia control panel and select you PhysX device.
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August 8, 2014 4:27:44 PM

hmm one of my favorite games guild wars 2 I believe is cpu bound exspecialy when playing world vs world I wonder thouh if cpu bound games if it will matter a lot there or not?i5 vs i7
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August 13, 2014 5:22:10 PM

i ran guild wars 2 on a 2600k at 4.6ghz and a 3570k at 4.5ghz no difference i never saw guildwars 2 using more than 4 threads and my fps was still gpu limited even with a amd r290
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August 22, 2014 4:49:37 AM

When it comes to video editing my i7 4790k takes about fifty percent less time than my previous i5-760. A HD video that took four hours to convert is now reduced to just two hours. But waiting two hours for the damn conversion to finish is ridiculous. How i wish i had bought an octacore! Games don’t stress the system as much as video and photo editing. By photo editing i mean the 3D rendering in Photoshop. A good video card and a simple quad core can run any game without issues.
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August 24, 2014 11:49:22 PM

im wondering now if haswell e would be a better performer for the one that has more lanes 40 pcie lanes would that be a waste of power in gaming
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August 25, 2014 3:48:57 AM

WINTERLORD said:
im wondering now if haswell e would be a better performer for the one that has more lanes 40 pcie lanes would that be a waste of power in gaming


Haswell E? you mean the upcoming intel 8 cores,DDR 4 and stuff like that!. The faster the better but for gaming you wont need any of those. All you need is a solid graphic card and a decent quadcore. If you not on a tight budget, wait for the E.

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August 26, 2014 6:43:15 PM

For gaming, no; the differences will not be worth the extra cost. I had an i5 and found that my other pc uses, like streaming movies, improved with an i7, though. If you only use your pc strictly for gaming then the i5 will serve you well.
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August 27, 2014 7:33:10 PM

cachcoco said:
For gaming, no; the differences will not be worth the extra cost. I had an i5 and found that my other pc uses, like streaming movies, improved with an i7, though. If you only use your pc strictly for gaming then the i5 will serve you well.


Reterospective point....

I have the i7 4770 and GTX 780 (with 16Gb RAM) and WatchDogs runs but still judders with course framerate (although looks BEAUTIFUL in Ultra); so I would say if you can afford it, pay more for the i7, as the i5 will perhaps stutter more, to the extent that it is annoying.

Yeah; its cheaper to go i5 and 2x GTX 770 4Gb models running SLi, but ........ ;) 

I hope to get a second 780 soon (as I only run 1080p for now [and when prices drop a little more]); unless a fab new card arrives which is so affordable I can use my 780 as a dedicated PhysX card. :D 

P.S.
The i7 may be worth more on the second-hand market in the years to come; compared to the i5; so you will not lose all that extra money.

Nuff said?

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August 28, 2014 9:31:00 PM

well its not the proccessor im wondering about its the x99 chipset and the 40pcie lanes that i w3onder if it will make it a big difference for triple crossfire setup. 3cards and 40pcie lanes on the 600dollar chip
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September 2, 2014 3:55:54 AM

I used to used a 2500k then went to a 2600 then a 3770k and now use a 4960x I have to say when it comes down to it in games I haven't really had a change in frame rate since I left my amd phenom 2 x4 965 for my 2500k. The leap between my 2500k or 2600 to my 4960x would be noticeable and the same for my leap from 2500k to 3770k would only just be noticeable. I only keep upgrading my cpus because I have to do video editing.
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