Wireless Network Quality Help

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Hello Everyone,
I am having an issue with my home network that started over the past couple of months which may very well be an issue on the router settings that I dont understand or did not know about. Anyway, lets see if we can figure something out. The issue is that the wireless devices on the network are getting dropped more and more specially downstairs. It's as if there is to much load on the router and it kicks everything off and reconnects them.

Cable Modem - MOTOROLA SB6141 SURFboard DOCSIS 3.0 Cable Modem 10/100/1000Base-T Ethernet (RJ-45)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825390001

Router - ASUS RT-N16 Wireless Router 802.11b/g/n up to 300Mbps
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320038

Majority Wireless Adapters being used - BUFFALO AirStation HighPower N150 Wireless USB Adapter - WLI-UC-GNHP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162032


First, let me say that my router has been using the easytomato firmware over at easytomato.org
-I have a total of 23 devices hooked wirelessly/wired to the router, including the printer.
-The devices hard wired to my router are working just fine (it's the wireless part having issues)
-All devices are given a static IP address and only allowed to get on the network through mac address filtering.
-I scanned for wireless channels around me and tried using a channel not used or has the least amount of people using it with no difference so I put the channel back to auto.
-I more recently went to mac address filtering and static IP address to see if that would help but it didn't. I had it set to DHCP before.
-I tried rebooting the router as well and last month I believe is when i tried resetting it.
-The router is on the latest version according to easytomato.org

-Something that i know isn't helping a whole lot is that with my house layout my router has to sit in the far outside corner wall and not centered. However the room its in is immediately when you walk up the stairs its an open room that is the office.


Here are some screenshots of the wireless settings on the router. (I have to admit, I don't know what several of these settings really do so I don't mess with them.)
Quality: (green is in the same room, orange are the 3 rooms around the main room, and red is right underneath this room in the living-room. Devices such as blue-ray player, TV, computer.


Settings:









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Now, what I thought about doing was picking up a ZyXEL 600 Mbps Mini Powerline AV2 Gigabit Adapter And putting one up here by the router and the other downstairs and either hooking it up to another wireless router or just a switch for the entertainment center, but if i can fix the quality issue i would rather save the money.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833181295

Like i said the signal strength downstairs alone seems to be fine, the quality sucks unless the router is giving false information.

Anyway, I hope this info is enough to get us started, thank yo so much.
 

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Here is a snapshot of a lan speed test from my desktop to an acer laptop sitting next to me all within 10 feet of the router. My pc is wired, laptop is wireless connected at 300 Mbps.

 
Before replacing the router (which still may help a lot), I also see you are using mostly USB adapters. These tend to have notoriously bad antennas. You might replace ONE of them on one problematic system with a decent (i.e. $30-$35, not $10-$15) PCIe X1 adapter, and see if it helps a lot.

Edit: at work, most media-sharing sites are blocked, so I won't be able to see your screen shot until I get home. Perhaps another person will be able to comment on it before then.
 

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Thanks for the info Onus, I think the wireless network card would probably make some difference but i'm having the same issues with 3 pc's (2 upstairs) and 1 downstairs, along with the tv, blueray player and I can't get cards for those although i wish i could :D In the end though wether i go with a new router (I was looking at this one - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320115&cm_re=wireless_router-_-33-320-115-_-Product) I may go ahead and pick up dedicated wifi cards for the actual machines, I will try one first though when I do that).
 
That is interesting that you can see quality on your device that is not on all most show signal strength which is something very different. You can have very strong signal but still get poor service

The list of channels from the screen cap you have is very telling. It shows 16AP on channel 1 and 8AP on channel 6. This means you have a huge number of other people using wireless fairly close to you. Interference is likely the cause of your quality problems. The general fix is to select another channel but I suspect even channel 11 which is not shown also has lots of AP on it. With everyone setting their routers to auto they hop around stomping on each other all looking for the least crowded channel. Unfortunately there is no fix for this.....pay all your neighbors to move away...

When it is as crowded as you have you likely will get some benifit buying dual band equipment and trying the 5g band. The 5g band does not penetrate as far which means less neighbors signal gets into your house...it also means less of your signal will go though your floors and walls also. Still a weaker but less error signal will give you much better throughput than a strong signal that is getting lots of errors because of interference.
 
technically no, you can go to 1000mw but transmit power also must include the antenna gain. This is almost a magic art for these guys who design microwave transmitters/amplifiers. The efficiency and ability to only increase the wanted signal but not the noise decreases the more you increase the power. Many time turning up the power will make your signal stronger but you get less actual throughput because of errors.

The question is always do you get the 1000mw with a 250mw amplifier and a 6db gain antenna or do I use a 500mw amplifier and a 3db gain antenna.

Pretty much you can assume products from major manufactures all transmit at maximum legal power. In fact when you look them up in the FCC database even very inexpensive ones transmit at maximum power. Only ones that don't are battery powered hotspots.

The reason the power is adjustable is so you can REDUCE the power. You sometime need this when you have lots of radio equipment that you control and you want to avoid interfering with yourself.

Your problem is not the transmit power....well unless you can turn your neighbors power down.

The router you posted is 802.11ac. 802.11ac alone will not solve your issue. It will though allow you to use the 5g bands which your current router does not. You would need nic cards that at least support 5g band and 802.11ac if want to use it.

802.11ac causes a new interfering neighbor issue. There are about 9 independent 20mhz channels (no including the radar ones) in the 5g band (unlike the 3 in 2.4g). This means you should be able the have 9 people each have their own channel and if 2 happen to use the same one you would hope they are far enough away that the signal does not interfere a lot. Problem is like 802.11n that can use 40mhz channels (this is 150m means) 802.11ac uses 80mhz of bandwidth. ie 4 channels. This means only 2 people can share without interfering on the 5g. The new version of 802.11ac coming in the fall uses 160mhz...ie 8 channels. So one user can use all the bandwidth and anyone close to them will be interfered with.

Wireless "used" to be so nice before everyone else jumped in and started to use it :)

If you are going 802.11ac I would go with the newer generation of 802.11ac like the ac68u or maybe the netgear nighthawk or even the tplink archer c7. These all are using the finalized standard from last november. Router produced before are considered "draft" 802.11ac routers and do not 100% support all the features. Of course there is another generation coming this fall that has the 160mhz support.

If you like asus I would buy the n66u and wait on the 802.11ac unless a lot of your equipment already has 802.11ac nics in them. 802.11ac is mostly used for more speed within the house. It does not by itself increase the range or signal quality it just mostly changes the way the data is encoded into the signal and of course how many radio channels it uses.

 

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None of my wireless adapters have 802.11ac just the build in wireless adapters on the gaming systems and tv, the computers have the usb dongle attached. So for now you suggest the n66u? I noticed the only difference really between mine and the others are wireless data rates and frequency band. I dont have to stay with asus, I just always had good luck with asus, i dont mind switching to another brand if you guys recommend it because you guys actually know what you are talking about.

I just want to fix my network issue, it does seem the days it is working okay which is rare the speed could be better, but i guess 300Mbps isn't that great transferring over wireless. So all in all if i want i can buy the n66u and see if that helps meanwhile wait for the new 160mhz router and save up for 'ac' nic's to put into the computers here. I have a total of 4 computers on the wireless, everything else is either a gaming console, tablet or cellphone on wireless.


Here is what inSSIDer shows as well. (saw this as one of your suggested tools thought i would check it out)
 
Try to force your router to use only 20mhz bands and force it to channel 1. The long blue line means you are running 40mhz so you double your chance of interference since both the users using channel 6 and the users using channel 11 are conflicting with you.

Changing to 20mhz means you will likely only get a max speed of 150m rather than 300m but 150m that works well is much better than 300m that work poorly.
 

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ugg i switched to tomatousb or enhancedtomato i have seen it called both but it won't let me specify what channel to use so seems to me this firmware is broken. I can't change my firmware right now due to me working, either this evening or monday is when i will be able to get it it since i'm going to be gone this weekend. So let me redo the firmware from this back to easytomato or something else i guess and try that.
 

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I went ahead and upgraded back to easytomato since it didnt take long now that i have gone back and forth. Here are the results. not bad, i'm going to see how the network is now this afternoon.


 

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Hello again everyone, well I'm having more issues and I'm thinking it may have to do with all the wireless devices attached to my router but I'm having to restart my router almost once a day, I'm not only having issues on the wireless side anymore, its the wired side as well, even with newly formatted computers.

I was wondering, have the new generation routers come out that were discussed a little in my thread? I'm looking to do some homework on suggested routers that can handle a lot of wireless connections. And since I may have to get a new one, or just get a new one for testing purposes to see if it will make a difference, I figured why not a new gen version.

Thanks Guys