Questions on this build

DroneDroneDrone · Jun 19, 2014

Hi, I have a build that I have some questions on. http://pcpartpicker.com/user/frequ/saved/WLm323
Ok first I'm wondering whether I should go with fx4300, which is cheaper, or the fx6300. I chose the 4 core in this build as most of the games I play only uses 2 cores. But if the 6 core is so much better then I guess I could get it.
I am also looking to overclock. Is this after market cooler good enough to push it to 4.5 ghz ( I've never oced btw ). Would also like to oc the GPU. Would I need another fan/s for that?
As of know we ( me and my dad, mostly dad) have an $800 budget ( Dad doesn't want to spend anymore ). So I was wondering if this current build ( don't know how to phrase ) has good upgradability ( ex. Don't have to change mobo, case , will probably have to change CPU) . I plan to switch to a better GPU (280x maybe) and crossfire that, once I have the sufficient funds.
This pc will be used for office/school work, gaming, streaming and uploading vids. (Games I play the most are sc2, lol, and bf3) Thanks for the help

iron8orn · Jun 19, 2014

The 280x is a great card.

You should def go with the 6300, no ifs ands or buts.

What motherboard do you have?

Onus · Jun 19, 2014

Get the FX-6300. You can save money on the cooler by getting the Hyper212 Plus (the previous version, little different) for $20 after MIR, or get the Masscool 120mm tower for $22 (no rebate needed). As you can see, the frequently parroted Hyper212 EVO is a bang/buck Loser.
For future reference, do be aware that a 970 board is not good for Crossfire; you'll need a more expensive 990X or 990FX. I would not plan on running multiple cards; I've not a bigtime twitch gamer, but I've never needed to do it myself.

RazerZ · Jun 19, 2014

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($137.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB Video Card ($105.00 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($45.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Other: media card reader ($14.99)
Total: $689.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-19 17:20 EDT-0400

It has a better upgrade path rather than going with AMD and it's around the same price.

Onus · Jun 19, 2014

RazerZ has presented a very nice Intel alternative.

iron8orn · Jun 19, 2014

Onus :

indeed, and has upgrade ability but you should get at least a r9 270x.

i asked what motherboard because if you have a 970 its hardly worth to upgrade on and most cannot handle overclocking well.

Onus · Jun 19, 2014

The R9 270X is a rebadged HD7870, which is what RazerZ's build has. I have a HD7870, and it runs all my games just fine.

RazerZ · Jun 19, 2014

iron8orn :

I considered it, but that price after rebate is hard to beat. Also the difference really isn't much, maybe a few fps ( might even be the same or better in some games) and he plans to upgrade to a 280x or something similar later on.

iron8orn · Jun 19, 2014

Onus :

could just put the i3 on a cheaper lga 1150 and get the r9 280x or even a nvidia 770 for about the same price that will perform beyond the 280x

DroneDroneDrone · Jun 19, 2014

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/g9kmFT
Changed the mobo plus CPU is this better? I'll think about and vs intel later staying with amd for now bc cheaper plus oc. ( prolly gonna sli now because this mobo can and I like nvdia better but I'll get the 7870 for now)

RazerZ · Jun 19, 2014

iron8orn :

He's planning on overclocking and using crossfire later on, so something cheaper probably wouldn't be an option. Also the money saved from getting the cheapest motherboard possible still wouldn't be enough to upgrade the graphics card to a 280x or GTX 770.

Onus · Jun 19, 2014

If you plan to run two cards, you'll need a more powerful PSU.
That's a decent motherboard choice.
As mentioned, the cooler you've selected is a bang/buck Loser, even against the same company's own offerings; that's only going to amount to $8-$10 though, and none of them are bad.

DroneDroneDrone · Jun 19, 2014

Ehh on my phone right now so I don't know how to edit posts but should I stick (in the future) 280x crossfire. When I was first building this I was planning on SLI but mobo was not capable. This new one is and was planning to gtx 760 sli in the future.

DroneDroneDrone · Jun 19, 2014

Oh yeah I forgot to change the cooler. Do you have a recommendation. I'd prefer for the final price be below $30 for a cooler so if there's a 40 with 10 rebate I can get that too just trying to maintain under 800

Onus · Jun 19, 2014

Get one GTX760 now then. You'll need a 650W PSU of similar quality if you want to run a pair of them, but you may not need to any time soon.

For the cheaper cooler, the Hyper212 Plus is $20 after MIR, or Masscool has a 120mm tower that is $22: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150122

DroneDroneDrone · Jun 19, 2014

Yeah but I think getting a 760 now would put over budget.

RazerZ · Jun 19, 2014

edit false description

iron8orn · Jun 19, 2014

RazerZ :

your probably right about the pricing.. just from the knowledge i have gained from toms since i had built my computer it is really best to order the best video card you can get first if you are on a budget even if it sits in it's box for a month.

DroneDroneDrone · Jun 19, 2014

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hN8CFT
Hmm is this good? It has the plus cooler you mentioned. Also a gtx 760 it's a bit over budget but I'll try to convince him to spend a bit more. Only thing missing now is a PSU. You have a recommendation?
Edit: Also is ASUS a good manufacturer. I was originally planning to get Evga

Onus · Jun 19, 2014

Careful, it might have been run half to death as a mining card.
Alternately, note the customer Q&A; could be a scam.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=BVU3500H&N=-1&isNodeId=1

RazerZ · Jun 19, 2014

Onus :

Yea sadly I found that out right after I posted it. Also checked the items description, 11oz seems a little light for a 280x.

DroneDroneDrone · Jun 19, 2014

Careful, it might have been run half to death as a mining card.
Alternately, note the customer Q&A; could be a scam.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
Don't know how to quote on phone but what do you mean by this?

RazerZ · Jun 19, 2014

DroneDroneDrone :

I posted a card earlier that was at a price too good to be true and it was. He's not talking about your 760.

iron8orn · Jun 19, 2014

http://sites.amd.com/us/documents/amd_fx_performance_tuning_guide.pdf

this guide is my gift to you drone lol i wish i had the privilege of reading it before i built my pc.

a 8xxx would give the best overclocking result and a fsb style overclock will give you lower voltages.
The best overclock will always be done in the bios.

DroneDroneDrone · Jun 19, 2014

Ok btw was looking at EVGA 760. Difference between superclocked acx and dual superclocked acx?

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