Advice on Games Development.
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oOMrElusiveOo
June 20, 2014 6:55:35 AM
Ok, so my friend told me to post here to get some advice on if the PC i am building can do what i need it to do. So, i want to Develop games. I will post specs below and let me know if you think these specs could allow me to develop a game from scratch. Obviously its not gonna be like Destiny or ARMA or any great games out there but say will be something like, ah for one example I'm a Alien/Xenomorph Addict and i want to create a mod for ARMA 3 which will be similar to DayZ but with Xenomorph's. Also i want to stream games to Twitch and YouTube Can i do that with these specs:
Cooler Master HAF-X v2 nVidia Edition
ASUS Rampage IV Black Edition
i7 4820k OC to 4.5Ghz
4-Way SLI ASUS GTX 780 3GB
64GB Crucial Ballistix 1866Mhz RAM
ASUS Blu-Ray/DVD Combo
1TB Seagate HDD
512GB Crucial SSD
Hauppauge Colossus PCI Capture Card
850w Fully Modular 80 PLUS Gold PSU
3 x ASUS VE247H Monitors
DeathStalker Ultimate Razer Keyboard
DeathAdder CLG Edition Razer Mouse
Astro A50 Headset
Also eventually when i can be brave enough to try, i want to water cool this system with EK-FB Monoblock for CPU and all 4 GPU's. Anybody have any experience dealing with EK-FB?
As you could also tell, I'm going for the ASUS theme here as well as being convinced by my friend that ASUS is the way to go.
Thank you for reading and taking the time to reply.
Cooler Master HAF-X v2 nVidia Edition
ASUS Rampage IV Black Edition
i7 4820k OC to 4.5Ghz
4-Way SLI ASUS GTX 780 3GB
64GB Crucial Ballistix 1866Mhz RAM
ASUS Blu-Ray/DVD Combo
1TB Seagate HDD
512GB Crucial SSD
Hauppauge Colossus PCI Capture Card
850w Fully Modular 80 PLUS Gold PSU
3 x ASUS VE247H Monitors
DeathStalker Ultimate Razer Keyboard
DeathAdder CLG Edition Razer Mouse
Astro A50 Headset
Also eventually when i can be brave enough to try, i want to water cool this system with EK-FB Monoblock for CPU and all 4 GPU's. Anybody have any experience dealing with EK-FB?
As you could also tell, I'm going for the ASUS theme here as well as being convinced by my friend that ASUS is the way to go.
Thank you for reading and taking the time to reply.
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Traciatim
June 20, 2014 7:02:51 AM
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Traciatim
June 20, 2014 7:39:39 AM
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Tom Tancredi
June 20, 2014 8:29:45 AM
As it seems also the BIG thing for this OP is "Also i want to stream games to Twitch and YouTube " the answer is YES you can easily with this rig, just remember even with this beast (going three panels surround vision as well folks) that you usually suffer 50% cut in FPS when live streaming / recording. So if your getting 90FPS normally you cut down to 45. Just so you don't freak out when it happens.
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oOMrElusiveOo
June 20, 2014 10:12:21 AM
Tom Tancredi said:
As it seems also the BIG thing for this OP is "Also i want to stream games to Twitch and YouTube " the answer is YES you can easily with this rig, just remember even with this beast (going three panels surround vision as well folks) that you usually suffer 50% cut in FPS when live streaming / recording. So if your getting 90FPS normally you cut down to 45. Just so you don't freak out when it happens. With my 3 monitors i don't plan to have a better virtual surround look, ill just be using 1 to game, another to say, have a map of DayZ on and say another for browsing web or replying to people on twitch.
Also i read up on a forum that nVidia's 4-Way SLI isn't really working properly or optimised yet, so i think ill wait it out on the 4 way but for 3 way, is optimised.
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oOMrElusiveOo
June 20, 2014 10:14:20 AM
Traciatim said:
I think a far better solution would be an i5 4690k with 16GB of RAM and one 780ti. Then another similar machine with a 290x, and finally a third machine that's something like a Pentium with an R7 250 or similar so you can test how well your stuff runs on low end hardware too. Nice idea but I'm not gonna touch anything thats AMD based. I'm an nVidia fan. but after i got my system ill buy a cheaper system and let people know on the forum how it works on a low spec pc.
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oOMrElusiveOo
June 20, 2014 10:17:25 AM
Traciatim said:
You don't need anywhere near that machine to do dev work on. That's a ridiculous waste of money. That PSU will not even power it all. 1. You maybe right about the spec needed for Dev Games.
2. Waste of money? Not necessarily if your gonna be using it all and benchmarking.
3. PSU will power them all as i spoke to the guys over at PCSpecialist. Even with the 20% Allowance.
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oOMrElusiveOo
June 20, 2014 10:18:39 AM
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oOMrElusiveOo said:
USAFRet said:
Developing games is not predicated on how powerful your PC is.i7 whatever
4 way SLI
64GB RAM
512GB SSD
3 x 24" monitors
All wildly overspecced.
If that is true then i'm glad to be over specced. rather than under specced. gives me more power for other things.
Over specced = dollars wasted.
Trim 1/2 off that and build another box for testing. And another box for backups. You do have a backup scenario in place, right?
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oOMrElusiveOo
June 20, 2014 11:12:46 AM
USAFRet said:
oOMrElusiveOo said:
USAFRet said:
Developing games is not predicated on how powerful your PC is.i7 whatever
4 way SLI
64GB RAM
512GB SSD
3 x 24" monitors
All wildly overspecced.
If that is true then i'm glad to be over specced. rather than under specced. gives me more power for other things.
Over specced = dollars wasted.
Trim 1/2 off that and build another box for testing. And another box for backups. You do have a backup scenario in place, right?
Back up plan? Nah I'm goin all out mate, this is my first PC build so, go big or go home. Plus I'm in UK so it's GBP for me. gonna be recording me building the 1st phase. then few months later will be recording 2nd build phase. then in about a years time will be doing a Giveaway on the parts ill be replacing for the upgrades. So my plan is tbh, benefiting not just me but others too lol, Also hope to get myself up on the high benchmark scores board.
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oOMrElusiveOo
June 20, 2014 11:24:39 AM
USAFRet said:
Game development? No backups? OK, you go with that. Go big or stay home, right?
I expect to see another post from you in a few months....."I got a bad virus. How do I get my stuff back?!?"
Or one of 20 other different ways you can lose your data...
Well i have a solution for that. STAY OF PORN lol
, oh and Simples. create back up disc. will be using my 3TB Time Capsule. Also i don't download anything illegal or go to porn sites. mainly cuz i got my own bad bitch and i pay for what i have. I only work as a warehouse man so, what i have I've worked hard for. work hard, play hard. awesome moto's.
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Traciatim
June 20, 2014 3:48:54 PM
Onus said:
Your PSU is sufficient for SLI of a pair of GTX780s, not for FOUR of them. If a tech shop told you otherwise, either they misunderstood your request (most people probably think "two" when SLI is mentioned), or they have no business being PC techs.Absolutely this. If you take a look at Anand's test rig over at http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1036?vs=1063 their test machine with a pair of 780's peaked at 642 watts consumed from the wall. Their single card one was 365, which means it climbed by 277 adding a second card. Going to a third will again make that climb to 919 if your rig were the same as theirs... which I very much doubt an 850 is going to do reliably... let alone the 1196 that you would need for 4.
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oOMrElusiveOo
June 21, 2014 5:23:30 PM
Onus said:
Your PSU is sufficient for SLI of a pair of GTX780s, not for FOUR of them. If a tech shop told you otherwise, either they misunderstood your request (most people probably think "two" when SLI is mentioned), or they have no business being PC techs.Yeh i directly told PCSpecialist my whole specs specifically with 4-Way SLI of ASUS GTX 780's. What PSU would you advise?
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June 21, 2014 5:25:37 PM
Traciatim said:
Onus said:
Your PSU is sufficient for SLI of a pair of GTX780s, not for FOUR of them. If a tech shop told you otherwise, either they misunderstood your request (most people probably think "two" when SLI is mentioned), or they have no business being PC techs.Absolutely this. If you take a look at Anand's test rig over at http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1036?vs=1063 their test machine with a pair of 780's peaked at 642 watts consumed from the wall. Their single card one was 365, which means it climbed by 277 adding a second card. Going to a third will again make that climb to 919 if your rig were the same as theirs... which I very much doubt an 850 is going to do reliably... let alone the 1196 that you would need for 4.
Hmm, Very interesting information. Thank you for that. What PSU would you advise as i would also need a 20% Power Allowance left over.
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Traciatim
June 22, 2014 2:03:55 PM
oOMrElusiveOo said:
Traciatim said:
Onus said:
Your PSU is sufficient for SLI of a pair of GTX780s, not for FOUR of them. If a tech shop told you otherwise, either they misunderstood your request (most people probably think "two" when SLI is mentioned), or they have no business being PC techs.Absolutely this. If you take a look at Anand's test rig over at http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1036?vs=1063 their test machine with a pair of 780's peaked at 642 watts consumed from the wall. Their single card one was 365, which means it climbed by 277 adding a second card. Going to a third will again make that climb to 919 if your rig were the same as theirs... which I very much doubt an 850 is going to do reliably... let alone the 1196 that you would need for 4.
Hmm, Very interesting information. Thank you for that. What PSU would you advise as i would also need a 20% Power Allowance left over.
You shouldn't bother, quad SLI scales like garbage, and isn't worth the money. This machine is a complete waste of money, not a dev focused build.
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Your post title is a bit off as you asked for adivce then any advice was met with a "no, I'll do what I wanted to do in the first place" reply.
About having all the power left over to run other things, are you expecting to be coding a game, playing, recording and testing at the same time?
You would need to grow a couple of extra heads and a few more sets of arms for that.
If this is what you want to get, go get it, but get a 1k watt power supply to run it at least if you want 3-4 video cards in the thing.
If you want to actually think about WHY you need all that stuff, you will find out that you can get by at 1/2 the cost EASILY. Fast CPU, yea, 3 or 4 video cards? Waste.
64GB RAM, is good for working with huge video and data files, if that is what you want to do as your full time job, then good. If not, 32 or even 16 gig is plenty for a high-end system.
About having all the power left over to run other things, are you expecting to be coding a game, playing, recording and testing at the same time?
You would need to grow a couple of extra heads and a few more sets of arms for that.
If this is what you want to get, go get it, but get a 1k watt power supply to run it at least if you want 3-4 video cards in the thing.
If you want to actually think about WHY you need all that stuff, you will find out that you can get by at 1/2 the cost EASILY. Fast CPU, yea, 3 or 4 video cards? Waste.
64GB RAM, is good for working with huge video and data files, if that is what you want to do as your full time job, then good. If not, 32 or even 16 gig is plenty for a high-end system.
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