Buying a new pc

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Hi everyone,

I live in Ireland which means i will be dealing in Euro's. I am looking to buy a brand new PC or at least i am, at this time trying to feel about and make an assessment of my needs and pricing.


the TL;DR for this part:
current PC cannot really be upgraded and i don't really have experience building my own machine

So without further stalling here is a list of applications i use regularly.
Music Production : Cubase, Kontakt,
3D modelling\ Environment rendering : Vue 2014 Complete, 3ds Max
2d Art : InkScape, Photoshop
Game Development : GameMaker
Games : World of tanks, Batman Arkham...
Programming : Eclipse, Notepad++, Visual Studio.

the above is relevant because i use all of that stuff and want a new pc that can run them all pretty well, while allowing for updatability (side note: Vue 2014 uses CPU and RAM to do rendering, the more objects in Vue the more ram thats required so i would like a reasonable amount of RAM, this can also apply to music production since loading samples can take up quite a bit of RAM as well).

At this time i would like to keep pricing with 1600 Euros (which is close to the costs of the DELL XPS 710 when i bought it).

Should i buy a Corsair Obsidian 900D?

Given that i aiming to make this pc build last as long as possible and not close any doors for upgrading, should i put precedence on the case?

Would that case be overkill for an air cooling system?

Should i really consider water cooling even if i don't really intend on over clocking, at least not at this point in time?

Given the usage (really general) would i really require a top of the line graphics card or 64GB of ram, what would you consider an effective card or ram for the given tasks

Should i consider water cooling as a first time build it yourself PC whether that be a full custom loop or a closed loop CPU water cooler?

Should i consider any accessories when/if purchasing for e.g. anti-static wristbands, screwdrivers volt meters etc.?

Thermal paste, i know its important but would that be included with the CPU (as in does lets say Intel supply its own paste when you order one of their CPU's or will it be a separate purchase)?

SSD's i am aware of the differences between HDD and SSD and also aware that everyone agrees that speed is king, but for loading stuff like sound libraries should i need an SSD, what are peoples opinions about 1TB SSD's should it be a must have for a new PC build or should i just consider a small SSD for the OS and everything else on a HDD and what about redundancies should i consider RAID or NAS or simply just a single external backup in the chance that my drives take a dive.

I think i have created a big enough wall of text, i hope some of you can answer the questions in your opinion and offer me a reasonable idea of a decent PC build, also a reminder i am Irish so i will be shopping online through either hardwareversand.de , komplett.ie, dabs.ie, pixmania.ie . Also note that Sterling isn't cheap to buy in the Euro zone

Thanks for the time, i look forward to any and all replies.
 

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Hi i edited my post, i need to keep a good part of it because people may miss some important information about what i want or need to ask about. thanks
 
Can you list components and then people could comment? I think people are reluctant cuz we want to see what you are thinking.

This is a US website but it is available in some countries. pcpartpicker.com
Build a system and post it here. Suggestion get liquid cooling. Corsiar H105. and i7 for sure. Also, a 256GB or higher is a must for you.
 

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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($329.98 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($133.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($339.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB ACX Video Card ($339.99 @ B&H)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($129.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 1000W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($179.99 @ TigerDirect)
Total: $1753.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

This is what i have worked on, i am wondering whether i should skim on something (btw, since the prices are in USD and don't include deliveries (i don't even know if newegg or tigerdirect deliver to Ireland i am sure that i was highly dissapointed before as a result of 1 or both sites not doing deliveries) it's going to be more difficult for me to assess whether this set up could be purchased) any tips recommendations, etc, point out any flaws etc. thanks in advance.
 
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This is the UK website version. Changes. Get newer i7 and still excellent CPU cooler. Upgrade mobo. No need for full tower if it is just 1 SSD. Full tower is best for major water cooling or multiple HDD/SSDs. Last, 850W is enough for 2x770. do you need more?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£227.99 @ Aria PC)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£49.34 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£129.96 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£247.58 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£179.99 @ Aria PC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 770 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (£227.99 @ Aria PC)
Case: Corsair 400R ATX Mid Tower Case (£79.46 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£114.36 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £1256.67
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
 

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Thanks for the feedback, but i gotta ask. Why Socket 1150 and not 1155 . Any reason why i shouldn't get a bigger case at the start, i do have other hard drives, as mentioned earlier i have sound libraries, they would require roughly < than 1TB (this excludes HDD i would migrate from current machine) of space. Also in your opinion why MSI graphics card instead of EVGA 770? Also how well would your pc scale in terms of upgrading at a later point, is water cooling still feasible in your recommended setup?
Thanks again, i appreciate it.
 
Socket: Why 1150 instead of 1150? It's newer the 4770k is the new 3770k. 4770k is slightly faster.
CPU cooling:That case will support water cooling kits like the Corsair H100i. Is that enough or are you thinking of making a custom water cooling loop? Anyway, the Noctua NH-U12S delivers really good performance/value.
Case: there are a lot of options here. I chose a good one that isn't too expensive to keep costs reasonable.
GPU: MSI Twin Frozr is a really solid system. I have owned 2 and they are fast, quiet, and run cool. Also, the price is pretty good.
Thermal Paste: buy some separate. Paste comes with all CPUs but it's not very good. You can get a very good one for cheap so don't use the paste that comes with the CPU.
 

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Hi Envy, thanks for the responses i appreciate it a lot.
Regarding the question of a custom loop. Honestly its debatable, the notion of a custom loop sounds awesome, given that this would be my first ever DIY pc i would probably stay air cooling at least until i could upgrade other components.
i think i need to go a bit more in depth here. The cash i have is small at the moment and slowely increases due to me saving what i can (i am not actually employed so i throw a small bit of money aside every week in order to cover myself for the inevitable happens (my pc dies (i heard that DELL XPS 710 motherboards don't have a good track record, so i am really scraping close to the edge since i wont have a backup if/when it fails))).

I am hoping to get a new system as early as September in order to clash with a holiday break from training (i am unemployed but doing training with a company to become as an intern which may lead to being employed (about 75% chance of being employed unless i seriously screw up)

To go back to my main point, if i am going to spend so much cash upfront i want to be able to use some or most of the equipment if i were to upgrade, so for example if i bought an corsair obisidian 900d i wont need a new case for close to 10 years since that case would cater for any if not all potential upgrades in the future. I was considering socket 2011 since thats quite new (but very pricey) and should become more used in the future with the release of new CPU's as well as additional RAM. But saying that i think i may be jumping the mark quite a bit when it comes to this set up, as long as i know that i wont have to do the same hefty replacement i have to do for the Dell XPS710. I will probably go for the closed loop you recommended in the last post.

Whats your opinion of the HAF-X ?

Once again, i appreciate the assistance you are offering, i am quite disappointed that others haven't responded to the thread, so i can't see their opinions as well
 
I agree a custom loop does sound cool as hell. And I'd love one but the price is high. I'd estimate they cost between $300-450 for everything. I'd love to have liquid cooled CPU n GPU, and it'd be quiet.

Anyways the 900d is an awesome case. I'd suggest starting a new thread asking advice on cases. Also, google images will have lots of pics so you can see what people have done. A really cool new design that is great but not really for lots of HDDs is the Corsair 540 air. Has lots of options for how to cool and lots of room.

Last. I delayed posting in hopes others would. Try splitting your topic up into threads...maybe you'll get more hits. And try to keep things short cuz people have short spans.
 

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well thanks for your help mate, appreciate it.