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Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next couple days

Budget Range: max $1,750 but trying to keep it low as possible

System Usage from Most to Least Important:Gaming, Video/Audio Production/Editing, Video/Audio Transcoding, Web surfing, Video Watching/ Music Listening.

Are you buying a monitor: No. Currently using 1 Samsung 24" 1920x1080 IPS Display w/ VGA and HDMI



Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon (I have prime)

Location: Ohio, United States

Parts Preferences: Intel/Nvidia: Intel due to their stronger single core capabilities and Nvidia for Physx and Cuda

Overclocking: No / Maybe. More likely than not I will NOT be overclocking.

SLI or Crossfire: Not now, but am open to the idea in the future

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments (Please also list specific software or games you're using):

MUST have front USB 3.0 ports.

Adobe Photoshop, Sony Vegas Pro, Magix Music Maker, Mixcraft 6 um, too many to say as I try new things too.

Games I play but not limited to: Command and Conquer 3 and Red Alert 3, Sims 2 and 3, Minecraft, Terraria, Starbound, Xcom, Diablo III w/ expansion, Torchlight 1 and 2, Saint's Row 3 and 4, Simcity 2013, 3 and 4, Borderlands 1 and 2, Bioshock (all), Tropico 4, Marvel Heroes, Just Cause 2, all the Crysis games, Civ 5, Batman Arkham Orgins, and will a lot of different ones I guess. This isn't a full list of games I play, just most of the games I can think of off the top of my head.

Games I am looking forwards to in the future: The new Borderlands game, GTA V (if it ever comes out on pc), and I'm sure there will be plenty more.

Here is my initial setup it can be modified to make it cheaper, but I am set on the case:

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mWPWBm) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mWPWBm/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80637i73770) | $295.98 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z77extreme4) | $152.99 @ Amazon
**Memory** | [Kingston Fury Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-hx316c10fk216) | $149.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct120m500ssd1) | $71.99 @ Amazon
**Video Card** | [EVGA GeForce GTX 770 4GB Dual Superclocked ACX Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-04gp43774kr) | $393.99 @ Amazon
**Case** | [Rosewill THOR V2-W ATX Full Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-case-thorv2w) | $111.99 @ Amazon
**Power Supply** | [Corsair 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-ax760) | $159.99 @ Amazon
**Optical Drive** | [Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-bw12b1stblkgas) | $69.99 @ Amazon
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | $1406.91

Opinions, Comments, suggestions, money saving tips? Tell me!

I didn't pick a cpu cooler as I wanted to see what was suggested.

Thanks for the help!
 
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This is what I would do:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($249.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($128.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($144.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($71.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 3GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($499.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill THOR V2-W ATX Full Tower Case ($111.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1422.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

For no-OC builds, the xeons are a great choice since you get the Hyperthreading of the i7s (but no integrated graphics, dont need em anyways).

The EVGA G2 power supply is a great unit at a good price.

You don't need a CPU cooler if you are not overclocking. If you wanted on for the sake of being more quiet than the stock you could grab a Cooler Maste 212 Evo for $30.
 
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Unfortunately I'm buying from Amazon. I did not think of using a Xeon cpu! Brilliant! Yeah the benefits of HT w/o the gpu, which wouldn't be needed since I'm getting a dedicated gpu.

The PSU you suggested was more on Amazon, so I picked this:

EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120g10750xr

That a decent substitution? I for certain won't be SLI'ing anytime soon either. Having a GTX 780 at my disposal probably just made me personally future-proof for a while.

With that build and the fans that are included with that case would I need anymore fans?

[strike]Also I just looked up the motherboard, it doesn't mention that it supports the Xeon cpu's?[/strike] It supports it. Nvm.

Thanks!
 
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The EVGA Supernova Nex (G1) is ok but it had some components that were not amazing quality, The EVGA G2 I posted earlier is comparable to the top of the line power supplies like the Corsair AX or the Seasonic X series(they fixed the problems in the G1 version).

The reason I went with 850w was to support SLI 780s without needing to change the power supply. If you are just looking at a gold rated 750w psu, fully modular then these are the ones I would recommend (from Best to really good):

Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($112.99 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($116.93 @ Amazon)

Power Supply: SeaSonic G-750 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.99 @ Amazon)

Followed by the Supernova Nex series.

The case fans are typically enough, especially with a mid-high end case like yours. You can get different fans that are more quiet or light up or whatever but I usually stick with stock case fans personally so I couldn't recommend some decent alternatives.

When buying the Xeon, make sure you confirm that it is for the 1150 socket and not the 1155, they decided to name some of them the same so it is easy to get confused.
 
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Ah I understand the psu now, I setup my cart with everything. Decided on 750W EVGA G2 that you listed as first.

According to what everything says everything should be compatible. I checked the list of cpus supported by the mobo you suggested and that xeon WAS on there! Amazon shows that the cpu is LGA 1150 and the mobo is LGA 1150 so should be good.

Ok on the case fans, I mean it has 2x 230MM as intakes (front and side) 1x 230MM on top as exhaust and 1x 140MM as exhaust what more could I need?

I also decided on an EVGA GTX 770 SC as I looked up the GTX 780 and I won't be going anything past 1080p gaming for a long time as I just bought the monitor I have now and it seemed like I wouldn't be using the GTX 780 to it's full potential for awhile. Correct me if I'm wrong, please! lol But I'm keeping the mobo, cpu, ram and the modified psu you suggested. One last questions unless something else is changed or comes up. Would the psu support sli GTX 770's in the future?
 
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I personally feel that the gtx 770 is enough with the gtx 780 being a bit more than what you need. If you plan to SLI 770 in the future then the 4gb version is a good idea since SLI VRAM does not add so 2gb vram + 2gb vram= 2gb vram, same with 4. SLI essentially uses the lower of the 2 so if you have a 2gb version and a 4 gb version it would only let you use 2gb when SLId.

For SLI 770 and no overclocking of the CPU 750w would be enough. The max power usage you would see is something along these lines:

SLI gtx 770 = 250W max X 2 = 500w max
CPU = 100W
Total = 600w MAX

PSU run at 80% or less for efficiency and life cycle = 600w

These numbers are based off of overclocked CPU (used the i5 data) testing and torture testing the GPU so you wouldn't actually hit 600w unless you did something crazy.

Actual gaming usage of the gtx 770 is about 150-200w each FYI
 
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Sweet so I'd be safe across the board even for a future sli setup of the 770. Nice! I'll look into the 4GB version. It can't cost too much more.

Um how good is are brands such as Zotac and PNY?

PNY 4GB version: http://www.amazon.com/PNY-GDDR5-Graphics-Cards-VCGGTX7704XPB-OC/dp/B00F6EAN7U/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1403575662&sr=8-2&keywords=GTX+770+4GB

The EVGA one is $393 I might as well buy a GTX 780 at that price. Even though the 780 may have only 3GB it'll still be an upgrade. (I'll probably have to upgrade the psu for sli down the road but I can cross that bridge when I get to it.) Just trying to still watch how much to spend.

 
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While i personally prefer EVGA, Gigabyte, MSI, or ASUS I have heard of plenty of ppl being satisfied by PNY or Zotac. The chip inside is the same for all of them, the companies are just overclocking, adding a cooler, and providing customer service. Since I haven't dealt with them personally I can't comment on their customer service really.

The price of the EVGA 4gb was actually one of the reasons I bumped up to the gtx 780 roiginally haha :)
 
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Yeah, I figured that once I looked at the prices, lol. Makes it a little tough. I may just go single GTX 770 2GB version. I honestly don't see going past that unless GTA V does. Then again the way they 'optimized' GTA 4 for pc I might be better off just getting GTA V for ps3. HAHA!

My laptop has an AMD Radeon HD 8970M in it and from what I can see, the GTX 770 will outbeat it, as the 8970M is a slightly OC'ed 7970M which was equal to between a Desktop 7850 and 7870.

From Notebookcheck.net
"The design of the Radeon 8900M series has its roots to the Pitcairn chip as found on the desktop Radeon HD 7870. The 8970M in particular is similar to its desktop Radeon HD 7870 counterpart with 1280 1D shader cores and 80 texture units, but has a core clock of only 900 MHz (boost) versus the 1000 MHz clock of the HD 7870. Compared to the HD 7970M, the 8970M shares the same base clock rate but with a 50 MHz higher Turbo clock for a 6% increase (1.01 TFLOPS vs. 1.07 TFLOPS) in raw SP calculations. As a result, general performance of the HD 8970M is somewhere between the 7850 and 7870 desktop Radeon cards."

I've become a little more knowledgable in the past few hours, lol. It was just trying to see the differences between AMD and Nvidia, but with the extra step of comparing Mobile to Desktop as well.

I think a GTX 770 w/ 2GB will do me pretty good, or just forgo the 770 and skip to the 780. That's a debate to sleep on I guess and not make a rash decision.

I am more in the same camp as you, I've at least heard of all the ones you've listed. Plus PNY at least for other stuff. Zotac was the biggest unknown.

Another thing, I won't have no problems with bottlenecking with that Xeon correct? Even if I sli'ed 2 780s?
 
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Yeah, I would either just go for the 2gb 770 or the 780. The Xeon should not bottleneck even with SLI 780s. You might get a bottleneck in 3-4 years if you upgrade the GPU to whatever is out then but the Xeon can handle what the 780s throw at it.
 
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Sweet! I like the idea of a Xeon as it's pretty much also a "Server" cpu, no one I know could say they have this hehe, plus I do occasionally run servers on my computer so that makes it even better. (I used quotes for server as all a server is, is a computer that is pretty much specialized for a particular thing such as a website, hosting a game etc) Anyhow yeah, the Xeon is an i7 w/o igpu which I have no need for. Why would anyone buy an i7 when they won't use the igpu? Probably overlook it like I did. haha!

I'm starting to have some second thoughts on the Case. I wouldn't mind something that keeps things cool but that I can dress it up some, show off the guts and maybe add a little lighting. Red or Blue setup. I'll have to look into that. Any suggestions for a case that would match all the specs and have a window with good cooling for these parts?
 
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Here are 2 cases that I like:

Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($101.46 @ Amazon)

Case: NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)

The Fractal Design comes in white or black and is know for being a quiet (sound dampening) and well cooled case with a simple design.

The Phantom has got it's unique shape and comes in Withe Black or Red.

There are soo many different options for cases but I usually stick to Fractal Design, Corsair, NZXT since they all typically have good air flow. LED fans can be added onto pretty much anyone of them.
 
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Would the Phantom 410 support the gpu? Let's say I went with the GTX 780. I like the look of those cases. Also looks like it has plenty of room for cooling.

Also looks like Amazon sold out of the 750W EVGA PSU and won't be shipping them for awhile. Wondering also if a 80+ Silver or Bronze would be ok, I've never had a psu that was 80+ certified (is that right? Certified?) To maybe cut down the price a little or something. As I may just go with a GTX 780 for a little more "future-proofing" on horsepower. Plus it looks like if I got the Phantom 410 that I want it would cost more than the Rosewill. I've just seen so many videos on the Phantom's capabilities, other than gpu size has me worried.

Uh, just took a look at prices more now that I am more awake, an EVGA GTX 770 4GB is $394
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclocked-Dual-Link-Graphics-04G-P4-3774-KR/dp/B00E5AEIKE/ref=sr_1_11?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1403606318&sr=1-11&keywords=EVGA+GTX+780

the first GTX 780 is actually $470 and is a reference PNY (has the blower and everything.)
http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Video-Graphics-Card-VCGGTX7803XPB/dp/B00CW7VZNK/ref=sr_1_15?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1403606318&sr=1-15&keywords=EVGA+GTX+780

I like the look of the blower, but have read that it doesn't cool as well, heat is also a concern. I would rather have a louder computer due to cooling (and not being able to buy the 'high end' quiet fans than a near silent computer that is overheating.

Cheapest GTX 780 that is non reference and non-PNY (I do prefer a name I've heard about a lot more) $499 and is that EVGA, but that won't start shipping out until June 28th, which I can't wait as this is also a project and has a due date.

I may be going with a GTX 770 now as I look at things. Would the phantom 410 support 2x in sli down the road, also if I'm going 770 I might as well go 4GB for more future- proofing down the road. Difference in price is less than $60 for 2GB more. I would also prefer to keep all the HDD bays in place from the looks of it.
 
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You wouldn't want one of the reference cooler models. The phantom 410 would support SLI as far as I know and should have no trouble fitting the gtx 780 or 770. Googleing around some images, It looks like some people remove some drive bays and others don't.

80+ Bronze is perfectly fine, the major difference between the bronze cert and gold cert is how efficient the power supply is between the power plug and your pc. Basically a gold would save you a bit more on your power bill (just a little bit but it adds up). The problem is that for a good quality 750w PSU, you pretty much end up spending $100-$120 on amazon bronze or gold.

This is a good bronze one:

Power Supply: Antec HCG M 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($113.69 @ Amazon)

Problem is that at this price you would be better off getting either the EVGA G1 you linked earlier or the Seasonic or XFX I linked earlier.
 
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Cool and also a good thing the EVGA G2 you linked me originally is back! So I put it into my cart.

Here is my order setup:

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PfkrYJ) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/PfkrYJ/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646e31230v3) | $249.99 @ Amazon
**Motherboard** | [Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gigabyte-motherboard-gaz97xgaming3) | $128.99 @ Amazon
**Memory** | [Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d1609ds1s00) | $144.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct120m500ssd1) | $72.00 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) | $59.24 @ Amazon
**Video Card** | [EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp42774kr) | $336.99 @ Amazon
**Case** | [NZXT Phantom 410 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-caph410w2) |-
**Power Supply** | [EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-220g20750xr) | $112.99 @ Amazon
**Optical Drive** | [Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-bc12b1stblkbas) | $60.74 @ Amazon
**Wireless Network Adapter** | [TP-Link TL-WDN4800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/tp-link-wireless-network-card-tlwdn4800) | $37.33 @ Amazon
**Case Fan** | [NZXT FN-120RB 47.3 CFM 120mm Fan](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-fn120rb) | $5.94 @ Amazon
**Case Fan** | [NZXT FN-120RB 47.3 CFM 120mm Fan](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-fn120rb) | $5.94 @ Amazon
**Case Fan** | [NZXT FN-140RB 62.5 CFM 140mm Fan](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-fn140rb) | $6.85 @ Amazon
**Case Fan** | [NZXT FN-140RB 62.5 CFM 140mm Fan](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/nzxt-case-fan-fn140rb) | $6.85 @ Amazon
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available | $1228.84

Issue is the price is a little off, cart prices state: $1,380.57 before 1 day shipping which I am welling to pay.

$1,450.42 after 1-day shipping

This also included a Sleeved LED light kit that was blue as well as a couple other items I believe.
If I bumped up to a GTX 780 we could see a good $100 extra, which I am not sure would be worth it in all honesty as I never game on more than one screen and will be gaming at 1080p for awhile since I just got this monitor. So what's your thoughts on this? Look good? This will probably be my final edit, unless there is anything else.
 
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The build looks great! Personally I would stick with a gtx 770 for a single screen 1080p since the price/performance ratio is quite a bit better for the 770 than the 780. But then again I am the sort that would save $100 now to get my next upgrade a year earlier since tech moves so quickly that "future proofing" is almost pointless (In 2-3 years I will probably be able to buy a card comparable to the gtx 780 at a gtx 760's price).
 
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Yeah, I get what your saying, it's kind of the same way on how I feel, specially if I'm not gonna fully use the higher end.

Thanks for all your help and hope to meet you again on here!! Gonna order my parts here really soon!

Edit: Order all my parts, the case is gonna take an extra day for some stupid reason, I was at least refunded the extra amount for 1-day shipping.

Can't wait to get my build on!
 
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Will everything came! Wow is this setup fast! I'm still installing stuff but after a few tests I am very happy with the setup. I would like to note though, I was going to go with the EVO 212 but decided that I wanted to do something that looked awesome and cooled better than stock still. A good one was the CoolerMaster V8GTS. Wow it fit with my design idea. I know it doesn't cool as good as the Evo does, but since I knew that the stock cooler was good enough and the V8GTS would do better than stock I figured I was safe. Yeah I paid a premium for the cooler but it was worth it in the end. If I'm happy then that's all that matters. The cooler does keep things cool. I haven't tried load, but ambient temps are 24C right now, so I'm happy. WARNING!!!!! The V8GTS is a large cooler. Larger than an EVO 212. (My friend actually has the same case a Phantom 410 black) and an EVO 212, and we compared it. The V8GTS almost hits the window and is the main feature in the case. The 212 is still kind of a main feature but doesn't hog the window so much. This is far from complaining as the V8GTS is a sight to see and can ONLY be appreciated in person!

Anyhow I just wanted to post an update for anyone who may be curious. Overall I am very happy!
 
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Yep, also by chance, the mobo also has some red stripes of light on it! Surprised the crap out of me! I set up an LED light strip going under the case as well and the sucker just looks mean at night! I gotta find something to keep the light in, though as it's shinning through the plastic parts of the case and the leds are set to low.

Any suggestions? I was thinking of just using some electric tape really. Fairly cheap, heat resistant (in that any heat won't bother it much if any.) and easy to come by. :)
 
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Black electrical tape would probably work well and is cheap, sticks well enough. I don't have much personal experience with adding LEDs and stuff to cases since I am usually happy with the stock stuff.

You should post some pics when you are all done so I can see :D
 
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Yeah, and that I will do some pics to share when done. I still need to do a little cleanup and stuff I wish the lighting was a little easier, but meh it's not like i'm gonna be opening up the case a lot once I'm done. I'll post some pics when done though! And thanks for all the help! A few small tweaks here and there for personal tastes but otherwise I think I kept to your original setup. :D Pics coming soon!
 
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Here you go, I even did the black electrical tape idea! haha

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oxc6rjrikaxhadp/AADiZOXcHFbGeIo5BeuWsrvRa

Should allow you to see them, they aren't the best, but hopefully it gives you a good idea of what it looks like now!

Let me know if you or no one else can see the pics.
 
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I might also state that with the V8GTS on my cpu and in a 22C ambient temperature room, the cpu hit a max temp of about 55C while running Prime95 64-bit edition "Maximum Heat Test" Note: I only ran it for about 15-20 mins as I usually NEVER max my cpu out for very long. Most likely with the Xeon I probably won't max it out for awhile. So I felt the test was decent. This test was also done with the case fans blowing at the lowest speed settings from the case fan controller. (2x 120MM front intake, 1x 140 MM side intake, 1x 140 MM middle (blowing across the pci/e slots, 1x 140M MM rear exhaust and 2x 140 MM top exhaust.) So I have room to move more air in and out of the case later on. I may attempt to run both the cpu and gpu to see what the heat may do at that point. But it would be a worst case scenerio as I don't think I would max both at the same time.
 
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