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June 23, 2014 4:39:01 PM

I'm new to water cooling and I'm not sure which would be better - these parts or one of these kits. I'm going to be cooling my CPU for now, but i will add my Graphics card in the future. My budget is $320.


Parts


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14186/ex-blc-971/XSPC...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2128/ex-pmp-27/Swifte...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12700/ex-rad-225/Magi...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15531/ex-tub-1228/XSP...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17873/ex-tub-1606/Pri...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13183/ex-res-282/Alph...

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Series-SP120-Edition-CO-9...



Kits

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/21642/ex-wat-276/XSPC...

or

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14573/ex-wat-188/Swif...

or

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17739/ex-wat-232/Swiftech_H20-320_Elite_Series_Liquid_Cooling_Kit_-_Universal_Mount_H2O-320-Elite.html?tl=g30c321


I'm completely open to any suggestions of kits or parts.
System:
Case Phanteks Enthoo Primo Ultimate Chassis
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 GAMING
Graphics card: Msi gtx 760 (I will probably get another one in the future)
Cpu: Intel Core i5-4670K
Ram: corsair vengeance pro 2x4
Cpu cooler Hyper 212 Plus
power supply: CX 600 corsair

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June 28, 2014 11:11:37 AM

TheMysteriousStranger said:
I'm new to water cooling and I'm not sure which would be better - these parts or one of these kits. I'm going to be cooling my CPU for now, but i will add my Graphics card in the future. My budget is $320.


Parts


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14186/ex-blc-971/XSPC...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2128/ex-pmp-27/Swifte...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12700/ex-rad-225/Magi...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15531/ex-tub-1228/XSP...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17873/ex-tub-1606/Pri...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13183/ex-res-282/Alph...

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Series-SP120-Edition-CO-9...



Kits

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/21642/ex-wat-276/XSPC...

or

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14573/ex-wat-188/Swif...

or

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17739/ex-wat-232/Swiftech_H20-320_Elite_Series_Liquid_Cooling_Kit_-_Universal_Mount_H2O-320-Elite.html?tl=g30c321


I'm completely open to any suggestions of kits or parts.
System:
Case Phanteks Enthoo Primo Ultimate Chassis
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 GAMING
Graphics card: Msi gtx 760 (I will probably get another one in the future)
Cpu: Intel Core i5-4670K
Ram: corsair vengeance pro 2x4
Cpu cooler Hyper 212 Plus
power supply: CX 600 corsair


What about a H20 320 Edge HD? Look at this tutorial, that is basically what I used there-http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-2162058/short-guide-elementary-custom-watercooling.html
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July 22, 2014 4:33:45 PM

I wouldn't use that Swifttech....thing. Not even if someone paid me.
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July 22, 2014 4:50:05 PM

Vellinious said:
I wouldn't use that Swifttech....thing. Not even if someone paid me.


Wow. I would, I think 20F below ambient on a bad day is pretty good. Plus, I customized mine. Clearly you are bias in some way toward Swiftech.
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July 22, 2014 4:53:34 PM

you could buy like a cheap watercooling kit(xspc raystorm and replace pump, resivoir, and tubing.)
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July 22, 2014 5:03:36 PM

Hello man said:
Vellinious said:
I wouldn't use that Swifttech....thing. Not even if someone paid me.


Wow. I would, I think 20F below ambient on a bad day is pretty good. Plus, I customized mine. Clearly you are bias in some way toward Swiftech.


Uh...unless you have some really fancy refrigeration unit to cool the water, you CAN'T cool water temps below ambient. It's not possible. Reload, and try again.
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July 22, 2014 5:14:09 PM

Your tutorial is also misleading....fan CFM greatly depends on the fin count of the radiator. Some radiators, with a lower fin count, are designed to work with low CFM fans, and adding higher CFM fans don't really do much more for cooling. High fin count radiators won't work well at all with low CFM fans, because they usually won't generate enough static pressure to move air efficiently through the radiator.

Just sayin....
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July 22, 2014 5:28:43 PM

TheMysteriousStranger said:
I'm new to water cooling and I'm not sure which would be better - these parts or one of these kits. I'm going to be cooling my CPU for now, but i will add my Graphics card in the future. My budget is $320.


Parts


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14186/ex-blc-971/XSPC...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/2128/ex-pmp-27/Swifte...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/12700/ex-rad-225/Magi...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15531/ex-tub-1228/XSP...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17873/ex-tub-1606/Pri...

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13183/ex-res-282/Alph...

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Series-SP120-Edition-CO-9...



Kits

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/21642/ex-wat-276/XSPC...

or

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14573/ex-wat-188/Swif...

or

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/17739/ex-wat-232/Swiftech_H20-320_Elite_Series_Liquid_Cooling_Kit_-_Universal_Mount_H2O-320-Elite.html?tl=g30c321


I'm completely open to any suggestions of kits or parts.
System:
Case Phanteks Enthoo Primo Ultimate Chassis
Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 GAMING
Graphics card: Msi gtx 760 (I will probably get another one in the future)
Cpu: Intel Core i5-4670K
Ram: corsair vengeance pro 2x4
Cpu cooler Hyper 212 Plus
power supply: CX 600 corsair


If this is your first time, I'd highly suggest just getting the XSPC kit, and go from there. It comes with a good reservoir. The XSPC radiators are almost all designed with low CFM fans in mind to keep noise down. Their cooling performance is many times middle of the road compared to ALL radiators on the market, but perform very good against other single thick and slim line radiators. The pump that it comes with is a D5 Vario, and has plenty of head pressure and flow to push water through CPU/GPU/Northbridge cooling. If you're just doing CPU, and plan to upgrade to watercooling a GPU, this is the perfect solution. Also, the Raystorm waterblocks perform really well even compared to blocks that cost 2x as much.
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July 23, 2014 11:07:56 AM

Vellinious said:
Hello man said:
Vellinious said:
I wouldn't use that Swifttech....thing. Not even if someone paid me.


Wow. I would, I think 20F below ambient on a bad day is pretty good. Plus, I customized mine. Clearly you are bias in some way toward Swiftech.


Uh...unless you have some really fancy refrigeration unit to cool the water, you CAN'T cool water temps below ambient. It's not possible. Reload, and try again.


Actually, you can. Because the disturbed air from the fans itself is colder than ambient, when it comes in contact with the RAD-boom, colder than ambient.
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July 23, 2014 11:51:57 AM

Hello man said:
Vellinious said:
Hello man said:
Vellinious said:
I wouldn't use that Swifttech....thing. Not even if someone paid me.


Wow. I would, I think 20F below ambient on a bad day is pretty good. Plus, I customized mine. Clearly you are bias in some way toward Swiftech.


Uh...unless you have some really fancy refrigeration unit to cool the water, you CAN'T cool water temps below ambient. It's not possible. Reload, and try again.


Actually, you can. Because the disturbed air from the fans itself is colder than ambient, when it comes in contact with the RAD-boom, colder than ambient.


No, you really can't.... What you're talking about is the temperature of compressed air being cooler than ambient room temperature. But it's only cooler when the compressed air expands, so it would have to first be compressed. But while blowing into a case, or against a radiator would be nearly impossible. They could also cause the water in the air to condense, which could offer a little more cooling capacity, but then, with condensation comes other problems. Like insulating all the squishy parts. But again....it'd take some amazing fans to create this effect, OR, crazy high humidity and a very high dew point. And even then, the water would be AT ROOM TEMPS.

The only way to get below ambient cooling is to use a Peltier cooler, phase change, chiller, or liquid nitrogen. Science and stuff....I guess it's not for everybody.

I would add, that if your temps are reading below, or even AT room temps, you need to look into another program...because it's reading them wrong.
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July 23, 2014 7:34:02 PM

Are there admins around somewhere? YO, ADMIN GUY(S), how'd a guy that think he can cool 20F below ambient room temps with a Swifttech water cooling kit, become a "guru" in anything?

ADMIN! Yeah, over here...
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July 24, 2014 3:06:07 PM

Vellinious said:
Are there admins around somewhere? YO, ADMIN GUY(S), how'd a guy that think he can cool 20F below ambient room temps with a Swifttech water cooling kit, become a "guru" in anything?

ADMIN! Yeah, over here...


wait when you cool the water in the rad doesnt it become colder than the surrounding air.??
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July 24, 2014 3:59:20 PM

Did you read the watercooling sticky by Rubix?
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July 24, 2014 4:16:54 PM

amuffin said:
Did you read the watercooling sticky by Rubix?


no sorry i'll look it up
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July 24, 2014 4:59:14 PM

No....it doesn't.
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July 24, 2014 5:16:58 PM

Vellinious said:
No....it doesn't.


oh sorry didnt know
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July 29, 2014 10:34:31 AM

You cannot reach sub-ambient temps with traditional watercooling; absolute best you can achieve is a delta of 0 degrees which would mean your water temps at 100% load would be exactly the same as ambient room temperature.

Any BTW, Swiftech does make some great hardware for watercooling; they have been doing it far longer than most of the other vendors on the market today. Not everything they make is the absolute best, but they know what works and what doesn't.
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August 1, 2014 4:28:01 PM

rubix_1011 said:
You cannot reach sub-ambient temps with traditional watercooling; absolute best you can achieve is a delta of 0 degrees which would mean your water temps at 100% load would be exactly the same as ambient room temperature.

Any BTW, Swiftech does make some great hardware for watercooling; they have been doing it far longer than most of the other vendors on the market today. Not everything they make is the absolute best, but they know what works and what doesn't.


IDK maybe my sensors are borked. Both the temps in Overdrive (thermal margin) and HW monitor correlate. Amen @rubix_1011. I don't think being rude and sarcastic when your account has no solutions makes anyone think you are a guru in anything. I'm a 14 year old kid and certainly not the worlds expert when it comes to computers, or using forums. (self admitted)
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August 1, 2014 4:29:13 PM

Vellinious, I will make that edit to my tutorial ASAP-that is something I did not know.
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August 16, 2014 11:59:31 AM

Hey, you're the expert. Do what ya want.
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