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Good evening folks Thanks for reading this and share your ideas please am building a new game pc and thought i was done picking the components but.. there isn't enough info on all 97 mobo's.

The basic build is done.

http://tweakers.net/gallery/552287#tab:wenslijst

Zalman gs1000 cause the case has space and looks good and even better with modding for cooling.

Seasonic gold 550w for i7 core with 750ti or 7850 or Seasonic platinum 660w for an 7950.

Zalman cpu cooler plus fans to keep it original as possible.

Samsung evo 120gb cause it's good enough for windows and the few games i play.

Open for ideas about the mobo please and im not sure to get xeon 1230v3 instead of i7 cause there's an gpu needed anyways and i dont oc and would an platinum psu be worth the money cause the power usage from the 7950 ?

The system is for older games like Skyrim and Dragon age 1&2 and upcoming games like Dragon age3 and Witcher3 on high settings (dont need the highest settings cause mods run better and lighter than ingame settings) 1080p is enough.

What the whole system needs is.

1st is quality and durability.
2nd is power efficiency and performance.
3rd is price and futurepoof.

Thanks in advance and please share anything U have in your mind everything will be appreciated ^^ and sowy for rambling it took me 2 hours to write this..
 
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If you are not going to overclock and solely use this for gaming I would use an i5 and but any extra budget towards getting the best GPU you can,
Also if you are not overclocking then a Z97 is extra money a feature you do not need, the only other benefit of a Z97 is the ability to SLI or Crossfire, so I would rather get one better card now then have to add another cheaper card and try and get scaled performance which never is good from a price/performance perspective

So with that in mind I would say go with the i5 (4570 or 4590), a H97 (your three vendors are all good so look for reviews from the site you use) and see if you can get a 770 with the savings, thats going to give you the best graphics performance for 1080p and you should...
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If you are not going to overclock and solely use this for gaming I would use an i5 and but any extra budget towards getting the best GPU you can,
Also if you are not overclocking then a Z97 is extra money a feature you do not need, the only other benefit of a Z97 is the ability to SLI or Crossfire, so I would rather get one better card now then have to add another cheaper card and try and get scaled performance which never is good from a price/performance perspective

So with that in mind I would say go with the i5 (4570 or 4590), a H97 (your three vendors are all good so look for reviews from the site you use) and see if you can get a 770 with the savings, thats going to give you the best graphics performance for 1080p and you should be fine on a 550W, they recommend a 600W with 42A on the 12V rail though. I would not recommend Platinum at these power uses, I doubt you would ever make the money back (maybe if you run 24/7 folding or mining)
 
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Gotta agree with him.
 
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Hey RC and SU sorry for my chaotic writing and Thanks for your time and input ^^ am very happy to hear that an 550w gold is enough and that the i5 is still enough for gaming and i love the asus h and z type mobo's but does any asus have the same power efficiency ? cause here is the link why i like the z97a and the msi z97 5

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/5385/48/19-intel-z97-chipset-motherboards-review-testing-the-new-generation-power-consumtion-3dmark-vantage-average

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/5385/49/19-intel-z97-chipset-motherboards-review-testing-the-new-generation-power-consumption-cinebench-115-max

http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/5385/50/19-intel-z97-chipset-motherboards-review-testing-the-new-generation-power-consumption-idle-avg-over-5-minutes

there aren't reviews like the asus h97 etc. but anyway am off to bed check u folks later GN :)

About the gpu the 7950 is already the max card i want cause the power usage so an 770 is no no even if its free..
 
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Fair enough on the power front, followed the links and very interesting, using there comparison tool I was able to find some data for the asrock series (were the only ones I could get to give the same data from the same vendor)

Extreme Fatal1ty Fatal1ty Extreme
Z97 H97 Z97 Z97
4 Perfomance Killer 6
Power consumption - 3DMark Vantage (avg) 76.3 W 63.1 W 76.1 W 70.2 W
Power consumption - Cinebench 11.5 (max) 138 W 88.7 W 140 W 93.4 W
Power consumption - Idle (avg. 5 min.) 31.2 W 28.8 W 36.0 W 33.6 W
So in every category and especially the cinebench the H87 saves power
 
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Sorry I tried to use spaces to format it but apparently the forum doesnt like that, you may want to try their comparison tool yourself to have a look, it only makes them as temporaries so cant link the one I made up
 
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Honestly, the power usage difference between those boards and the graphics cards you mentioned will amount to very little difference in your electric bill. We are talking about cents here. Scroll down to the power consumption chart to see the difference in the graphics cards: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_750_and_750_ti_review,5.html

There is hardly any difference between a 770 and where that 7950 would be. If you really are that concerned with power consumption, it looks like a 760 would be the card for you.
 
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Great info and yes maybe an 760 would be nice but.. cards are getting bigger and bigger the original idea was to use an 750ti cause this info about performance http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_750_Ti_OC/21.html
and this http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_750_Ti_OC/23.html am not sure how accurate this site is but i never liked nvidia cause the 7850 did amazing stuff for the wattage till the 750ti power efficiency.

Here's the lates build inspired by the info of u two ^^ http://tweakers.net/gallery/552287#tab:wenslijst the asus h97pro looks promising the 4670k is cheap secondhand and there isnt much price difference between the 4670 and 4670k the sapphire 7950 is the way to go i think but the gpu and cooling is the second order so i will look around for 750ti and 760 and 7850 bargains.

Oh one last thought.. my brother and me talked about upcomming games and we still have alot of older games we still need to play so maybe an i3 3.7 ghz with an 750ti would be enough for 1 or 2 years and wait for the devils to drop in price ? i mean that would save money and power plus the system is made so we can swap any 1150 cpu we want.
 
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Definitely an option to go the i3 route, it should be ok for most older titles and you do have the option of upgrading later, the one issue i can think of is Intel will be moving on to their new architecture in the fall/winter which will be a different socket style, so if you want to upgrade in a year you will probably be alright to find chips that work, after that they will probably stop manufacturing them though so you may be looking at a new chip/mobo and RAM (will be on DDR4 at that point)

The only issue with a K processor is that you need a Z series motherboard to do any overclocking (DISCLAIMER Asus has said they will make overclocking available on their non-Z series motherboards, however ASRock had something similar before and Intel forced them to change it back to only Z-series, but now that the new anniversary Pentiums can be overclocked they may allow this, so to summarise if you want to go the overclocking route I would get a Z series since it is guaranteed to allow overclocking)

For graphics if you are doing only older style games on the 750ti you should be alright, it will win in a performance per watt comparison but will struggle with higher tier games, suggest checking out the benchmarks on Tom's for these and seeing what you think is right,
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2014-vga-charts/benchmarks,175.html
 
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Hello SU and thanks for your time and info ^^ Tom's looks more reliable and i had doubts about techpowerup before.. but still gpu's like the nvidia 760 and amd 7950 or 270 perform great but the power consumption is still to high for the performance they have around 10 or 15 fps more while they use around 40 % more power it's not worth it.

But i compared the r265 vs 7850 vs 750ti and those have the performance wattage efficiency i am looking for the 7950 and r270 and 760 come close but i just dont want and need a 200w system no matter the purchase costs.

But the good news is i found 2 cpu's for a fraction of the new price ^^ an i3 4130 (new price 105 euro) for 69 euro inclusief delivery with warranty and a i7 4790 (new price 265 euro) for 230 euro inclusief delivery with warranty!

The i3 is good enough plus there's enough budget to complete the system with an 750ti and cooling plus i can always upgrade later with devils canyon and give the i3 to family or get the system complete with the 4790 and order the card and cooling in august.

Oh and thanks for the info on the boards SU ^^ even if i get an z type mobo and or an k cpu oc isn't for me i was wondering to save more budget and get an 4790k but i dont need it besides the sites in holland are getting over flooded with secondhand i7 cores Woohoo!

PS. i found an sapphire 7850 (149 euro new) for 90 euro with warranty and a gigabyte 750ti (new price 129 euro) for 105 euro with warranty.
 
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