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Hi, do you use SSD's only to install the OS on? and then have a hdd to have games and everything installed on? is that the right way to use them? thanks for answers
 
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Yes, ideally, you want a big enough SSD to install the OS and a few of your most commonly played games on. The HDD is used for storage purposes and to keep handy any other games and programs you may have that are'nt reliant on fast boot times or are used infrequently.
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Sorry for being dumb, but I've never heard of page file before, can you explain to me what it is?
 
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Yes, ideally, you want a big enough SSD to install the OS and a few of your most commonly played games on. The HDD is used for storage purposes and to keep handy any other games and programs you may have that are'nt reliant on fast boot times or are used infrequently.
 
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It depens on size of SSD.
If it can hold it you should install OS and all software (games and other stuff) on your SSD.
HDD use for data storage, that mean for files you dont need to access so often or no need for them to be loaded so fast.

If it can't hold all of that install OS and pick software you want to start/run faster and install that on SSD and rest on HDD.

Reason for installing other stuff on SSD too is that it's nice that OS boot in few seconds, but what it helps if after boot it's start loading all other software from HDD? It will be just slightly faster than it was before. This is classic marketing trick. They sell you 20-40GB ssd for "faster run of OS" that is nice OS run faster just everything else you do is as slow as before. So try to get SSD big enough for your needs.
 
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Thank you sir V, you were very helpful!
 
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Maybe you got it backwards.

Solid state drives are hardly worth it as it is. They flash and have shorter life span along with not being able to defrag.
 
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Oh good grief.

1. You do not need to, nor want to, defrag an SSD.
2. Current consumer grade SSDs are proving to be more reliable than a traditional HDD
3. 'worth it' is very much dependent on your wallet.. A current 120GB SSD can be had for under $75.

120GB is large enough to hold your OS, and a crapload of applications. Once you start adding games, then space can become an issue.
However, most games do not really benefit from being installed on an SSD. Framerate is not affected either way.

An SSD with the OS and applications installed on it makes the shole system feel and operate snappier.

As for your pagefile recommendation - why would you do that? pagefile is only used when the system runs out of physical RAM. A condition that should happen rarely if ever.
 
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I agree trim is a good feature for them but a lot of people disable it for whatever reason.. i am not totally sure.

The fact is having your os, games, and page file on a ssd is pretty damn intensive on it.

However you wanna do it, You should at least have the page file on a separate drive as your os.

Even if you have 2 ssd and no hdd it would give you best performance.
 
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Open your windows task manager and take a look dude... it is getting used a lot more than you have been led to believe.
I have read articles about having your page file on a separate drive while gaming.

 
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And that is why I have reduced my pagefile to 1GB min and max.
For the SSD, current total writes to it are ~5TB. 18+ months of being on 24/7.

Independent endurance tests are showing SSD's with 600TB+ writes, and zero retired cells. You do the math.
 
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I went large. I have my OS (with its PF) on a Samsung 128GB 470. My games go to a Samsung 840pro 256GB drive. I'm about to buy a 750GB/1TB Evo drive for the games, move the OS over to the 840pro, and dump the Samsung 470. (Might put it in my laptop, not sure.) This way my games AND OS have their own drive with lots of room. I know the SSD doesn't give me more FPS, but I like the nearly no wait when loading a game. I would get the largest SSD you can afford, put the OS on it, and as many of your frequently used apps/games.
 
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haha I deserved the cough. That is great how Samsung is advancing ssd's. I guess the wheels just keep turning onto bigger and better things.
I personally have 2 Western Digital Blue 1tb 7200rpm 64mb cache hhd's because they where like $120 together and give some pretty damn good gaming performance.
Not sure how the pricing stacks up but i will take a look.

 
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Keep in mind those numbers are for the 840 Evo which uses TLC NAND when higher end drives use MLC NAND that should give quite a bit more endurance. I went with the 500GB Evo. Even with 50Gb of writes ( yeah right! pun intended. ) a day it should officially last 30 years and in reality that would be closer to 60 years.
 
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My 2 hyperX ssd's in raid 0 and my corsair ssds in raid one still work great to this day. I also write and delete data on the hyperX a lot everyday and they still run super strong. The kingston ssd is also almost 2 years old now.
 
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It's not just Samsung. The entire industry has been progressing.
This test has been going for a while.
http://techreport.com/review/26058/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-data-retention-after-600tb

Kingston HyperX 3k 240GB (I have the 128GB version), with 600+TB writes so far, and zero retired cells. That means 100% life left.
600TB write ops is huge in normal desktop operation. Real world comparison - my boot drive (OS and all applications), the above mentioned Kingston, has ~5TB total writes, in over 18 months of daily 24/7 use.

That math works out to 180 years.
Will it last that long? Obviously not. But it is not going to die anytime soon because of too many write operations.
 
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