Why Am I running unexpectedly hot?

jaytrinitron

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So I just built my first water cooling build, but it's running hotter than I thought it would... my main GPU, an EVGA hydro copper gtx 770, idles at around 50C, and my CPU, a delidded i7 4770k with Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra, idles at 40C on air. I have seen 4770k delid temps as low as 30C from other people on air, so is my i7 unnaturally hot? If so, why? And is the same true for the gpu?
I believe both temps should be at least 10 degrees lower. Is this because there are still bubbles in my loop? There are some small bubbles next to one big bubble in the reservoir that I can see and microbubbles in the tubes, and I'd wager some bubbles in the rads... could these bubbles be the source of a 10 degree difference?
Also, all of these are stock clocks. I was hoping to OC the delidded 4770k to 5 ghz. Is this possible with my temps?
Furthermore, should I oc the gpu(s) at all?
Also, my computer just shut down while running heaven valley on my two gtx 770s in sli (second is air-cooled, main is water cooled, both are evga classified editions.) I believe I have the most recent driver! Why is this happening? The air cooled secondary gpu temp is around 40C. Before the shut down I was running on ultra preset with 8x antialiasing and 1080p and getting like 20 fps... I'm starting to think something is wrong with my gpu... and why is my cpu acting so weird too?
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It's hard to get my mind wrapped around your setup from your explanations it would help if you provide a picture of your setup, but with the information you have provided I'll try to help you.

First delidding the 4770K could end up worse than the performance before delidding if the adhesive that secured the IHS in the first place was not dealt with when the new thermal compound was applied, the adhesive itself defines the gap, so are you sure you have good underside contact of the removed IHS and the core die?

The adhesive will hold the contact off of the underside off a little from the CPU die so you need to be sure what's going on under the heat spreader? Do You?

Second water bubbles are bad, you need to get them completely out and it's mostly done by slowly rocking your system back and forth, (With the reservoir sealed of course), to get all the air out of the system, air is an insulator not a conductor , that's why air in your loop is very bad.

It appears you are running your CPU and GPU on the same loop, Is that correct?

It's a first for me hearing of anyone running one water cooled GPU and one air cooled GPU, personally I think that is a bad idea, you should have both either air cooled or water cooled? Especially overclocking! :pfff:

Do you have plans of changing that or leaving it that way?

Now the biggest problem I see all the time is fellow users attempting a high overclock of an Ivy Bridge or Haswell CPU, the hotter CPUs of the Intel choices, and add the GPUs heat to the loop! That's just flat out bad and not going to help you reach your overclocking goals!

You would never have delidded your CPU if you were not after high overclocks of it , but then you added heat to it from the GPU? Do you understand what I trying to get across to you?

The GPUs added heat idle and load, will seriously limit your CPU overclock! Period no ifs, ands, or buts, to it, and it happens all the time, simply because most are building their systems today on old information that covered CPUs that got no where near as hot as yours does!

So that part is not your fault!

I suggest running 2 independent cooling loops especially if you ever think you'll actually reach the 5ghz CPU overclock goal you have, and water cooling both GPUs not just one.

So what is your response?

 
For the record I run 2 independent water loops and right now my CPU idle temperature is 16.5c and the load temperature is 41.5c running chilled water cooling at a 5ghz overclock of my (Not Delidded) 3770K.

My GPU, a radiator water cooled GTX Titan idle temperature is 25c and it's load temperature is 34c with a 23c ambient room temperature.

I did not post these results to rub salt in the wound but for you to understand that a properly cooled system has significantly different temperature results.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2196038/air-cooling-water-cooling-things.html
 

jaytrinitron

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Another update: stock clock CPU idle temps hover around 40, barely cross 70 on load. Is this overclockable? I reapplied tim and coollaboratory liquid ultra.
GPU issue was partially fixed. While idle temp hovers around 30C and load barely crosses 50C (on the water cooled card of course), whenever I put the air cooled evga gtx 770 classified and the main evga gtx 770 classified hydro copper in sli, the setup works fine as long as I don't do anything graphics intensive. But if I launch Furmark, Heaven 4.0, or Valley, instant pc shut down and restart. I have contacted evga about it and am waiting for a response.