Question about Intel pentium g3258

woworwow · Jun 29, 2014

Hello guys i got a few questions about some questions about this new processor
1. Is it better than my i3- 2100?
2. Is it a good processor when not overclocked?

Thanks in advance

ImPrettyIrish · Jun 29, 2014

NO and NO.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/297/Intel_Core_i3_i3-2100_vs_Intel_Pentium_Dual-Core_G3258.html

Poll · Jun 29, 2014

Depends what you're doing, in applications that don't support hyper threading, the g3258 would blow the i3 out of the water when OC.

I'd guess the G3258 would fare a lot worse in threaded applications, however, and would probably be worse at multitasking.

For games cores 1 and 2 are highly important, so the G3258 would fare decently in most current games.

woworwow · Jun 29, 2014

Ok thanks for replying.
Anyway, can you reccomend a good processor and motherboard for less than 150 USD?

ImPrettyIrish · Jun 29, 2014

woworwow :

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JFDYrH

IInuyasha74 · Jun 29, 2014

You guys should look a little closer at the review of that chip. In several tests it beat a Haswell i3 while overclocked, and given the slower IPC, memory I/O, and other features of the Sandy Bridge i3 he is referring to when overclocked it could potentially beat the i3 in multitasking also.

However when it is not overclocked, it is fairly slow and only really suited for office work or a media center PC.

sirstinky · Jun 30, 2014

Yes, stock it's a wet noodle. However, ImPrettyIrish probably hasn't read accounts of people overclocking the $75 G3258 to 4.5 and 4.6 GHz. The i3's all cost upwards of $120 to $130, twice as much as the Pentium. Yes, they have Hyper Threading and work better in multithreaded tasks like games, but there's no substitute for pure operating frequency. At 4.6 GHz, the G3258 will beat the 2100 Sandy Bridge and the new Haswell or match it in most games with a proper card. Same with apps. So, yes, in some ways the i3 is better, but for half the price for essentially the same performance? I'd take the Pentium. The drawback is that you need (until ASUS or ASRock find a way to enable overclocking with H or B series chipsets) a Z97 board, which start at around $100.

IInuyasha74 · Jun 30, 2014

sirstinky :

Well the official release isn't till July 1st so he may not have gone looking for that information yet, but yea both Tomshardware and Anandtech have done reviews for it already. I get free products from Newegg to review and got a Gygabyte Sniper board to review and have one of these pre-ordered to do the testing with. I can't wait for it cause they can hit high clock speeds.

It takes a few hits on multi threading, but since most games are still using only a few CPU cores, it has 3MB L3, and it can easily hit 4.5Ghz for most its really all you need for gaming on any sub $200 graphics card. Not to mention it does better in memory based tests, faster cache speeds and everything.
Then on top of that the i3 doesn't support 3rd gen PCI-E, it only has PCI-E 2.0. With Haswell Intel enforced PCI-E 3.0 in all models, while previously they only put it in the i5 and up chips.

One other thing, ASUS has already been successful in allowing overclocking on all motherboards. Its suspected that Intle helped them do it to help boost sells of the overclockable Pentium. So now cheap decent boards around $60 can be used to overclock.
http://rog.asus.com/251652013/news/asus-bios-update-enables-h87-and-b85-overclocking-motherboards/

woworwow · Jun 30, 2014

I already have the i3 2100, i'm looking for an upgrade but i don't want to overclock because i once broke a 1st gen core i5 and i don't want to OC ever again.
My question is asking if the G3258 is better than my i3 when not over clocked because the i3 have hyper treading but the G3258 don't

IInuyasha74 · Jun 30, 2014

woworwow :

Oh okay, we were going very literally off your first post. When overclocked it should be better than the i3, but when not overclocked its worse by a fair margin.

If you already have an i3-2100 your best most cost effective solution is probably not to buy an AMD or an Intel LGA 1150 motherbaord and CPU. Since you have an LGA 1155 motherboard already, your best choice for upgrade is to go with something in the Ivy Bridge family.

If you only have $150 to spend and you try to upgrade your motherboard and CPU, you would end up spending no more than $100 on the CPU which would not get you a CPU which would perform faster on a significant level if it is faster at all. While for $150 you are still only getting small boosts for that amount of money, if you can go a little higher you can get a lot more performance.

Core i5-3470 $189.99 ($10 off at the moment)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115234

Xeon E3-1230 V2 $229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117286

The cheapest upgrade for you is the i5 listed above, after the extra $10 at moment it drops in at $179.99 which is still $30 more than you wanted to spend, however buying anything less would only have small boosts to your system and not really be worth upgrading for very little gain.

woworwow · Jun 30, 2014

Well although i would get a newer 4th gen processor, PC parts costs like hell in my country.
Let me put it this way, to get a r7 260x it costs about $200 and a reliable processor (CX 430) costs $95. And an GTX 210 is considered high performing GPU
So those processor you listed would be impossible for me to buy.
Any cheaper Ivy bridge processor? Pentium series maybe

IInuyasha74 · Jun 30, 2014

Not worth your time. The CPU you currently have is 3.1Ghz dual core with hyperthreading. I think the fastest Ivy Bridge i3 runs at 3.4Ghz. Ivy Bridge gets a small boost in how much work it gets done for ever .1Ghz so the difference would be probably similar to your current CPU if it was running at 3.5Ghz but it isn't a huge gain. I wouldn't consider it worth $150.

As for Pentium chips, none of them right now are worth considering for you. Except by overclocking the one above, no Pentium chip offers enough performance to warrant upgrading, so if you bought a 4th gen processor your performance would go down unless you got at least an i3 or higher. They aren't way higher either honestly, Ivy Bridge is only like 4% slower.

The only reason I would think you might want to upgrade to an Ivy Bridge i3 right now given what has been said, is only if you are using an Nvidia GT 210 graphics card or similar. In that case, the built in graphics in some of the Ivy Bridge i3 CPUs is faster and would give you a boost in gaming as well as CPU power making it a better deal.

woworwow · Jun 30, 2014

No i am not using the GT 210. That pathetic little card.
What about PCI-e 3.0 Support?
Ivy bridge supports it is this feature worth the upgrade or should i just wait until PCI-e 4 comes out (i don't know when) and buy a new pc

IInuyasha74 · Jun 30, 2014

Yea that thing is pretty weak for today. Ivy Bridge has Intel HD 4000 graphics built into some of their CPUs and I have used that some, like now for example cause my graphics card I had to send in for repairs, and its like 5 times faster than a GT 210, which makes it not so bad. So I couldn't imagine using a GT 210.

For the PCI-E 3.0 and 4.0, well its all kinda unimportant in truth. There is a lot of debate before if PCI-E 3.0 was really needed. What it comes down to is your graphics card. I don't think that you see any difference between PCI-E 3.0 and PCI-E 2.0 until you get past Nvidia GTX 650 ti or AMD Radeon 7770. Then PCI-E 3.0 helps. PCI-E 4.0 might help with the ultra high end cards like the dual GPU cards, but anything less probably wouldn't see any improvement.

Also for Ivy Bridge, PCI-E 3.0 is supported but only with Core i5 and up. Core i3 and the Pentium chips don't get PCI-E 3.0 support. Even if they did you would need a motherboard that supports it and you are probably using a Series 6 chipset which doesn't.

woworwow · Jun 30, 2014

OK thanks
By the way my GPU is a second hand ASUS ARES. I bought it from a local PC Magazine, they only used it for benchmarking and review.

IInuyasha74 · Jun 30, 2014

Pretty good card. I myself normally use a Sapphire AMD Radeon 7850. Thing runs pretty fast so I don't feel any need to change it out for quite some time. I'm sure you feel the same with that thing.

A CPU upgrade probably would help you get more out of it, but it just doesn't seem you have any good choices right now. Try to maybe stop some extra programs in the back ground while gaming, that might help free up a little performance and just make do for now. Give it a year or so and you should be able to get a fast Ivy Bridge for not too much.

woworwow · Jun 30, 2014

Yeah this Pc can run most my games and i'm quite happy with it.
And i have a 10 GB ram so i think the only thing that's holding me back is the CPU and Hard drive (It's a normal HDD not SSD not hybrid)

IInuyasha74 · Jun 30, 2014

Yea that can be a hard one to figure out which is the problem. I was talking to my brother about this last night. He has an AMD Radeon 7850 also, and he has an i3-3225 3.3Ghz CPU, 8GB RAM, and a regular 7200RPM hard drive.

We used MSI Afterburner to monitor it while he played Skyrim with like 100 mods enabled and couldn't figure it out. At times he would get down to 35FPS but the GPU was only at like 90% usage, and the CPU was only around 70%. The temps were all fine. I would of thought it was the hard drive, but he wasn't loading in any new areas. It didn't really make sense.

woworwow · Jun 30, 2014

That's why magnetic HDD is going to die . They have been around for a long time and. They're great and all but since the ssd becomes famous HDD is now looks really slow.
I think soon SSD will be as cheap as HDD and will have bigger capacities
While on the topic, is a pci-e SSD faster than SATA SSD?

IInuyasha74 · Jun 30, 2014

I doubt that HDDs will die. SSDs are a lot better but they are a lot more expensive also. The companies that make the SSD chips also make RAM and they have been producing the chips as fast as possible and still the price is set by supply and demand. Theoretically they are cheaper to produce, the components and materials cost less, but because they can't produce enough of them the price is high. They also can't get them to hold as much storage space yet.

The HDD companies are kinda saved by the machinery they use. It can't be used to many any other computer parts at all. Otherwise they would use it to make SSDs, but until they manage to make them a lot faster HDDs won't go away, and even then large 6TB HDDs will probably stay in use.

I think, I might be wrong, but the PCI-E SSD drivers are actually slower. However, I think I heard that mSATA and the new type of storage connection Intel just released are faster than SATA. I'm not the best person to ask on that, I see the SATA as fast enough so I haven't read up on the other much. Would be good for another thread in the Storage forum.

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