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June 29, 2014 3:08:47 AM

Hi toms hardware members, i am looking for experienced individuals opinions on my build. There is only one computer part shop i know of in QLD, Australia that i have access to which is called Umart. If there are any cheaper alternatives please let me know. I will be linking the components i refer to in my thread. I would just like to mention that I have no intention of overclocking. The games that i intend to play are mainly League of Legends, Simcity 4, MMo's, and Minecraft. I would also like to be able to stream. My main goal is to have these games run completely smooth at the highest settings.

CPU
I have looked around and believe an intel i5-4690 seems to be a good processor. It costs $242 which seems a lot, it has good reviews, however i have been told that it is overkill for what i need. Is this true? Is there a cheaper alternative that will run everything fine?

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

Motherboard
The 4670 runs in a 1150 socket. I am not overly sure what motherboard to get. However i do not need any overclocking capabilities at all. So i chose the MSI G43 Gaming motherboard, it seems to have high quality components from what i read. Yet again any reccomendations on if it is worth the money, or if i should settle for a cheaper one.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

Graphics Card
Overall i have found that the R9 270 and GTX 750/ti seem to be the best cards within my budget. I would like to know if these cards can run the aforementioned games at a smooth fps, i believe 60 is the optimal fps? Is the R9 270 worth the price difference? Below are 3 cards i selected. Please mention if there are any better cards for a similar price.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...
http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...
http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...

SSD
For the SSD i have chosen the cheapest with the best reviews/feedback. I got the $88 Samsung 120GB, which is a good price from what i hear. If there are any cheaper for similar performance please let me know.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

RAM
I got a dual channel 8GB at 1.5v for $99. Is this a good price range for what i am getting? Is this product good?

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

OS
Simply windows 8, i have read and pro seems to be non relevant to gaming.

My Case and PSU are already dealt with. Case support Micro-ATX and ATX.

Concluding my thread i would like any informational feedback i can get from anyone experienced in computer parts. If someone could also please confirm whether all of these parts are compatible would be helpful as i'm inexperienced and would like someone experienced's approval. All help is greatly appreciated.

Scubaducki


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June 29, 2014 3:27:17 AM

Try and look around for prices. Try PartPicker Aust
In Vic we have PCCG, MSY and CPL as well.

i5 4670 or http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... 4690 $249

B85 G43 or http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... H97 $109

The R9 270 is better than the gtx 750ti

In a $900AUD build, I wouldn't try for a SSD. I'd put the money towards eg a better graphics card
eg http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... R9 280 - $299

RAM - 2x 4gb 1600 $99. Try http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... 2 x 4gb 1866 $105
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June 29, 2014 3:53:04 AM

The 4690 is cheaper than the 4670... although it has better specs, is there a reason for that?
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June 29, 2014 4:01:27 AM

It might be $10 cheaper. But online Umart is still $249 for 4670 - same as PCCG's 4690.

The 4690 is supposed to replace the 4670.
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June 29, 2014 4:10:47 AM

Alright this seems convincing enough for me to choose the 4690 over the 4670. On Umart the 4690 goes for $242 which is slightly cheaper. Thankyou for the assistance with the CPU, although i am not sure why there is a processor with lower close for a higher price...

I've heard that SSD's are significantly better than HDD's. Thats why i decided to get an SSD. Would i be benefitting more from buying a cheaper HDD and getting the graphics card you suggested?
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June 29, 2014 4:14:28 AM

Get a good HDD - Barracuda or WD. 1TB at least. Do what you can within your budget. SSDs are nice for quick start up times.

You can get a quick comparison of card performance and (US) pricing from - http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
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June 29, 2014 4:31:29 AM

I've taken a quick look at pricing and the r9 280 will cost a good $100 more than the R9 270X. If you know, would the R9 270x card be able to handle the games i specified at ultra w/60fps stable?
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June 29, 2014 4:35:54 AM

There weren't any real challenging games in your list. So a R9 270x would be fine for them. Get a Sapphire - best Radeon brand.
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June 29, 2014 4:44:09 AM

I'm in QLD too. Umart usually works out the cheapest, as you won't be paying shipping, although their stock fluctuates so they don't always have the greatest selection of parts. They've recently opened a few more stores though, so they might start holding more of each item in stock.

www.pccasegear.com will sometimes have cheaper prices, but the shipping can kill it. If your ordering quite a few parts, or you want a specific part, it can sometimes work out cheaper so it's worth checking. Always check their clearance section, occasionally they can have pretty nice sales on GPU's and stuff here. I got an awesome deal on my mobo from PCCG that worked out about $40 cheaper, with shipping, than Umart.

www.mwave.com.au is also worth checking. They can be comparable in price to PCCG, but shipping is cheaper on small items.

Also www.i-tech.com.au and www.pcmeal.com.au but I haven't bought stuff from these guys.

Update: Wrote this and forgot to click answer before dinner, looks like my contribution is pretty useless now.
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June 29, 2014 4:46:26 AM

Alright, i'm just wondering but is it worth getting the 4GB over 2GB sapphire card? The difference is $30.

Also i see it a lot, but do i need to buy a cpu cooler or are the stock coolers fine?

On a seperate note, thank you, you've been really helpful to me in cutting down costs and getting better parts. I really appreciate it.

(And thank you for the shopping tips byza)
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June 29, 2014 7:23:05 PM

Bump

if anyone can confirm compatibility I would appreciate it.

also whether I can stream these games at HQ?
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June 29, 2014 7:29:20 PM

If you aren't going to overclock, stock coolers are fine.

If you want to run 2 x 1080p or 1 x 1440p monitor then 4gb is worth getting.

League of Legends, Simcity 4, MMo's, and Minecraft are not demanding games. You should be fine.
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June 29, 2014 7:47:20 PM

Just to confirm when you say I'm fine, do you mean I will be able to stream these games? Also do you mean they're compatible parts?
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June 29, 2014 7:49:08 PM

You'll be able to play and stream those games.

You need to finalise the build and post it for review.
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June 29, 2014 8:00:05 PM

Here is my finalised build ready for review.

CPU
i5-4690

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

Motherboard
MSI G43 Gaming motherboard.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

Graphics Card
R9 270x Sapphire Radeon, may get 4G as i might consider two screens at some point.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...

SSD
$88 Samsung 120GB

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

RAM
dual channel 8GB at 1.5v.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

PSU
Seasonic M12II

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...

OS
Windows 8 64-bit $112

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

Wifi Card
Don't need at this moment...
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June 29, 2014 8:03:46 PM

They are all OK. But you'll need a case, OS and power supply. You need to check if the 270x will fit in the case.

I gather you got monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers. Need a wifi card?
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June 29, 2014 8:09:35 PM

I have already got the case and psu, my bad i should've mentioned what it was... It is a Thermaltake V4 mid tower with 500W PSU

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

I have monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers settled. I have checked and believe that the 270x will fit with an extra 10cm space give or take.

In fact i do need a wifi card! Thank you for pointing that out, any reccomendations?

Actually there is only one card available at Umart... it is the
Skymaster Express Card Gigalan a for $30

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

Is this card going to work well?
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June 29, 2014 8:26:47 PM

I just noticed as i read through but that card doesn't support windows 8 if i am correct?

When you say the PSU is bad quality, what do you mean by that? Will it not support my PC's power needs?

Sorry i gave you the wrong case... it was actually a Versa I

Those are the PSU Specs
PSU - 500W ATX 12V
- 120mm fan x 1
- 24P, CPU+12V 4+4Pin, PATA x 5, FDD x 1, PCI-E 6Pin, SATA x 3
- 115V / 230V

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June 29, 2014 8:52:49 PM

Which card?

So what does it hold the 12V line within? Does it have overcurrent protection? Is it 80plus certified?
How many 12V rails?

PATA or SATA?

Without a make and model number, I wouldn't endorse it.

For a quality power supply see http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-su...
For a pc with a R9 270x in it you need a good quality 500W + power supply eg
Seasonic 520 - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $119
or
Antec HCG 520M - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $99

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June 29, 2014 9:19:09 PM

The model number is TT-500NL2NL < I can't find anything online about it


The card was the Asus N15 and the one linked, they both don't have win8 on their compatibility list.
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June 29, 2014 9:37:29 PM

It's not a single rail 12V for a start. And its not listed in http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-su...
They use junk psu's in cases. I wouldn't go near it. On a hot day 2 years down the track, you're just making headway on BF4 when bang goes the psu and next thing you're looking for the fire extinguisher.

You choice. Hope I've painted a good picture.
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June 29, 2014 10:11:06 PM

Yes it will handle most current mid level gpus eg up to gtx760. The 8 series gtx are supposed to be lower power consumption.
If you got a Seasonic 620 you could power any gpu eg gtx 780ti.

If you stick with the r9 270x, the seasonic 520 will handle it with ease.
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June 29, 2014 10:23:29 PM

Thank you very much for all the help, you definitely receive the solution for my thread. I plan to stick with this build.

CPU
i5-4690

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

Motherboard
MSI G43 Gaming motherboard.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

Graphics Card
R9 270x Sapphire Radeon

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...

SSD
$88 Samsung 120GB

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

RAM
dual channel 8GB at 1.5v.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

PSU
Seasonic M12II

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...

Case
Thermaltake Versa I (Already Purchased)

OS
Windows 8 64-bit $112

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

Total Cost: $1022 (Over what i wanted but I am fine with it if the PSU will provide safety.)

Again thanks for the help, i appreciate it. ^_^
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June 29, 2014 10:24:52 PM

No worries. Good luck with it.
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June 30, 2014 3:53:57 AM

It's definitely worth getting an aftermarket PSU, it'll save you from having an expensive brick. It might not be a fire, but a surge or any variation in voltage can overload a component.

If you think you might add a second 270x later, it might be worth getting a 750w. This psu is about $20 more expensive than the M12II 520W but is more efficient, so you'll get your money back through your power bill eventually. Jonnyguru gives it a pretty good review too.

SilverStone ST75F-P 750W Power Supply, 80Plus Silver AU$139
http://umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?i...

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
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June 30, 2014 4:25:24 AM

i7Baby said:
You can find it in Tier 3 of http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-su...

Seasonic M12II is in Tier 1


The seasonic is definitely a better quality PSU, no doubt about it. I was just trying to offer a budget upgrade path.

If he's pushing to get the initial capital to go higher than a 520w PSU now, then chances are things won't be much different if he wants add a second GPU in 12 months, and needing to get a new PSU and GPU just makes the barrier even higher.

I have the Silverstone myself, and i've yet to have any problems, but if i could have afforded a 750w Seasonic when i built my rig i would have gotten one. I did a ton of research on this PSU before buying it myself, which is why I feel comfortable recommending it.

Also he's not exaclty going for a high end build, his CPU isn't even unlocked, so while a tier 1 PSU is always nice, they are really only necessary for serious overclocking.

Update: Sorry if you're a girl ScubaDucki, just add an 's' to the front of all the "he's" if that is the case.
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June 30, 2014 5:01:15 AM

Thanks for the recommendations. firstly yes the processor is locked, I chose this purposely to save money as I have no experience in over clocking. I'm unsure on the psu, both of you male valid points. Considering I could save money in the future for 20 dollars more the Silverstone seems good. I don't feel I will oc in the future... I can't decide which to aim for just yet, but thanks for all of the help guys.

also what specs are you running on byza?

note: I am male
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June 30, 2014 6:33:34 AM

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (4.5ghz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI Z77A-GD80
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB WINDFORCE
Case: NZXT Phantom 630 Windowed Black ATX Full Tower Case
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Plus 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
Optical Drive: Samsung SATA Black Internal DVD/RW Drive
Case Fan:NZXT FZ-200mm Blue LED 103.0 CFM 200mm
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Home (OEM) (64-bit)
Keyboard: Gigabyte GK-OSMIUM Mechanical Wired Gaming Keyboard - Cherry Red
Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse 2014
http://i.imgur.com/UXU5BPN.jpg
White internal LEDs and blue bitfenix cables to bling it up. Hoping to add a second 770, then a larger PSU will be on the list after that.
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June 30, 2014 6:55:35 AM

If your not sure about the Silverstone, stick with the Seasonic. It's more important to be happy with the build you have now, then the build you might have later, otherwise you'll just feel unsatisfied.
Also if your thinking of adding a second screen or moving to a higher res screen than your going to need more vram than the 270x's provide, in which case you'll need a higher calibre card, rather than a second 270x.
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June 30, 2014 7:14:27 AM

There is the exact card with 4G which I may get depending on my financial situation. I still have plenty of time so I will think on the PSU for a bit. Thanks for the help ^_^
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July 30, 2014 5:53:32 AM

Most likely ordering all of my parts next week. World of Tanks, i would like to know if it can be run at ultra with 60 fps. I may have spare money and am wondering if getting a R9 280 will make a SIGNIFICANT difference. Please would someone knowledgeable reply, your help is greatly appreciated! ALSO, quite important, will the SeaSonic M12II 520W be able to hand one of the below R9 280's?


The ASUS card is $16 less, but i hear that Sapphire make the best.

Here are the cards.

http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/products_review.phtm...

http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.pht...



CPU
i5-4690 ALREADY PURCHASED

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

Motherboard
MSI G43 Gaming motherboard.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

Graphics Card
R9 270x Sapphire Radeon

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...

IF RECCOMENDED
Sapphire R9 280

http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/products_review.phtm...

SSD
$88 Samsung 120GB

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

RAM
Kingmax 8G Dual channel

http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.pht...

PSU
Seasonic M12II

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...

Case
Thermaltake Versa I ALREADY PURCHASED

OS
Windows 8 64-bit $112 ALREADY PURCHASED
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July 30, 2014 7:59:18 PM

and yes the seasonic would handle a 280.
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July 30, 2014 9:02:05 PM

So in the end, would the 4 fps difference be worth it? Or will the 270 be good enough for world of tanks?
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July 30, 2014 9:05:48 PM

None of the games you play are particularly demanding so i'd stick with the 270x.
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July 30, 2014 9:07:48 PM

Thanks a lot for all of the help!
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