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Building first gaming PC, need advice. ($900 cap)

Hi toms hardware members, i am looking for experienced individuals opinions on my build. There is only one computer part shop i know of in QLD, Australia that i have access to which is called Umart. If there are any cheaper alternatives please let me know. I will be linking the components i refer to in my thread. I would just like to mention that I have no intention of overclocking. The games that i intend to play are mainly League of Legends, Simcity 4, MMo's, and Minecraft. I would also like to be able to stream. My main goal is to have these games run completely smooth at the highest settings.

CPU
I have looked around and believe an intel i5-4690 seems to be a good processor. It costs $242 which seems a lot, it has good reviews, however i have been told that it is overkill for what i need. Is this true? Is there a cheaper alternative that will run everything fine?

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=13&bid=4&sid=134428

Motherboard
The 4670 runs in a 1150 socket. I am not overly sure what motherboard to get. However i do not need any overclocking capabilities at all. So i chose the MSI G43 Gaming motherboard, it seems to have high quality components from what i read. Yet again any reccomendations on if it is worth the money, or if i should settle for a cheaper one.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=376&bid=4&sid=139088

Graphics Card
Overall i have found that the R9 270 and GTX 750/ti seem to be the best cards within my budget. I would like to know if these cards can run the aforementioned games at a smooth fps, i believe 60 is the optimal fps? Is the R9 270 worth the price difference? Below are 3 cards i selected. Please mention if there are any better cards for a similar price.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10&bid=4&id2=248&sid=141286
http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10&bid=4&id2=247&sid=189249
http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10&bid=4&id2=247&sid=163878

SSD
For the SSD i have chosen the cheapest with the best reviews/feedback. I got the $88 Samsung 120GB, which is a good price from what i hear. If there are any cheaper for similar performance please let me know.

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=159&bid=2&sid=138029

RAM
I got a dual channel 8GB at 1.5v for $99. Is this a good price range for what i am getting? Is this product good?

http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=153&bid=4&sid=106269

OS
Simply windows 8, i have read and pro seems to be non relevant to gaming.

My Case and PSU are already dealt with. Case support Micro-ATX and ATX.

Concluding my thread i would like any informational feedback i can get from anyone experienced in computer parts. If someone could also please confirm whether all of these parts are compatible would be helpful as i'm inexperienced and would like someone experienced's approval. All help is greatly appreciated.

Scubaducki
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  1. Try and look around for prices. Try PartPicker Aust
    In Vic we have PCCG, MSY and CPL as well.

    i5 4670 or http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=187_1490&products_id=27550 4690 $249

    B85 G43 or http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1491&products_id=27569 H97 $109

    The R9 270 is better than the gtx 750ti

    In a $900AUD build, I wouldn't try for a SSD. I'd put the money towards eg a better graphics card
    eg http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=193_1642&products_id=27653 R9 280 - $299

    RAM - 2x 4gb 1600 $99. Try http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=186_912&products_id=18602 2 x 4gb 1866 $105
  2. The 4690 is cheaper than the 4670... although it has better specs, is there a reason for that?
  3. It might be $10 cheaper. But online Umart is still $249 for 4670 - same as PCCG's 4690.

    The 4690 is supposed to replace the 4670.
  4. Alright this seems convincing enough for me to choose the 4690 over the 4670. On Umart the 4690 goes for $242 which is slightly cheaper. Thankyou for the assistance with the CPU, although i am not sure why there is a processor with lower close for a higher price...

    I've heard that SSD's are significantly better than HDD's. Thats why i decided to get an SSD. Would i be benefitting more from buying a cheaper HDD and getting the graphics card you suggested?
  5. Get a good HDD - Barracuda or WD. 1TB at least. Do what you can within your budget. SSDs are nice for quick start up times.

    You can get a quick comparison of card performance and (US) pricing from - http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
  6. I've taken a quick look at pricing and the r9 280 will cost a good $100 more than the R9 270X. If you know, would the R9 270x card be able to handle the games i specified at ultra w/60fps stable?
  7. There weren't any real challenging games in your list. So a R9 270x would be fine for them. Get a Sapphire - best Radeon brand.
  8. I'm in QLD too. Umart usually works out the cheapest, as you won't be paying shipping, although their stock fluctuates so they don't always have the greatest selection of parts. They've recently opened a few more stores though, so they might start holding more of each item in stock.

    www.pccasegear.com will sometimes have cheaper prices, but the shipping can kill it. If your ordering quite a few parts, or you want a specific part, it can sometimes work out cheaper so it's worth checking. Always check their clearance section, occasionally they can have pretty nice sales on GPU's and stuff here. I got an awesome deal on my mobo from PCCG that worked out about $40 cheaper, with shipping, than Umart.

    www.mwave.com.au is also worth checking. They can be comparable in price to PCCG, but shipping is cheaper on small items.

    Also www.i-tech.com.au and www.pcmeal.com.au but I haven't bought stuff from these guys.

    Update: Wrote this and forgot to click answer before dinner, looks like my contribution is pretty useless now.
  9. Alright, i'm just wondering but is it worth getting the 4GB over 2GB sapphire card? The difference is $30.

    Also i see it a lot, but do i need to buy a cpu cooler or are the stock coolers fine?

    On a seperate note, thank you, you've been really helpful to me in cutting down costs and getting better parts. I really appreciate it.

    (And thank you for the shopping tips byza)
  10. Bump

    if anyone can confirm compatibility I would appreciate it.

    also whether I can stream these games at HQ?
  11. If you aren't going to overclock, stock coolers are fine.

    If you want to run 2 x 1080p or 1 x 1440p monitor then 4gb is worth getting.

    League of Legends, Simcity 4, MMo's, and Minecraft are not demanding games. You should be fine.
  12. Just to confirm when you say I'm fine, do you mean I will be able to stream these games? Also do you mean they're compatible parts?
  13. You'll be able to play and stream those games.

    You need to finalise the build and post it for review.
  14. They are all OK. But you'll need a case, OS and power supply. You need to check if the 270x will fit in the case.

    I gather you got monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers. Need a wifi card?
  15. I have already got the case and psu, my bad i should've mentioned what it was... It is a Thermaltake V4 mid tower with 500W PSU

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=216&bid=4&sid=95716

    I have monitor, keyboard, mouse and speakers settled. I have checked and believe that the 270x will fit with an extra 10cm space give or take.

    In fact i do need a wifi card! Thank you for pointing that out, any reccomendations?

    Actually there is only one card available at Umart... it is the
    Skymaster Express Card Gigalan a for $30

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id2=280&bid=4&sid=50593

    Is this card going to work well?
  16. I would advise against using any power supply that comes with a case. They are all bad quality.

    Wifi card - An Asus N15 is OK ($35) or http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=200_328&products_id=17622 TP Link
  17. I just noticed as i read through but that card doesn't support windows 8 if i am correct?

    When you say the PSU is bad quality, what do you mean by that? Will it not support my PC's power needs?

    Sorry i gave you the wrong case... it was actually a Versa I

    Those are the PSU Specs
    PSU - 500W ATX 12V
    - 120mm fan x 1
    - 24P, CPU+12V 4+4Pin, PATA x 5, FDD x 1, PCI-E 6Pin, SATA x 3
    - 115V / 230V
  18. Which card?

    So what does it hold the 12V line within? Does it have overcurrent protection? Is it 80plus certified?
    How many 12V rails?

    PATA or SATA?

    Without a make and model number, I wouldn't endorse it.

    For a quality power supply see http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html
    For a pc with a R9 270x in it you need a good quality 500W + power supply eg
    Seasonic 520 - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_972&products_id=15957 $119
    or
    Antec HCG 520M - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_226&products_id=19762 $99
  19. The model number is TT-500NL2NL < I can't find anything online about it


    The card was the Asus N15 and the one linked, they both don't have win8 on their compatibility list.
  20. It's not a single rail 12V for a start. And its not listed in http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html
    They use junk psu's in cases. I wouldn't go near it. On a hot day 2 years down the track, you're just making headway on BF4 when bang goes the psu and next thing you're looking for the fire extinguisher.

    You choice. Hope I've painted a good picture.
  21. From your recommendation i see it is imperative to get an aftermarket PSU...

    I will definitely go for a Seasonic 520 (http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10&bid=4&id2=140&sid=59248 the one you recommended). Will this PSU be good for several years then? Also is the 520W enough for my system?
  22. Best answer
    Yes it will handle most current mid level gpus eg up to gtx760. The 8 series gtx are supposed to be lower power consumption.
    If you got a Seasonic 620 you could power any gpu eg gtx 780ti.

    If you stick with the r9 270x, the seasonic 520 will handle it with ease.
  23. Thank you very much for all the help, you definitely receive the solution for my thread. I plan to stick with this build.

    CPU
    i5-4690

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

    Motherboard
    MSI G43 Gaming motherboard.

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

    Graphics Card
    R9 270x Sapphire Radeon

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...

    SSD
    $88 Samsung 120GB

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

    RAM
    dual channel 8GB at 1.5v.

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

    PSU
    Seasonic M12II

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...

    Case
    Thermaltake Versa I (Already Purchased)

    OS
    Windows 8 64-bit $112

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

    Total Cost: $1022 (Over what i wanted but I am fine with it if the PSU will provide safety.)

    Again thanks for the help, i appreciate it. ^_^
  24. No worries. Good luck with it.
  25. It's definitely worth getting an aftermarket PSU, it'll save you from having an expensive brick. It might not be a fire, but a surge or any variation in voltage can overload a component.

    If you think you might add a second 270x later, it might be worth getting a 750w. This psu is about $20 more expensive than the M12II 520W but is more efficient, so you'll get your money back through your power bill eventually. Jonnyguru gives it a pretty good review too.

    SilverStone ST75F-P 750W Power Supply, 80Plus Silver AU$139
    http://umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10&id2=140&bid=4&sid=65955

    http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story5&reid=183
  26. i7Baby said:
    You can find it in Tier 3 of http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-supply-unit-tier-list.html

    Seasonic M12II is in Tier 1


    The seasonic is definitely a better quality PSU, no doubt about it. I was just trying to offer a budget upgrade path.

    If he's pushing to get the initial capital to go higher than a 520w PSU now, then chances are things won't be much different if he wants add a second GPU in 12 months, and needing to get a new PSU and GPU just makes the barrier even higher.

    I have the Silverstone myself, and i've yet to have any problems, but if i could have afforded a 750w Seasonic when i built my rig i would have gotten one. I did a ton of research on this PSU before buying it myself, which is why I feel comfortable recommending it.

    Also he's not exaclty going for a high end build, his CPU isn't even unlocked, so while a tier 1 PSU is always nice, they are really only necessary for serious overclocking.

    Update: Sorry if you're a girl ScubaDucki, just add an 's' to the front of all the "he's" if that is the case.
  27. Thanks for the recommendations. firstly yes the processor is locked, I chose this purposely to save money as I have no experience in over clocking. I'm unsure on the psu, both of you male valid points. Considering I could save money in the future for 20 dollars more the Silverstone seems good. I don't feel I will oc in the future... I can't decide which to aim for just yet, but thanks for all of the help guys.

    also what specs are you running on byza?

    note: I am male
  28. CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (4.5ghz)
    CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler
    Motherboard: MSI Z77A-GD80
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
    Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk
    Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
    Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB WINDFORCE
    Case: NZXT Phantom 630 Windowed Black ATX Full Tower Case
    Power Supply: Silverstone Strider Plus 750W 80 PLUS Silver Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply
    Optical Drive: Samsung SATA Black Internal DVD/RW Drive
    Case Fan:NZXT FZ-200mm Blue LED 103.0 CFM 200mm
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8 Home (OEM) (64-bit)
    Keyboard: Gigabyte GK-OSMIUM Mechanical Wired Gaming Keyboard - Cherry Red
    Mouse: Razer DeathAdder Wired Optical Mouse 2014
    http://i.imgur.com/UXU5BPN.jpg
    White internal LEDs and blue bitfenix cables to bling it up. Hoping to add a second 770, then a larger PSU will be on the list after that.
  29. If your not sure about the Silverstone, stick with the Seasonic. It's more important to be happy with the build you have now, then the build you might have later, otherwise you'll just feel unsatisfied.
    Also if your thinking of adding a second screen or moving to a higher res screen than your going to need more vram than the 270x's provide, in which case you'll need a higher calibre card, rather than a second 270x.
  30. There is the exact card with 4G which I may get depending on my financial situation. I still have plenty of time so I will think on the PSU for a bit. Thanks for the help ^_^
  31. Most likely ordering all of my parts next week. World of Tanks, i would like to know if it can be run at ultra with 60 fps. I may have spare money and am wondering if getting a R9 280 will make a SIGNIFICANT difference. Please would someone knowledgeable reply, your help is greatly appreciated! ALSO, quite important, will the SeaSonic M12II 520W be able to hand one of the below R9 280's?


    The ASUS card is $16 less, but i hear that Sapphire make the best.

    Here are the cards.

    http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10&bid=4&id2=248&sid=186126

    http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10&id2=248&bid=4&sid=48760


    CPU
    i5-4690 ALREADY PURCHASED

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

    Motherboard
    MSI G43 Gaming motherboard.

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

    Graphics Card
    R9 270x Sapphire Radeon

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...

    IF RECCOMENDED
    Sapphire R9 280

    http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10&bid=4&id2=248&sid=186126

    SSD
    $88 Samsung 120GB

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=1...

    RAM
    Kingmax 8G Dual channel

    http://www.umart.com.au/umart1/pro/Products-details.phtml?id=10&id2=153&bid=4&sid=131419

    PSU
    Seasonic M12II

    http://www.umart.com.au/pro/products_review.phtml?id=10...

    Case
    Thermaltake Versa I ALREADY PURCHASED

    OS
    Windows 8 64-bit $112 ALREADY PURCHASED
  32. Bump
  33. and yes the seasonic would handle a 280.
  34. So in the end, would the 4 fps difference be worth it? Or will the 270 be good enough for world of tanks?
  35. None of the games you play are particularly demanding so i'd stick with the 270x.
  36. Thanks a lot for all of the help!
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