3770k and MSI Z77A-G45

clueless77

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So I've been fixed overclocking this delidded 3770k on a MSI Z77A-G45 motherboard and tweaking with the settings, but I was hoping that I could get some advice. I went from factory settings straight to 4.5 @ 1.2 v and stressed it with Prime for 9 hours without any errors, the hottest core consistently averaged around 53 C in 83-84 degree ambient temps. The problem was that I couldn't overclock past 4.5 without getting barraged with assorted BSOD's after booting into Windows at voltages all the way up to 1.38, let alone use Prime. I figured even if I could stabilize it at 1.4 that an extra 100 mhz isn't worth a 17% increase in voltage being applied to the CPU, so I just accepted that 4.5 was this chip's wall.

Well, I guess my motherboard's bios wasn't exactly up to date despite having just updated it with Live Update 6 the day before, and after checking the settings in the bios for any options that weren't previously included after the flash had set the board to default I noticed that unlike before I could modify the long and short duration power limits with Turbo Boost disabled. I then set the limit to 200w for both, set the CPU to 4.6, CPU core voltage to 1.20 and I was actually able to boot into Windows without BSOD's and could run Prime, so naturally I upped my CPU to 4.8 at 1.35, got a BSOD and had to reset to default. It was then that I noticed that being able to modify the power limits with Boost disabled was a fluke and that I was back to square one at 4.5 without being able to modify these settings, so I started overclocking the CPU multiplier with Boost enabled while leaving the max boost multipliers at 3.9, and could get past that 4.5 wall again.

Does anything seem off about this to anyone? Can setting my bios like this conflict with other settings or even give me false readings at clock speed and voltage in CPUID or HWINFO64? I noticed that in both of these programs that the voltage readings are usually about .03 off from what I have my max voltage set to during Prime, e.g. 1.22 instead of 1.25. My performance monitor in the task manager is also reading like 6 GHZ speeds for 4.6 GHZ max speeds during Prime. Should the any of these discrepancies, and probably not so much the latter, be considered accurate or an issue? If so, I can certainly see why even now I'm experiencing some difficulties stabilizing at 4.7, and I don't think I'm going to be able to stabilize 4.8 unless I'm at 1.40 or above, which is something I don't really want to do. I mean, I'm good with even 4.5 but it'd be nice to get a stable overclock at 4.7 with a reasonable voltage.

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Oh, and the multiplier and core voltage are at auto because I'm at default with these two right now trying to figure this out, all the other settings are what I've been using. If it matters, I'm running Windows 8.1 with a 750W PSU, and since I haven't got a dedicated GPU yet I'm using the integrated graphics at stock on my processor.
 
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I would recommend that if you are OCing in bios to uninstall the Control Center as it can sometimes mess with your voltage when windows loads. I would also recommend that you disable EIST and Turbo and then set your multi at 46. I usually disable that when I am Overclocking and keep it at a constant speed.

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Bump. Nobody has any insight into this? I'm stable at 4.6 and 1.25 v now, but isn't it strange that I can only go past 4.5 with the CPU multiplier only with Turbo Boost enabled despite not actually using it? And what's with the undervoltage being read with all these programs, even MSI Control Center? It was reading like 1.21 or 1.22 with CPUID, HWINFO and Control Center at full load, but it still slightly varied between programs. Would changing my vdroop offset control to a percentage other than 100% have a positive impact? Because if I'm really being undervolted, I can probably clock a little higher in speed and voltage and get stable.
 

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I would recommend that if you are OCing in bios to uninstall the Control Center as it can sometimes mess with your voltage when windows loads. I would also recommend that you disable EIST and Turbo and then set your multi at 46. I usually disable that when I am Overclocking and keep it at a constant speed.
 
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clueless77

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Yeah, Control Center isn't really for good for anything anyway as I use my bios to configure everything to begin with, so I might try that. The problem is that if EIST and Turbo Boost are disabled I don't have the ability to overclock past 4.5 ghz without BSOD, and I'm pretty sure that for some odd reason it has something to do with not being able to customize the long and short duration power limits when these two are disabled. I can even boot into Windows at 4.7, but haven't managed to stabilize it yet and possibly because I'm being undervolted.
 

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So check it, you were right! I was messing around with CC because I never overclocked from it, and by increasing the voltage setting from auto despite having already set the voltage in Click Bios which is coupled into the CC interface, it gave me a rating much closer to the set voltage, yet I couldn't increase the CPU multiplier from inside CC without it staying at the default 3.5 even if set it to 4.7. So I uninstalled CC, and set the CPU multiplier to 4.8 and voltage to 1.35 from the boot bios (a first) rather than Click Bios in the OS and I'm able to boot into OS (another first) and the voltage reading is 1.328 at I guess this is pretty much idle compared to 1.22 or so volts before even at like a set 1.40 volts. Now it's just a matter of seeing if I can stabilize here and then hopefully at a lower voltage, so much for a wall! I guess these settings and programs really did conflict with each other, I would have assumed Click Bios would have overridden CC settings, especially when the 'adjust cpu from OS or whatever' is disabled in the bios. Oh, and EIST and Turbo Boost are disabled.

Thanks!