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Will Phenom II X6 1090T bottleneck gtx 770 and how to over clock

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June 30, 2014 6:32:11 PM

well few weeks ago i got gtx 770 and i have a good system now but i can't get 40 fps in any game and i'm really pissed off i wonder if someone could help me.

Specs:
CPU: Phenom II X6 1090T
GPU: GTX 770 4gb gainward
RAM: 8GB 1866MHz
SSD: 120 GB evo
HDD: 2x260GB 1x 2TB
Mobo: asus M5A99FX pro
power supply: cx600m crosair

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July 3, 2014 12:22:08 PM

I'm not sure, but i think it will.

For a GTX 770 you'll need at least, from AMD, a FX-6350 or FX-8320. From Intel, at least an i5-4570.
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July 3, 2014 12:29:10 PM

That IS a hexacore CPU almost equivalent to the FX-6300, those Thuban cores are pretty damn good too. That shouldn't really bottleneck that GPU, except for CPU-bound games like Crysis 3 and Skyrim. Overclock that thing.
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July 3, 2014 12:56:59 PM

The FX-6350 is about 24% and 23% more powerful in multi-threaded and single-threaded tasks respectively than the Phenom II X6 1090T (taken from Passmark webpage) with the same TDP, so is not that equivalent.

Crysis 3 by no way a CPU-bound game, it is actually one of the most GPU-bound games in the market.

And yes, you can OC the Phenom to compensate the lack of performance you need.
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July 3, 2014 1:48:44 PM

Brunostako said:
The FX-6350 is about 24% and 23% more powerful in multi-threaded and single-threaded tasks respectively than the Phenom II X6 1090T (taken from Passmark webpage) with the same TDP, so is not that equivalent.

Crysis 3 by no way a CPU-bound game, it is actually one of the most GPU-bound games in the market.

And yes, you can OC the Phenom to compensate the lack of performance you need.


FX6300, not 6350. The 6350 has a higher rating because it is an overclocked 6300. PassMark doesn't show real-world performance in gaming. It shows calculation and processing ability. Some games require the CPU to process more numbers than others.
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July 3, 2014 1:55:06 PM

It's true, some games are more CPU-bound, but not Crysis 3. The CPU-bound games usually favor Intel, thanks to their strong IPC.
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July 3, 2014 2:07:20 PM

That graph proves nothing.
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July 3, 2014 2:14:10 PM

the 1090t is fine for a gtx 770 but yes in poorly threaded games it will not do as good as other cpus but 90% of the time it will be fine.
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July 3, 2014 2:16:39 PM

Brunostako said:
That graph proves nothing.


That graph shows that higher end CPUs have better framerates in Crysis 3, proving that it is, indeed, quite CPU-bound.
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July 3, 2014 2:17:18 PM

what i should do ??
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July 3, 2014 2:19:43 PM

gack2009 said:
what i should do ??


The Phenom is a great option. What CPU usage is your CPU at? If it is close to 90, get a cheap cooler (don't need much for that CPU) and try overclocking. Not really cheap, but maybe a Hyper 212 or cheap Noctua cooler. An H60 would be the best option.
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July 3, 2014 2:20:22 PM

oc the 1090t to 4ghz it will do just as good as a fx 8350 wait out the next year then get a new cpu but as of right now with a 770 its fine
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July 3, 2014 2:22:42 PM

Yeah, that CPU is fine. Do you have any sort of budget for upgrading?
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July 3, 2014 2:26:08 PM

Andrew Buck said:
gack2009 said:
what i should do ??


The Phenom is a great option. What CPU usage is your CPU at? If it is close to 90, get a cheap cooler (don't need much for that CPU) and try overclocking. Not really cheap, but maybe a Hyper 212 or cheap Noctua cooler. An H60 would be the best option.


would that be enough http://www.dabs.com/products/coolermaster-seidon-120v-w...
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July 3, 2014 2:27:50 PM

Andrew Buck said:
Yeah, that CPU is fine. Do you have any sort of budget for upgrading?


i just bought my ram and mobo and GPU couple weeks ago :S
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July 3, 2014 2:28:59 PM

Should be fine i had mine at 4.0 on h70 so should work
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July 3, 2014 2:29:43 PM

gack2009 said:
Andrew Buck said:
Yeah, that CPU is fine. Do you have any sort of budget for upgrading?


i just bought my ram and mobo and GPU couple weeks ago :S


Its a very good mobo
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July 3, 2014 2:30:26 PM

coolcole01 said:
Should be fine i had mine at 4.0 on h70 so should work


man I'm so bored of upgrading my pc what ever i do i still have low fps
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July 3, 2014 2:31:56 PM

gack2009 said:
coolcole01 said:
Should be fine i had mine at 4.0 on h70 so should work


man I'm so bored of upgrading my pc what ever i do i still have low fps


I meant H60, whoops. With such a good PC, I would try to overclock.
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July 3, 2014 2:32:19 PM

what games you playing bud
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July 3, 2014 2:33:00 PM

coolcole01 said:
gack2009 said:
Andrew Buck said:
Yeah, that CPU is fine. Do you have any sort of budget for upgrading?


i just bought my ram and mobo and GPU couple weeks ago :S


Its a very good mobo


I know but amd don't have so powerful CPU like intel :S
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July 3, 2014 2:35:05 PM

while yes single core performance of the intel is better amd is still very good dont be surprised if the problem is not the cpu
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July 3, 2014 2:36:45 PM

If that is dual channel RAM, it may be the CPU.
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July 3, 2014 2:38:50 PM

What games do you have
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July 3, 2014 2:42:39 PM

Andrew Buck said:
If that is dual channel RAM, it may be the CPU.


yes it's dual
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July 3, 2014 2:43:12 PM

coolcole01 said:
What games do you have


assassin's creed black flag

watch dogs

GTA 4
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July 3, 2014 2:44:13 PM

gack2009 said:
Andrew Buck said:
If that is dual channel RAM, it may be the CPU.


yes it's dual


Alright. GTA 4 is a terrible port. AC4 is very demanding, and Watch_Dogs is even more demanding.
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July 3, 2014 2:44:46 PM

hahaha those are all games that are made for nvidia cards so we just need to see your settings
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July 3, 2014 2:45:25 PM

coolcole01 said:
hahaha those are all games that are made for nvidia cards


GTA 4 was made for console, which was an AMD GPU.
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July 3, 2014 2:53:22 PM

coolcole01 said:
hahaha those are all games that are made for nvidia cards so we just need to see your settings


all max vsync off smoke off
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July 3, 2014 2:59:28 PM

Andrew Buck said:
coolcole01 said:
hahaha those are all games that are made for nvidia cards


GTA 4 was made for console, which was an AMD GPU.


gta 4 was made for the ps3 which was the cell processor which was made by sony and toshiba i think it used an nvidia gpu
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July 3, 2014 3:02:53 PM

first off the your rig is not set up for max on black flag or watch dogs use the geforce experience and tell it to optimize your games
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July 3, 2014 3:05:02 PM

coolcole01 said:
Andrew Buck said:
coolcole01 said:
hahaha those are all games that are made for nvidia cards


GTA 4 was made for console, which was an AMD GPU.


gta 4 was made for the ps3 which was the cell processor which was made by sony and toshiba i think it used an nvidia gpu


Yes, but that is a very old architecture. The Xbox 360 had a much better GPU and was AMD, and GTA IV was made for that, too.
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July 3, 2014 3:07:51 PM

coolcole01 said:
first off the your rig is not set up for max on black flag or watch dogs use the geforce experience and tell it to optimize your games


i did
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July 3, 2014 3:32:58 PM

So the only way now to overclock?
or buy FX 8350?
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July 3, 2014 4:22:02 PM

Those are some of the most poorly optimized games. What are your fps in each with it optimized
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July 3, 2014 4:57:47 PM

Lots of good discussion here.

Are you certain you have the ram in the correct slots and running the correct OC profile to put them at the stated 1866?
Ram below 1600 seems to have a habit of drastically degrading performance on an otherwise great system.
(All DDR3 comes stock as 1333MHz, it's the set profiles from manufacturers that overclock it for you).

I think the main cause of your problems is the optimization of the games you're running. Ubisoft put about as much effort into that as I do when removing the gherkin from McDonalds burgers. Absolutely.bugger.all.

You will certainly get increased performance upgrading to an Intel build, or an AMD build (Keep in mind the FX line is a gen or two old now. Still damn good though).

With that said the 1090T really is quite good, not outstanding by today's standards but not totally bad either. Overclocking is an option, watch that power consumption and thermals though - The 1090T has quite a high TDP, even more when you up the voltage for an overclock. This, coupled with a 770 and a budget-aimed power supply may potentially limit things a bit.
All that extra power has to go somewhere too - You'll certainly need a good cooler.
I'm not sure quite how much heat it spits out, but it is a larger die-manufacturing process (45nm I seem to recall) which doesn't help. There should be plenty of guides and warnings on the net for overclocking the Phenom II series by now.

I never seem to recommend CPU upgrades because it's such a hassle and cost to buy the board, OS etc... as well. Even a super old system (say 10 years) everything else will be comparatively old, therefore an entire new build would be in order. Purely upgrading the CPU is just an effort. Imo.
Then again, some people go through this effort unnecessarily every time a new Intel line comes out. They're like Apple sheep and their iPhones.

Although, if you have the time and budget, you will see better performance, whether or not it will be quite as glorious as you expect, depends.


Bottom line then, Ubisoft suck, and I wouldn't let them force you in to spending a huge amount of money for their lazy asses. If you want to, go for it, it will work in your favour, while draining your wallet at the same time.
My advice is to have a go at some other games, see if you're getting a linear performance wall and if so, upgrade. If not, put it down to certain titles.
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July 3, 2014 7:14:25 PM

coolcole01 said:
Those are some of the most poorly optimized games. What are your fps in each with it optimized


watch dog avg 30 but it drops so much to 16 fps

assassin's creed 4 avg 45 fps

gta 4 unstable fps crazy between 20 -60 fps
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July 3, 2014 7:23:22 PM

Distello said:
Lots of good discussion here.

Are you certain you have the ram in the correct slots and running the correct OC profile to put them at the stated 1866?
Ram below 1600 seems to have a habit of drastically degrading performance on an otherwise great system.
(All DDR3 comes stock as 1333MHz, it's the set profiles from manufacturers that overclock it for you).

I think the main cause of your problems is the optimization of the games you're running. Ubisoft put about as much effort into that as I do when removing the gherkin from McDonalds burgers. Absolutely.bugger.all.

You will certainly get increased performance upgrading to an Intel build, or an AMD build (Keep in mind the FX line is a gen or two old now. Still damn good though).

With that said the 1090T really is quite good, not outstanding by today's standards but not totally bad either. Overclocking is an option, watch that power consumption and thermals though - The 1090T has quite a high TDP, even more when you up the voltage for an overclock. This, coupled with a 770 and a budget-aimed power supply may potentially limit things a bit.
All that extra power has to go somewhere too - You'll certainly need a good cooler.
I'm not sure quite how much heat it spits out, but it is a larger die-manufacturing process (45nm I seem to recall) which doesn't help. There should be plenty of guides and warnings on the net for overclocking the Phenom II series by now.

I never seem to recommend CPU upgrades because it's such a hassle and cost to buy the board, OS etc... as well. Even a super old system (say 10 years) everything else will be comparatively old, therefore an entire new build would be in order. Purely upgrading the CPU is just an effort. Imo.
Then again, some people go through this effort unnecessarily every time a new Intel line comes out. They're like Apple sheep and their iPhones.

Although, if you have the time and budget, you will see better performance, whether or not it will be quite as glorious as you expect, depends.


Bottom line then, Ubisoft suck, and I wouldn't let them force you in to spending a huge amount of money for their lazy asses. If you want to, go for it, it will work in your favour, while draining your wallet at the same time.
My advice is to have a go at some other games, see if you're getting a linear performance wall and if so, upgrade. If not, put it down to certain titles.


what i should do then just cooler for now ?
I know that my cpu good and games don't need super cpu they use gpu much more than cpu but wtf is going on why i have low fps
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July 4, 2014 3:23:30 AM

i would just oc that cpu to 3.8ghz or 4ghz and call it a day matey
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July 4, 2014 4:57:48 AM

For black flag that seems right gta is garbage runs like crap on mine too. Watch dogs what are the settings
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July 4, 2014 8:44:57 AM

coolcole01 said:
For black flag that seems right gta is garbage runs like crap on mine too. Watch dogs what are the settings


everything on ultra just the blur off and vsync off and depth of the field off
TXAA x4 on
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July 4, 2014 8:48:56 AM

gack2009 said:
coolcole01 said:
For black flag that seems right gta is garbage runs like crap on mine too. Watch dogs what are the settings


everything on ultra just the blur off and vsync off and depth of the field off
TXAA x4 on


That is a good setup, that CPU is probably alright for that setup.
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July 4, 2014 12:54:53 PM

Turn the aa to fxaa
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July 7, 2014 12:26:12 PM

coolcole01 said:
Turn the aa to fxaa


still lagging so much but i will try overclock when i get the cooler
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July 7, 2014 12:59:37 PM

gack2009 said:
coolcole01 said:
Turn the aa to fxaa


still lagging so much but i will try overclock when i get the cooler


Is someone having bottleneck issues?
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July 7, 2014 2:10:58 PM

1090t is fine, even on my good pc if I cranked up the settings on watch dogs and gta it would get low fps, I have AC4 Black Flag but never got around to playing it yet, but backlog is horrible atm lol.

Your power supply should be decent enough for an overclock, get either the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or a good liquid cooler and overclock it, bulldozer was a step down compared to Phenom II, and Piledriver pretty much got the IPC back on par with Phenom II. The reason those synthetic benchmarks probably favor the new FX 6300 or 6350 is because they can clock much higher than the old Phenom II. On FX it's very common to see 4.5ghz+ and on Phenom II it was a chore to usually get it at 4ghz, and many chips wouldn't even do that without crazy voltage.


Your CPU is an older one but still fine, I'd just overclock it as high as it can go, and lower settings in games that really don't matter like turn off MSAA or look around and see what other people had to turn down on similar setups. ALL the games you're having problems with are notoriously badly optimized, so don't feel bad at all. Even my much better CPU i5 3570k would have problems in them.

I agree with the other poster who said don't reward the company's laziness by spending more money on your part. A good liquid cooler or CM Hyper 212 EVO would breath new life into your PC, you already have an SSD which makes for a very snappy pc so then you'd be fine for years to come even on your 1090t as long as companies quit producing crappily optimized games (I'm looking at you Ubisoft....)
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July 7, 2014 3:10:17 PM

WhiteSnake91 said:
1090t is fine, even on my good pc if I cranked up the settings on watch dogs and gta it would get low fps, I have AC4 Black Flag but never got around to playing it yet, but backlog is horrible atm lol.

Your power supply should be decent enough for an overclock, get either the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or a good liquid cooler and overclock it, bulldozer was a step down compared to Phenom II, and Piledriver pretty much got the IPC back on par with Phenom II. The reason those synthetic benchmarks probably favor the new FX 6300 or 6350 is because they can clock much higher than the old Phenom II. On FX it's very common to see 4.5ghz+ and on Phenom II it was a chore to usually get it at 4ghz, and many chips wouldn't even do that without crazy voltage.


Your CPU is an older one but still fine, I'd just overclock it as high as it can go, and lower settings in games that really don't matter like turn off MSAA or look around and see what other people had to turn down on similar setups. ALL the games you're having problems with are notoriously badly optimized, so don't feel bad at all. Even my much better CPU i5 3570k would have problems in them.

I agree with the other poster who said don't reward the company's laziness by spending more money on your part. A good liquid cooler or CM Hyper 212 EVO would breath new life into your PC, you already have an SSD which makes for a very snappy pc so then you'd be fine for years to come even on your 1090t as long as companies quit producing crappily optimized games (I'm looking at you Ubisoft....)


What about CoolerMaster Seidon 120V Liquid Cooling?
And btw i5 3570k is not the best for gaming :p 
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July 7, 2014 3:49:37 PM

the 3570k is pretty awesome after the 4690 your basically just wasting money if your only gaming
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