Will Phenom II X6 1090T bottleneck gtx 770 and how to over clock
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gack2009
June 30, 2014 6:32:11 PM
well few weeks ago i got gtx 770 and i have a good system now but i can't get 40 fps in any game and i'm really pissed off i wonder if someone could help me.
Specs:
CPU: Phenom II X6 1090T
GPU: GTX 770 4gb gainward
RAM: 8GB 1866MHz
SSD: 120 GB evo
HDD: 2x260GB 1x 2TB
Mobo: asus M5A99FX pro
power supply: cx600m crosair
Specs:
CPU: Phenom II X6 1090T
GPU: GTX 770 4gb gainward
RAM: 8GB 1866MHz
SSD: 120 GB evo
HDD: 2x260GB 1x 2TB
Mobo: asus M5A99FX pro
power supply: cx600m crosair
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The FX-6350 is about 24% and 23% more powerful in multi-threaded and single-threaded tasks respectively than the Phenom II X6 1090T (taken from Passmark webpage) with the same TDP, so is not that equivalent.
Crysis 3 by no way a CPU-bound game, it is actually one of the most GPU-bound games in the market.
And yes, you can OC the Phenom to compensate the lack of performance you need.
Crysis 3 by no way a CPU-bound game, it is actually one of the most GPU-bound games in the market.
And yes, you can OC the Phenom to compensate the lack of performance you need.
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The FX-6350 is about 24% and 23% more powerful in multi-threaded and single-threaded tasks respectively than the Phenom II X6 1090T (taken from Passmark webpage) with the same TDP, so is not that equivalent.Crysis 3 by no way a CPU-bound game, it is actually one of the most GPU-bound games in the market.
And yes, you can OC the Phenom to compensate the lack of performance you need.
FX6300, not 6350. The 6350 has a higher rating because it is an overclocked 6300. PassMark doesn't show real-world performance in gaming. It shows calculation and processing ability. Some games require the CPU to process more numbers than others.
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Brunostako said:
It's true, some games are more CPU-bound, but not Crysis 3.Crysis 3 is very CPU bound. http://www.techspot.com/review/642-crysis-3-performance...
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July 3, 2014 2:17:18 PM
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gack2009
July 3, 2014 2:26:08 PM
Andrew Buck said:
gack2009 said:
what i should do ??The Phenom is a great option. What CPU usage is your CPU at? If it is close to 90, get a cheap cooler (don't need much for that CPU) and try overclocking. Not really cheap, but maybe a Hyper 212 or cheap Noctua cooler. An H60 would be the best option.
would that be enough http://www.dabs.com/products/coolermaster-seidon-120v-w...
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coolcole01 said:
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coolcole01 said:
hahaha those are all games that are made for nvidia cardsGTA 4 was made for console, which was an AMD GPU.
gta 4 was made for the ps3 which was the cell processor which was made by sony and toshiba i think it used an nvidia gpu
Yes, but that is a very old architecture. The Xbox 360 had a much better GPU and was AMD, and GTA IV was made for that, too.
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gack2009
July 3, 2014 3:07:51 PM
gack2009
July 3, 2014 3:32:58 PM
Lots of good discussion here.
Are you certain you have the ram in the correct slots and running the correct OC profile to put them at the stated 1866?
Ram below 1600 seems to have a habit of drastically degrading performance on an otherwise great system.
(All DDR3 comes stock as 1333MHz, it's the set profiles from manufacturers that overclock it for you).
I think the main cause of your problems is the optimization of the games you're running. Ubisoft put about as much effort into that as I do when removing the gherkin from McDonalds burgers. Absolutely.bugger.all.
You will certainly get increased performance upgrading to an Intel build, or an AMD build (Keep in mind the FX line is a gen or two old now. Still damn good though).
With that said the 1090T really is quite good, not outstanding by today's standards but not totally bad either. Overclocking is an option, watch that power consumption and thermals though - The 1090T has quite a high TDP, even more when you up the voltage for an overclock. This, coupled with a 770 and a budget-aimed power supply may potentially limit things a bit.
All that extra power has to go somewhere too - You'll certainly need a good cooler.
I'm not sure quite how much heat it spits out, but it is a larger die-manufacturing process (45nm I seem to recall) which doesn't help. There should be plenty of guides and warnings on the net for overclocking the Phenom II series by now.
I never seem to recommend CPU upgrades because it's such a hassle and cost to buy the board, OS etc... as well. Even a super old system (say 10 years) everything else will be comparatively old, therefore an entire new build would be in order. Purely upgrading the CPU is just an effort. Imo.
Then again, some people go through this effort unnecessarily every time a new Intel line comes out. They're like Apple sheep and their iPhones.
Although, if you have the time and budget, you will see better performance, whether or not it will be quite as glorious as you expect, depends.
Bottom line then, Ubisoft suck, and I wouldn't let them force you in to spending a huge amount of money for their lazy asses. If you want to, go for it, it will work in your favour, while draining your wallet at the same time.
My advice is to have a go at some other games, see if you're getting a linear performance wall and if so, upgrade. If not, put it down to certain titles.
Are you certain you have the ram in the correct slots and running the correct OC profile to put them at the stated 1866?
Ram below 1600 seems to have a habit of drastically degrading performance on an otherwise great system.
(All DDR3 comes stock as 1333MHz, it's the set profiles from manufacturers that overclock it for you).
I think the main cause of your problems is the optimization of the games you're running. Ubisoft put about as much effort into that as I do when removing the gherkin from McDonalds burgers. Absolutely.bugger.all.
You will certainly get increased performance upgrading to an Intel build, or an AMD build (Keep in mind the FX line is a gen or two old now. Still damn good though).
With that said the 1090T really is quite good, not outstanding by today's standards but not totally bad either. Overclocking is an option, watch that power consumption and thermals though - The 1090T has quite a high TDP, even more when you up the voltage for an overclock. This, coupled with a 770 and a budget-aimed power supply may potentially limit things a bit.
All that extra power has to go somewhere too - You'll certainly need a good cooler.
I'm not sure quite how much heat it spits out, but it is a larger die-manufacturing process (45nm I seem to recall) which doesn't help. There should be plenty of guides and warnings on the net for overclocking the Phenom II series by now.
I never seem to recommend CPU upgrades because it's such a hassle and cost to buy the board, OS etc... as well. Even a super old system (say 10 years) everything else will be comparatively old, therefore an entire new build would be in order. Purely upgrading the CPU is just an effort. Imo.
Then again, some people go through this effort unnecessarily every time a new Intel line comes out. They're like Apple sheep and their iPhones.
Although, if you have the time and budget, you will see better performance, whether or not it will be quite as glorious as you expect, depends.
Bottom line then, Ubisoft suck, and I wouldn't let them force you in to spending a huge amount of money for their lazy asses. If you want to, go for it, it will work in your favour, while draining your wallet at the same time.
My advice is to have a go at some other games, see if you're getting a linear performance wall and if so, upgrade. If not, put it down to certain titles.
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gack2009
July 3, 2014 7:14:25 PM
gack2009
July 3, 2014 7:23:22 PM
Distello said:
Lots of good discussion here. Are you certain you have the ram in the correct slots and running the correct OC profile to put them at the stated 1866?
Ram below 1600 seems to have a habit of drastically degrading performance on an otherwise great system.
(All DDR3 comes stock as 1333MHz, it's the set profiles from manufacturers that overclock it for you).
I think the main cause of your problems is the optimization of the games you're running. Ubisoft put about as much effort into that as I do when removing the gherkin from McDonalds burgers. Absolutely.bugger.all.
You will certainly get increased performance upgrading to an Intel build, or an AMD build (Keep in mind the FX line is a gen or two old now. Still damn good though).
With that said the 1090T really is quite good, not outstanding by today's standards but not totally bad either. Overclocking is an option, watch that power consumption and thermals though - The 1090T has quite a high TDP, even more when you up the voltage for an overclock. This, coupled with a 770 and a budget-aimed power supply may potentially limit things a bit.
All that extra power has to go somewhere too - You'll certainly need a good cooler.
I'm not sure quite how much heat it spits out, but it is a larger die-manufacturing process (45nm I seem to recall) which doesn't help. There should be plenty of guides and warnings on the net for overclocking the Phenom II series by now.
I never seem to recommend CPU upgrades because it's such a hassle and cost to buy the board, OS etc... as well. Even a super old system (say 10 years) everything else will be comparatively old, therefore an entire new build would be in order. Purely upgrading the CPU is just an effort. Imo.
Then again, some people go through this effort unnecessarily every time a new Intel line comes out. They're like Apple sheep and their iPhones.
Although, if you have the time and budget, you will see better performance, whether or not it will be quite as glorious as you expect, depends.
Bottom line then, Ubisoft suck, and I wouldn't let them force you in to spending a huge amount of money for their lazy asses. If you want to, go for it, it will work in your favour, while draining your wallet at the same time.
My advice is to have a go at some other games, see if you're getting a linear performance wall and if so, upgrade. If not, put it down to certain titles.
what i should do then just cooler for now ?
I know that my cpu good and games don't need super cpu they use gpu much more than cpu but wtf is going on why i have low fps
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July 7, 2014 12:26:12 PM
1090t is fine, even on my good pc if I cranked up the settings on watch dogs and gta it would get low fps, I have AC4 Black Flag but never got around to playing it yet, but backlog is horrible atm lol.
Your power supply should be decent enough for an overclock, get either the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or a good liquid cooler and overclock it, bulldozer was a step down compared to Phenom II, and Piledriver pretty much got the IPC back on par with Phenom II. The reason those synthetic benchmarks probably favor the new FX 6300 or 6350 is because they can clock much higher than the old Phenom II. On FX it's very common to see 4.5ghz+ and on Phenom II it was a chore to usually get it at 4ghz, and many chips wouldn't even do that without crazy voltage.
Your CPU is an older one but still fine, I'd just overclock it as high as it can go, and lower settings in games that really don't matter like turn off MSAA or look around and see what other people had to turn down on similar setups. ALL the games you're having problems with are notoriously badly optimized, so don't feel bad at all. Even my much better CPU i5 3570k would have problems in them.
I agree with the other poster who said don't reward the company's laziness by spending more money on your part. A good liquid cooler or CM Hyper 212 EVO would breath new life into your PC, you already have an SSD which makes for a very snappy pc so then you'd be fine for years to come even on your 1090t as long as companies quit producing crappily optimized games (I'm looking at you Ubisoft....)
Your power supply should be decent enough for an overclock, get either the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or a good liquid cooler and overclock it, bulldozer was a step down compared to Phenom II, and Piledriver pretty much got the IPC back on par with Phenom II. The reason those synthetic benchmarks probably favor the new FX 6300 or 6350 is because they can clock much higher than the old Phenom II. On FX it's very common to see 4.5ghz+ and on Phenom II it was a chore to usually get it at 4ghz, and many chips wouldn't even do that without crazy voltage.
Your CPU is an older one but still fine, I'd just overclock it as high as it can go, and lower settings in games that really don't matter like turn off MSAA or look around and see what other people had to turn down on similar setups. ALL the games you're having problems with are notoriously badly optimized, so don't feel bad at all. Even my much better CPU i5 3570k would have problems in them.
I agree with the other poster who said don't reward the company's laziness by spending more money on your part. A good liquid cooler or CM Hyper 212 EVO would breath new life into your PC, you already have an SSD which makes for a very snappy pc so then you'd be fine for years to come even on your 1090t as long as companies quit producing crappily optimized games (I'm looking at you Ubisoft....)
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gack2009
July 7, 2014 3:10:17 PM
WhiteSnake91 said:
1090t is fine, even on my good pc if I cranked up the settings on watch dogs and gta it would get low fps, I have AC4 Black Flag but never got around to playing it yet, but backlog is horrible atm lol.Your power supply should be decent enough for an overclock, get either the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO or a good liquid cooler and overclock it, bulldozer was a step down compared to Phenom II, and Piledriver pretty much got the IPC back on par with Phenom II. The reason those synthetic benchmarks probably favor the new FX 6300 or 6350 is because they can clock much higher than the old Phenom II. On FX it's very common to see 4.5ghz+ and on Phenom II it was a chore to usually get it at 4ghz, and many chips wouldn't even do that without crazy voltage.
Your CPU is an older one but still fine, I'd just overclock it as high as it can go, and lower settings in games that really don't matter like turn off MSAA or look around and see what other people had to turn down on similar setups. ALL the games you're having problems with are notoriously badly optimized, so don't feel bad at all. Even my much better CPU i5 3570k would have problems in them.
I agree with the other poster who said don't reward the company's laziness by spending more money on your part. A good liquid cooler or CM Hyper 212 EVO would breath new life into your PC, you already have an SSD which makes for a very snappy pc so then you'd be fine for years to come even on your 1090t as long as companies quit producing crappily optimized games (I'm looking at you Ubisoft....)
What about CoolerMaster Seidon 120V Liquid Cooling?
And btw i5 3570k is not the best for gaming
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