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July 1, 2014 6:05:34 PM

So I'm 1 day away from ordering my first build and I've decided to change my build one last time. I'm upgrading from a sapphire radeon r9 270x to the 280x toxic. I would like a good opinion on what psu to get. Plan on nooberclocking (i think i just invented a word) my cpu. Help me out blacky. This is my build:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8jCGnQ
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July 1, 2014 6:10:00 PM

The XFX is a good PSU and will power that build. Is there a reason you want to change it?
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July 1, 2014 6:11:30 PM

That is sufficient for this build.
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July 1, 2014 6:17:54 PM

I would just like to confirm that it will in fact be "sufficient" like Andrew said concerning the change in my gpu. Don't want to have to buy a new psu if I decide to upgrade later on down the road
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July 1, 2014 6:21:28 PM

zachthun said:
I would just like to confirm that it will in fact be "sufficient" like Andrew said concerning the change in my gpu. Don't want to have to buy a new psu if I decide to upgrade later on down the road


If you decide to upgrade to a second GPU, then a 750 Watt PSU should work well: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Will cover any upgrades. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask :) 
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July 1, 2014 6:24:16 PM

byza said:
As I suspected you won't fit that GPU in the Challenger. The Tri-X toxic is a long card 12.13" and the Challenger only takes cards up to 11.1"

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nzxt-gamma-rosewill...


My buddy has a Rosewill Challenger with a GTX 770, and the 280X is the same size.
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July 1, 2014 6:25:40 PM

Ah I see. Any good case ideas that can a accommodate this gpu?
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July 1, 2014 6:26:40 PM

zachthun said:
Ah I see. Any good case ideas that can a commodore this gpu?


Very good case - The Cooler Master HAF 912, 922, and 932, Advanced are even better. GREAT airflow and fans. The 912 houses my whole build.
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July 1, 2014 6:31:18 PM

You could also get something like an MSI 280X or the Sapphire 280X, they will fit.
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July 1, 2014 6:41:13 PM

I do like the nzxt h440. Will the gpu fit in that?
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July 1, 2014 6:43:33 PM

zachthun said:
I do like the nzxt h440. Will the gpu fit in that?


Indeed it will.
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July 1, 2014 6:48:02 PM

Ah wait it doesn't have bays for an optical drive. Nvm. Crap.
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July 1, 2014 6:48:51 PM

The Tri-X is just a particularly long cooler.

As Andrew said, the HAF's are good. My friend also uses a 912. He's pulled out the middle drive cage and now you could probably park a boat in there.

The H440 will also fit the card, just need to remove one of the HDD holders. I was looking at those earlier today, wishing they were available when i got my case.
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July 1, 2014 6:52:26 PM

Do you need an optical drive? You can always use an external drive, or you could hide an internal one down the bottom of the H440, though it'd be a pain in the ass to use. Depends if you're going to use it often or not. I've not used mine since installing my OS.
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July 1, 2014 6:53:32 PM

byza said:
The Tri-X is just a particularly long cooler.

As Andrew said, the HAF's are good. My friend also uses a 912. He's pulled out the middle drive cage and now you could probably park a boat in there.

The H440 will also fit the card, just need to remove one of the HDD holders. I was looking at those earlier today, wishing they were available when i got my case.


lol. Nice metaphor. You don't need to remove the drive cage, look at my build with 10.6 inch cards:

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July 1, 2014 6:58:00 PM

Andrew Buck said:
byza said:
The Tri-X is just a particularly long cooler.

As Andrew said, the HAF's are good. My friend also uses a 912. He's pulled out the middle drive cage and now you could probably park a boat in there.

The H440 will also fit the card, just need to remove one of the HDD holders. I was looking at those earlier today, wishing they were available when i got my case.


lol. Nice metaphor. You don't need to remove the drive cage, look at my build with 10.6 inch cards:



Yeah thats what his looks like now, but his came with another removable HDD bay in the space you've got.

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July 1, 2014 6:59:31 PM

byza said:
Andrew Buck said:
byza said:
The Tri-X is just a particularly long cooler.

As Andrew said, the HAF's are good. My friend also uses a 912. He's pulled out the middle drive cage and now you could probably park a boat in there.

The H440 will also fit the card, just need to remove one of the HDD holders. I was looking at those earlier today, wishing they were available when i got my case.


lol. Nice metaphor. You don't need to remove the drive cage, look at my build with 10.6 inch cards:



Yeah thats what his looks like now, but his came with another removable HDD bay in the space you've got.



Don't remember removing an HDD cage in mine. Even if he does, he could fit it by removing the cage.
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July 1, 2014 7:01:16 PM

I guess I don't need an optical drive. This is a gift for my wife's birthday and im stuck because I know nothing about pc's but also have too much pride in letting her in on my secret to ask her questions. I suppose she probably does get digital copies of her games and I could get an external optical if it comes down to it. So what should I get? A h440 or a haf?
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July 1, 2014 7:02:43 PM

zachthun said:
I guess I don't need an optical drive. This is a gift for my wife's birthday and im stuck because I know nothing about pc's but also have too much pride in letting her in on my secret to ask her questions. I suppose she probably does get digital copies of her games and I could get an external optical if it comes down to it. So what should I get? A h440 or a haf?


HAF for sure. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... This Optical Drive is great and fits in the top drive cage in the HAF 912. You could get the HAF 912 Advanced for a window :) 
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July 1, 2014 7:12:19 PM

Andrew Buck said:
zachthun said:
I guess I don't need an optical drive. This is a gift for my wife's birthday and im stuck because I know nothing about pc's but also have too much pride in letting her in on my secret to ask her questions. I suppose she probably does get digital copies of her games and I could get an external optical if it comes down to it. So what should I get? A h440 or a haf?


HAF for sure. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... This Optical Drive is great and fits in the top drive cage in the HAF 912. You could get the HAF 912 Advanced for a window :) 


Unfortunately i'm going to have to disagree with Andrew because I love the H440, and i've got a NZXT case myself so i'm probably biased. Really it depends which one you prefer the look of. Both are great cases that will suit your needs. The HAF is possibly a little easier to build in, but the H440 will look neater.
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July 1, 2014 7:12:47 PM

Sucks that the advanced isn't shown on pcpartpicker. Will it fit the cpu cooler I'm getting as well. And do you think I should get the 775w psu?
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July 1, 2014 7:21:04 PM

zachthun said:
Sucks that the advanced isn't shown on pcpartpicker. Will it fit the cpu cooler I'm getting as well. And do you think I should get the 775w psu?


First, tell me that doesn't look awesome: http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mid-tower/haf-922-red/
That is special edition, so can't be gotten.

As for the PSU, 775 is way overkill. Never heard of a 775w one anyways. A 650 Watt XFX or SeaSonic like these are great:

XFX: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SeaSonic: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Pick the better looking or better budget-fitting.
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July 1, 2014 7:28:33 PM

Yea I meant 750w. So ill stick with the 650. I like both cases but think I'm going with the h440 only because I know my wife likes white cases. Other than the previously discussed changes, does the build look good overall?
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July 1, 2014 7:30:07 PM

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Yea I meant 750w. So ill stick with the 650. I like both cases but think I'm going with the h440 only because I know my wife likes white cases. Other than the previously discussed changes, does the build look good overall?


Yes, very much so. That is a very nice build. You better buy it soon, because I noticed that today, the prices of the R9 280X are going up and have gone up twice today. This morning, they were $229.99, then this afternoon, they were $269.99, now $299.99.
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July 1, 2014 7:34:47 PM

The only reason you would need to upgrade the PSU later would be if you added a second 280x. For the current build the XFX is a very good PSU. If you wanted a PSU now that could handle a second GPU I would get this

Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)

It is fully modular which mean you can add or remove cables as needed, rather than non-modular which has all the cables all the time (see the bundled cables in Andrew picture). It is good for enthusiast overclocking, but serious overclockers would want to get something a bit better like the seasonic M12II series. That being said it is definitely an overkill PSU for now and if you don't think you will add another GPU I would either stick with the XFX of get a PSU of similar quality with semi- or full modular design.

See this list regarding PSU levels.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-su...
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July 1, 2014 7:38:09 PM

byza said:
The only reason you would need to upgrade the PSU later would be if you added a second 280x. For the current build the XFX is a very good PSU. If you wanted a PSU now that could handle a second GPU I would get this

Power Supply: XFX ProSeries 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)

It is fully modular which mean you can add or remove cables as needed, rather than non-modular which has all the cables all the time (see the bundled cables in Andrew picture). It is good for enthusiast overclocking, but serious overclockers would want to get something a bit better like the seasonic M12II series. That being said it is definitely an overkill PSU for now and if you don't think you will add another GPU I would either stick with the XFX of get a PSU of similar quality with semi- or full modular design.

See this list regarding PSU levels.
http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1804779/power-su...


Yeah, I hate those cords. Get the 850 W as suggested or the 650 Watt PSUs as I suggested if no upgrades will be necessary. Honestly, the 280Xs use only 250 Watts each, so 500 Watts plus maybe 100 for your CPU would still be 600 Watts, and that 650 Watt PSU will breeze through.
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July 1, 2014 7:39:18 PM

Luckily the Tri-x 280x has only increased by $50 by the looks of it, but you better buy it soon. Everything else on the build looks good.
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July 1, 2014 7:41:49 PM

But even if I overclock the cpu on this build and don't plan on adding another card the xfx 650 I'm choosing will still be good
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July 1, 2014 7:47:14 PM

zachthun said:
But even if I overclock the cpu on this build and don't plan on adding another card the xfx 650 I'm choosing will still be good


Yes, you are fine, even adding another one, that 650W PSU is fine, AS LONG AS YOU DO NOT OVERCLOCK. You can overclock with one card, but not two.
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July 1, 2014 7:50:01 PM

Yes you have plenty of room for OC, though i would get this for semi-modular cables
Power Supply: Antec High Current Gamer 620W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)


The only problem you would have with adding another card on a lower wattage PSU is the the Tri-X requires 2x 8 pin PCIe cables, and most smaller psu's have 2x 6 pin and 2x 8 pin.
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July 1, 2014 7:57:35 PM

I saw something about psu's being haswell compatible. I assume these are?
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July 1, 2014 8:02:09 PM

zachthun said:
I saw something about psu's being haswell compatible. I assume these are?


These are.
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July 1, 2014 8:16:50 PM

The Seasonic also has 4x 8 pin PCIe
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July 1, 2014 8:23:02 PM

Sweet advise guys. Do you think the r9 280x toxic is worth the $350?
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July 1, 2014 8:30:10 PM

A little overpriced. An MSI one is $299
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July 1, 2014 8:34:53 PM

This would solve my tri -x length issues I suppose.
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July 1, 2014 8:41:25 PM

It would. Either way, good luck :) 
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July 1, 2014 8:41:48 PM

The Tri-X is really for people who want to push the overclock, or people who love orange.
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July 1, 2014 8:46:24 PM

byza said:
The Tri-X is really for people who want to push the overclock, or people who love orange.


hahaha. I love orange but they are good cards though. Also OP consider getting single rail PSUS if not suggested already.
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July 1, 2014 8:55:06 PM

Dat orange doe. What's this about single rail psus?
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July 1, 2014 9:15:01 PM

Now that there wont be orange in the build and since your wife likes white, I would get this RAM to match the case
Memory: Kingston Fury White Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
or this RAM to match the mobo
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($78.99 @ Newegg)

I would probably get this GPU
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon R9 280X 3GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)

Maybe get some blue or white Bitfenix Alchemy extension cable, and that would be one sexy looking build.
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July 1, 2014 9:54:05 PM

That I can understand. Seeing as I'm an electrician by trade.
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July 1, 2014 9:56:40 PM

Lucky i didn't try to explain it myself. I probably would have made a fool of myself.
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July 1, 2014 10:11:45 PM

Yea I was thinking of those but somewhere I got the advice that low profile modules for memory would be ideal if I'm going to use the CM hyper 212 plus cpu cooler. Apparently it's good at getting in the way of ram.
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