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ClockworkTreefrog
July 1, 2014 7:03:41 PM
First I'd like to say thank you to TH and all the experts here for this resource. I can build this rig but don't feel comfortable choosing components.
Approximate Purchase Date: Immediately
Budget Range: $600US After Rebates and Shipping (Willing to go to $700 if I need a new monitor)
System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies(streaming and dvd)
Are you buying a monitor: I have this monitor. Can I use this with my new build at least temporarily?
Gateway - 17"Flat-Panel TFT-LCD Monitor
https://www.bestbuybusiness.com/bbfb/en/US/adirect/best...
Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, speakers, possibly monitor
Do you need to buy an OS: yes, I hear Win8 is better for gaming?
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: amazon prime, newegg, tigerdirect
Location: Bakersfield, California
Parts Preferences: No brand preference as long as it is reputable
Overclocking: No
SLI or Crossfire: No
Monitor Resolution: 1280x1024
Additional Comments: I need a wireless card as this rig will be set up in a separate room than the router. Would like front USB Ports if possible. GPU must be compatible with Sims 3. I also play a lot of other old games installed on storage like CIV IV, Zoo Tycoon, etc. My main concern is ability to upgrade or rebuild with the case and PSU for 4 - 5 years. I prefer performance over graphics. I have only ever played at low graphic settings so anything better will be an improvement.
And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: My dinosaur laptop is dying and I refuse to buy another prebuilt. I've wanted to start building for a while and now I have the perfect reason to start!
Approximate Purchase Date: Immediately
Budget Range: $600US After Rebates and Shipping (Willing to go to $700 if I need a new monitor)
System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies(streaming and dvd)
Are you buying a monitor: I have this monitor. Can I use this with my new build at least temporarily?
Gateway - 17"Flat-Panel TFT-LCD Monitor
https://www.bestbuybusiness.com/bbfb/en/US/adirect/best...
Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, speakers, possibly monitor
Do you need to buy an OS: yes, I hear Win8 is better for gaming?
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: amazon prime, newegg, tigerdirect
Location: Bakersfield, California
Parts Preferences: No brand preference as long as it is reputable
Overclocking: No
SLI or Crossfire: No
Monitor Resolution: 1280x1024
Additional Comments: I need a wireless card as this rig will be set up in a separate room than the router. Would like front USB Ports if possible. GPU must be compatible with Sims 3. I also play a lot of other old games installed on storage like CIV IV, Zoo Tycoon, etc. My main concern is ability to upgrade or rebuild with the case and PSU for 4 - 5 years. I prefer performance over graphics. I have only ever played at low graphic settings so anything better will be an improvement.
And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: My dinosaur laptop is dying and I refuse to buy another prebuilt. I've wanted to start building for a while and now I have the perfect reason to start!
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July 1, 2014 7:16:18 PM
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July 1, 2014 7:27:33 PM
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xTempered
July 1, 2014 7:31:17 PM
ClockworkTreefrog said:
In that case, I can go up to $700 if I can keep my monitor and upgrade it later. Would that help a little? I know my budget is tight but it is really all I can spare.Yes that changes things a bit leme do some changes I had a build planned out already but I gotta do a little rework since you said you'd be willing to push for $700
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July 1, 2014 7:46:57 PM
Here you go this is the best I could do while keeping your budget (slightly over it but if thats a problem I can go back and switch out the 8gb of RAM for 4gb of RAM since you seems like you really wont need that much since you said you mostly play older games.
Case has 2 front USB ports, GPU will be able to play things up to BF4 Ultra ~35-40fps So anything older will be a breeze. This build should handle any of the games you mentioned like butter and allows you to do up to date games in case you wanted to.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CZyjNG
EDIT: If you really have no plan for more up to date gaming then like GeoFelt said I can redo a build that involves those components and you can get away with integrated graphics for your games reducing the price but then the higher quality components that allow the ability for future upgrades will make up the cost of the lack of GPU.
Case has 2 front USB ports, GPU will be able to play things up to BF4 Ultra ~35-40fps So anything older will be a breeze. This build should handle any of the games you mentioned like butter and allows you to do up to date games in case you wanted to.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/CZyjNG
EDIT: If you really have no plan for more up to date gaming then like GeoFelt said I can redo a build that involves those components and you can get away with integrated graphics for your games reducing the price but then the higher quality components that allow the ability for future upgrades will make up the cost of the lack of GPU.
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I like your forward thinking.
1. I would start with any Z97 based motherboard.
Here is one example: $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
You can install any haswell cpu, but I recommend the new $75 G3258 unlocked Pentium.
You may not overclock, but the chip is designed for that when you need more cpu power.
With such a motherboard, you can install an upgrade as good as a $320 i7-4790K or, in the future a 14nm broadwell cpu.
The amd solutions are cheaper, but they really have no good upgrade path.
2. Buy a quality psu in the $600-650w range. You will not need it for many entry graphics cards, but it will not cost much more, and will allow you a future graphics upgrade to even a GTX780ti.
Here is a Seasonic 620w unit $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3. I might defer on the graphics card. Start with integrated graphics, Your monitor is fine.
See how you do. I have played civ4 ok on integrated graphics. You will get a better idea of how much graphics power you want. I suspect that a GTX750 would do you nicely $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
4. Spend $80 on a Samsung evo 120gb ssd for the os. It makes everything you do so much quicker. 120gb will hold the os and a handful of games. If you can manage 240gb, it will hold plenty. That is all I have, and I am only half full. You can always add a hard drive later if you need to.
5. Buy a pcie based wireless card. They are not expensive. I think they perform better than cheap usb dongles. Some z97 motherboards will have wireless included. Buy that if it is cheaper.
I use this asus unit $28
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
6. a 2 x 4gb kit of ram is right for most. That will be $70 or so. speed does not matter. 1333 or 1600 is fine.
7. A case is a personal thing. You should be able to find something that appeals to you for $50 or so.
For the M-ATX motherboard linked above, this Silverstone PS08B would do the job. Includes usb3.0 in front. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I did not add up the cost, but regardless, I would do no less.
8. Check out windows 8. It works well, but I hate the interface compared to windows 7. I tried it two previous times and uninstalled it. I am trying again using classic start which makes it ok. You will see no difference in gaming or any other metric of performance. In my case, I help with half a dozen family members and their pc. I need a real good reason to change from w7. Go to a store and play with it.
1. I would start with any Z97 based motherboard.
Here is one example: $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
You can install any haswell cpu, but I recommend the new $75 G3258 unlocked Pentium.
You may not overclock, but the chip is designed for that when you need more cpu power.
With such a motherboard, you can install an upgrade as good as a $320 i7-4790K or, in the future a 14nm broadwell cpu.
The amd solutions are cheaper, but they really have no good upgrade path.
2. Buy a quality psu in the $600-650w range. You will not need it for many entry graphics cards, but it will not cost much more, and will allow you a future graphics upgrade to even a GTX780ti.
Here is a Seasonic 620w unit $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3. I might defer on the graphics card. Start with integrated graphics, Your monitor is fine.
See how you do. I have played civ4 ok on integrated graphics. You will get a better idea of how much graphics power you want. I suspect that a GTX750 would do you nicely $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
4. Spend $80 on a Samsung evo 120gb ssd for the os. It makes everything you do so much quicker. 120gb will hold the os and a handful of games. If you can manage 240gb, it will hold plenty. That is all I have, and I am only half full. You can always add a hard drive later if you need to.
5. Buy a pcie based wireless card. They are not expensive. I think they perform better than cheap usb dongles. Some z97 motherboards will have wireless included. Buy that if it is cheaper.
I use this asus unit $28
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
6. a 2 x 4gb kit of ram is right for most. That will be $70 or so. speed does not matter. 1333 or 1600 is fine.
7. A case is a personal thing. You should be able to find something that appeals to you for $50 or so.
For the M-ATX motherboard linked above, this Silverstone PS08B would do the job. Includes usb3.0 in front. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I did not add up the cost, but regardless, I would do no less.
8. Check out windows 8. It works well, but I hate the interface compared to windows 7. I tried it two previous times and uninstalled it. I am trying again using classic start which makes it ok. You will see no difference in gaming or any other metric of performance. In my case, I help with half a dozen family members and their pc. I need a real good reason to change from w7. Go to a store and play with it.
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ClockworkTreefrog
July 1, 2014 7:57:05 PM
As a fellow person on a tight budget currently stuck using a crappy PC, I think this build would serve you very well:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD FX-4350 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI 760GM-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-G300LX 802.11b/g PCI Wi-Fi Adapter ($8.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $603.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
I believe that this build would meet all of the requirements that you have set forth unless I missed something (If so please tell me.) The R7 265 is a good card for the price and will play most modern games at at least high settings. I always prefer AMD over an intel rig for this budget range as you get more performance-per-dollar than you will with a comparably priced Intel CPU. This board will take 16GB of ram, so you can upgrade in the future, and that case has very good reviews and appears to be roomy enough for extra components. Also included a PCI WIFI card so it doesn't take up a USB port (and is generally faster).
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD FX-4350 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI 760GM-P34(FX) Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-G300LX 802.11b/g PCI Wi-Fi Adapter ($8.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $603.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
I believe that this build would meet all of the requirements that you have set forth unless I missed something (If so please tell me.) The R7 265 is a good card for the price and will play most modern games at at least high settings. I always prefer AMD over an intel rig for this budget range as you get more performance-per-dollar than you will with a comparably priced Intel CPU. This board will take 16GB of ram, so you can upgrade in the future, and that case has very good reviews and appears to be roomy enough for extra components. Also included a PCI WIFI card so it doesn't take up a USB port (and is generally faster).
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ClockworkTreefrog
July 1, 2014 8:03:36 PM
ClockworkTreefrog
July 1, 2014 8:04:54 PM
ClockworkTreefrog
July 1, 2014 8:09:14 PM
Thanks Iron124. That looks great and is within my original budget!
I don't think the Radeon R7 is supported for Sims 3 and that is a must for me. Is there something comparable that will work?
Tested for Sims 3:
http://forum.thesims3.com/jforum/jforum.page?module=sea...
I don't think the Radeon R7 is supported for Sims 3 and that is a must for me. Is there something comparable that will work?
Tested for Sims 3:
http://forum.thesims3.com/jforum/jforum.page?module=sea...
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xTempered
July 1, 2014 8:11:42 PM
ClockworkTreefrog said:
Thanks xtempered. Could you tell me what I am sacrificing with this build? Upgradadability? Ability to play upcoming games? Anything else? It looks good to me. I just need to know what to expect in the future.With the build I made you're restricted to the FX series and Athlon series but there would be no reason to get Athlon because there weaker so only going up the FX series would be of any benefit. Your limited to 2 RAM slots so you would have to get a new larger kit if you wanted more. The Graphics card is really the best you can do with this budget and will be able to handle new games on High for around another 2 yrs for you since you'll be playing on a lower resolution But maybe only for another year on High if you plan of playing higher resolutions. And you can always get another new GPU at anytime since upgrading GPU really has no limit beside having PCIe slots.
But like I said if you plan on mostly playing on older games you'll be perfectly fine and even playing newer games only on High should be satisfying since you said you play even older games on lowest settings
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($74.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($127.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($139.20 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3290A-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $697.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Will blaze through all the games you listed and will also run modern more demanding games fine around high settings.
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($74.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($127.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($139.20 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3290A-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $697.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Will blaze through all the games you listed and will also run modern more demanding games fine around high settings.
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($74.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($127.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($139.20 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3290A-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $697.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Will blaze through all the games you listed and will also run modern more demanding games fine around high settings.
No offense intended, this is a very good build and I absolutely recognize the potential, but what is so darn special about that Pentium anyway? All I get is that it's cheap, overclockable and based on the "i" series architecture. Personally I believe in more real world applications, such as running multiple programs at one time, something I and many others do every day, you'll benefit more from a Quad-Core. Dual-core seems like 2007 to me, benchmarks are great and all, and it does rival or beat comparable AMD Quad-Cores in straight power, but it gets bottlenecked due to it's limited threads...
Must be preference.
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ClockworkTreefrog
July 1, 2014 8:32:54 PM
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ClockworkTreefrog said:
Thanks xtempered. Could you tell me what I am sacrificing with this build? Upgradadability? Ability to play upcoming games? Anything else? It looks good to me. I just need to know what to expect in the future.With the build I made you're restricted to the FX series and Athlon series but there would be no reason to get Athlon because there weaker so only going up the FX series would be of any benefit. Your limited to 2 RAM slots so you would have to get a new larger kit if you wanted more. The Graphics card is really the best you can do with this budget and will be able to handle new games on High for around another 2 yrs for you since you'll be playing on a lower resolution But maybe only for another year on High if you plan of playing higher resolutions. And you can always get another new GPU at anytime since upgrading GPU really has no limit beside having PCIe slots.
But like I said if you plan on mostly playing on older games you'll be perfectly fine and even playing newer games only on High should be satisfying since you said you play even older games on lowest settings
Thank you for that information. It helps.
I do plan on playing newer games in the future. I play older games mainly because that is what I am limited to at the moment. That's why I would like some potential for upgrading. -
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July 1, 2014 8:41:31 PM
RazerZ said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($74.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($127.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($139.20 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3290A-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $697.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Will blaze through all the games you listed and will also run modern more demanding games fine around high settings.
Thanks RazerZ. I have always been an AMD fan myself but there is harm in trying something different.
Alas I can't find this Video Card in the the list for Sims 3 either. Can someone take a look at this list and find a compatible card? Thanks.
http://forum.thesims3.com/jforum/jforum.page?module=sea...
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Iron124 said:
RazerZ said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($74.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($127.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($139.20 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3290A-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $697.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Will blaze through all the games you listed and will also run modern more demanding games fine around high settings.
No offense intended, this is a very good build and I absolutely recognize the potential, but what is so darn special about that Pentium anyway? All I get is that it's cheap, overclockable and based on the "i" series architecture. Personally I believe in more real world applications, such as running multiple programs at one time, something I and many others do every day, you'll benefit more from a Quad-Core. Dual-core seems like 2007 to me, benchmarks are great and all, and it does rival or beat comparable AMD Quad-Cores in straight power, but it gets bottlenecked due to it's limited threads...
Must be preference.
It doesn't really get bottle necked because it's only a dual core. It's true the 4300 will handle multitasking better, but the G328 will still hold up very well. I chose the Pentium for the points you mentioned above, but mainly due to it's stronger single core performance which is a must for older games, and a lot of the games he plays. The stronger single core performance will also be helpful in running basic programs like Office. The dual core Pentium is much more powerful than the one's available in 2007 and are still a very viable option today. A similar debate can be made between the i3 and fx 6300.
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RazerZ said:
Iron124 said:
RazerZ said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($74.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($127.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($139.20 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3290A-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $697.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Will blaze through all the games you listed and will also run modern more demanding games fine around high settings.
No offense intended, this is a very good build and I absolutely recognize the potential, but what is so darn special about that Pentium anyway? All I get is that it's cheap, overclockable and based on the "i" series architecture. Personally I believe in more real world applications, such as running multiple programs at one time, something I and many others do every day, you'll benefit more from a Quad-Core. Dual-core seems like 2007 to me, benchmarks are great and all, and it does rival or beat comparable AMD Quad-Cores in straight power, but it gets bottlenecked due to it's limited threads...
Must be preference.
It doesn't really get bottle necked because it's only a dual core. It's true the 4300 will handle multitasking better, but the G328 will still hold up very well. I chose the Pentium for the points you mentioned above, but mainly due to it's stronger single core performance which is a must for older games, and a lot of the games he plays. The stronger single core performance will also be helpful in running basic programs like Office. The dual core Pentium is much more powerful than the one's available in 2007 and are still a very viable option today. A similar debate can be made between the i3 and fx 6300.
All very true, as I said before, I think it really comes down to a matter of preference. I tend to lean more towards AMD because I'm not overly convinced Intel isn't plotting to take over the world.
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July 1, 2014 8:51:32 PM
Iron124 said:
RazerZ said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($74.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($127.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($139.20 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3290A-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $697.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Will blaze through all the games you listed and will also run modern more demanding games fine around high settings.
No offense intended, this is a very good build and I absolutely recognize the potential, but what is so darn special about that Pentium anyway? All I get is that it's cheap, overclockable and based on the "i" series architecture. Personally I believe in more real world applications, such as running multiple programs at one time, something I and many others do every day, you'll benefit more from a Quad-Core. Dual-core seems like 2007 to me, benchmarks are great and all, and it does rival or beat comparable AMD Quad-Cores in straight power, but it gets bottlenecked due to it's limited threads...
Must be preference.
You do have a point about multitasking and dual vs. quad. that is something I should think about.
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xTempered
July 1, 2014 9:08:56 PM
Believe me even though you might not be able to find the R9 270 in the compatible GPUs it'll run the game. The list includes 18,000 compatible GPUs and most are old school intergrated graphics there is absolutely no possibility that the 270 wouldnt be able to run it.
EDIT: Put 18,000 compatible GPUs its actually 15,000 sorry went based off of memory but its not like 3k makes a difference when theres that many possible choices
EDIT: Put 18,000 compatible GPUs its actually 15,000 sorry went based off of memory but its not like 3k makes a difference when theres that many possible choices
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If you do decide to go the AMD route initially, I would make sure you have a motherboard with at least a 970 or 990FX chipset for future upgrades. Also if you can you should go with the FX 6300 for $10 more than the 4350. Same goes for having a PSU that will support your cpu/ gpu upgrade later on.
With the intel build I posted it has the potential to be upgraded to an i7 or Xeon which are excellent at multitasking and are faster than the FX 8350 ( max upgrade for the AM3+ line). Also the AM3+ socket is dead while the LGA 1150 socket and H97 and Z97 motherboards will support futures upgrades to the broadwell line when it is released.
AMD is a great choice if you're on a budget and will be the cheaper route, but Intel does have a better upgrade potential.
BTW the Pentium can handle general multitasking without a problem ( multiple tabs on chrome/internet browser, word, maybe a song playing in windows media player, other folders open).
Just my take on it.
With the intel build I posted it has the potential to be upgraded to an i7 or Xeon which are excellent at multitasking and are faster than the FX 8350 ( max upgrade for the AM3+ line). Also the AM3+ socket is dead while the LGA 1150 socket and H97 and Z97 motherboards will support futures upgrades to the broadwell line when it is released.
AMD is a great choice if you're on a budget and will be the cheaper route, but Intel does have a better upgrade potential.
BTW the Pentium can handle general multitasking without a problem ( multiple tabs on chrome/internet browser, word, maybe a song playing in windows media player, other folders open).
Just my take on it.
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July 1, 2014 9:22:41 PM
xTempered said:
Believe me even though you might not be able to find the R9 270 in the compatible GPUs it'll run the game. The list includes 18,000 compatible GPUs and most are old school intergrated graphics there is absolutely no possibility that the 270 wouldnt be able to run it.EDIT: Put 18,000 compatible GPUs its actually 15,000 sorry went based off of memory but its not like 3k makes a difference when theres that many possible choices
Thanks. I was just reading about it being pretty much a renamed upgrade to one that is supported.
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July 1, 2014 9:29:41 PM
RazerZ said:
If you do decide to go the AMD route initially, I would make sure you have a motherboard with at least a 970 or 990FX chipset for future upgrades. Also if you can you should go with the FX 6300 for $10 more than the 4350. Same goes for having a PSU that will support your cpu/ gpu upgrade later on.With the intel build I posted it has the potential to be upgraded to an i7 or Xeon which are excellent at multitasking and are faster than the FX 8350 ( max upgrade for the AM3+ line). Also the AM3+ socket is dead while the LGA 1150 socket and H97 and Z97 motherboards will support futures upgrades to the broadwell line when it is released.
AMD is a great choice if you're on a budget and will be the cheaper route, but Intel does have a better upgrade potential.
BTW the Pentium can handle general multitasking without a problem ( multiple tabs on chrome/internet browser, word, maybe a song playing in windows media player, other folders open).
Just my take on it.
Thanks, but I am actually leaning toward your Intel build. I am going to look into all of these builds a little further over the next couple of hours before making a final decision because I"m the kind of person who likes to examine every little corner, nook and cranny and I like the fact that you guys have given me choices.
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July 1, 2014 9:31:11 PM
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The 270x is a rebadged 7870Ghz edition. The 270 is a rebadged 7870.The 270x comes with two PCI cable slots so it can handle overclocks higher than the 270. Either way both are great cards and you should be able to play the Sims and the other games you listed on ultra settings with no lag.
yeah, I was just reading about that. Thanks!
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ClockworkTreefrog said:
RazerZ said:
If you do decide to go the AMD route initially, I would make sure you have a motherboard with at least a 970 or 990FX chipset for future upgrades. Also if you can you should go with the FX 6300 for $10 more than the 4350. Same goes for having a PSU that will support your cpu/ gpu upgrade later on.With the intel build I posted it has the potential to be upgraded to an i7 or Xeon which are excellent at multitasking and are faster than the FX 8350 ( max upgrade for the AM3+ line). Also the AM3+ socket is dead while the LGA 1150 socket and H97 and Z97 motherboards will support futures upgrades to the broadwell line when it is released.
AMD is a great choice if you're on a budget and will be the cheaper route, but Intel does have a better upgrade potential.
BTW the Pentium can handle general multitasking without a problem ( multiple tabs on chrome/internet browser, word, maybe a song playing in windows media player, other folders open).
Just my take on it.
Thanks, but I am actually leaning toward your Intel build. I am going to look into all of these builds a little further over the next couple of hours before making a final decision because I"m the kind of person who likes to examine every little corner, nook and cranny and I like the fact that you guys have given me choices.
No problem, take your time. The 4th of July weekend is coming up soon and you might be able to find some deals there.
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July 1, 2014 11:19:59 PM
RazerZ said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($74.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($127.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($139.20 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3290A-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $697.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Will blaze through all the games you listed and will also run modern more demanding games fine around high settings.
Gotta go with this. It just feels right. Thanks RazerZ
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ClockworkTreefrog said:
RazerZ said:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchantCPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($74.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97-Gaming 3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($127.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($73.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($52.91 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 270 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($139.20 @ Newegg)
Case: Enermax ECA3290A-G ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: XFX 650W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($18.60 @ Amazon)
Total: $697.62
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Will blaze through all the games you listed and will also run modern more demanding games fine around high settings.
Gotta go with this. It just feels right. Thanks RazerZ
No problem, enjoy your build
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