Suddenly low framerate on good gaming computer (That had great framerate).

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In order to not waste anyone's time.
I am writing on a forum which means I have done literally (Maybe not which is why I am posting but assume every default solution was tested) everything aside from disabling the entire computer and or reinstalling Windows.

This computer ran things like Titanfall and any other game just fine with near max / Ultra settings on 1080p at 60FPS. I NEVER had to mess with the resolution with this computer. Suddenly tho framerate dropped in all gaming and the only thing that seems to fix it is to treat the graphic card as a 2003 machine and put the resolution on stuff like 800x600.

So what the.
I could run everything fine.
Then I couldn't get 60FPS on L4D2
Now with a new (700w) PSU the framerate is better but still way worst (Not 60) like it USED to be in the damn first place.

I ran a full scan. It's not overheat.
It might be dust but if so you need to make a case as to why and where EXACTLY dust could have an affect on FPS like that cause it's dirty but I cleaned it a bit and had no difference.
No viruses. No extra weird programs. No changes to the computer.
 
dude seriously... edit your post and remove the potty mouthing. kids use this site regularly so keep it RATED pg

do you have an ssd?
have you checked your hdd for fragmentation?
have you checked your registry and cleaned it recently?

what apps did you use to run the scans?
have you tried enabling/disabling your game profiles in your gfx control panel?
make sure your not using supersampling in the gfx control panel in fact make sure you reset it to defaults.

 

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Take a heat measure-ment software. Get the heat checked. Check the core utilisations and mhz utilities on GPU-Z. Run a benchmark test on Mark Vantage and Mark11. Run a FurMark test. Literally burn your GPU. Then if the results are still low, try reinstalling the drivers. Rolling back to the previous drivers. Finally do tell what is your GPU so that we can give a more definite soln.
 

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Please, post your full pc specifications: models, brands, pieces, quantities, the usual yadda-yadda.

For "no changes", are you also including no overclocking or overvolting whatsoever?

Are you sure that the graphic workload isn't being offloaded to any embedded gpu you might have for whatever reason? A childish parent switching your hdmi cable from the gpu output to the motherboard output can apply as well ;)

You said the situation improved after increasing the PSU's maximum load. What did you have before that?
 

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Sure edited.
Those things I haven't checked but I could if you explained how. Didn't wanted to mess with registries (Specially since the thing was functional at some point).
I have messed with game profiles on Experience and it defaults to Ultra settings and doesn't seem to do anything.
AA is set to Off by default on Control Panel (Not SuperSampling).
 

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Those are the things I mean I already tried.
Heat check was fine.
Benchmark was terrible scores.
Reinstalling drivers did nothing. Updating neither.
Rolling back to other drivers and stuff also nothing (Couldn't time travel the computer unfortunately).
 

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Intel i7-3770 3.40GHz (8CPUs).
8GB.
DirectX 11.
GTX 660 Ti.
I had a 550w (or 500w even) PSU before this current 700w 1. Which also ran fine.

Also quick note. Now that you say it I do have two slots on the GPU for the Video Cable. Tho neither seem to have an affect on the framerate. Tho now I am trying to figure out why are there two and why both work o-o.
So yes not the NASA Gaming Computer I'm sure some of you have but like I said. It ran everything just fine.
I have not tried overclock and overnuts and overovers yet cause I didn't wanted to break things (And cause it worked without it for months).
And I live alone. Unless a ghost hit the "Terrible Computer" switch hidden at the back of the case.
 

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Rip the PC apart, remove the GPU, take a compressed air can (or any non-contact cleaner) and try to beat the dust out of your PC. Though this is the first time I have heard dust affecting frameratess. Check your cables, do a voltage test on the rail that you use for the GPU. I once faced the same problem and I found that my 3.3V rail was bogged to 2.8V. The cable became loose. Fixing that fixed the problem
 

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The cables are fine. I don't know if I can do a voltage test but I could just buy a new rail see if that works.
I don't want to rip the computer apart :(. I do have a compressed air can and used it but so far nothing.
 

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Well, a 700w is overkill for a 660, but whatever. Even so, if before you had anything over 500w rated 80+ bronze, any damage caused by not having enough power can be ruled out.

I'd give a look at how much power/voltage the gpu receives. Might be the power connectors are faulty on gpu end and aren't receiving power as they should. Unfortunately, the best way to be sure of these things is to actually take apart the pc an do a full thorough "visual check and clean", I'm afraid...

BTW, more ports simply mean the gpu can support more monitors and more transmission standards, it's only normal they all work :)
 

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Oh okey. And you know I think Imon has a point. it might be the Rail Outlet thing not providing proper power to the computer? :O.
 

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I think imon suggested the same thing I did, only with more accurate words. By rail he means the colored cable going from your PSU to your gpu, and if by changing PSU things only barely improved, then the issue may most definitely be on the gpu end.
 

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Oh. Would the outlet that powers the whole thing (The long extension thing for the Monitor and PSU power cables that connects to the wall outlet) have any to do with it.
 

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I mean I would try to buy a new Surge Protector. Or something. But for now how easy and fast you would say removing and reinstalling the GPU would be? To try to clean it.
 

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The voltages can be checked from the bios of your motherboard. Else you can use a high resistance voltmeter. Removing and reinstalling the safe way takes about 1/2 an hour. The normal way is 5 mins perhaps?

The formal way is to uninstall drivers. Open case. Remove GPU. Install new GPU. Close case. Boot. Install latest drivers for the new GPU. But since you'd be putting in the same GPU, it'd be fine not to go into that install, uninstall thingy. That would save a hell lot of time
 

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A fast cleanup would take 10-15 minutes. Just unplug everything, watch for static discharges (touching the side panel of your case and being on a non-static-producing surface is enough, avoid direct contact with the lower part of the board), clean and replug.

A full thorough clean incudes taking off covers, backpanels, heatsink/heatpipes and fans, as well as reapplying thermal compound, all of this where possible, so that can take more...

@imon
Doesn't the bios show just the MoBo and cpu related voltages? And anyway, a voltmeter is more reliable :p
 

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I performed a clean install of the entire hard drive. Reinstalled Steam. Downloaded JC2 and Payday 2. JC2 seemed to be better but wanted to test with Payday 2 to be sure. Payday 2 runs fine on 1080p 60FPS how ever it dropped frames leaving the game open for only a few minutes. I closed the game waited a bit and opened again and still bad framerate. I downloaded Precision X and turned the fan up to 80%. One thing I notice in Precision is that GPU CLOCK is at 324mhz which seems lower than before the clean install.

So a clean install did improved framerate back to how it should be but with little playtime it was weird again for a while. What gives? What causes a framerate to drop on a computer that clearly can have good framerate.

Payday 2 + ShadowPlay + 1080p = 60FPS.
3 minutes later.
Payday 2 + ShadowPlay + 1080p = 15FPS.
Payday 2 + 1080p = 25FPS.
WHY. What kind of limited-magic-memory exists that RAN OUT? Cause that's what it seems. I restarted and waited and it just seems to get worst (IT WAS FINE LIKE 6 MINUTES AGO x-x). Is the computer not getting enough power or something?.

Also yeah. The "Windows Experience Index" located on "System and Security" "System" tab of "Control Panel" started as it should be. With a "5.9" total rating. Rating the Graphics and everything else at "7.7". As the framerate dropped I can see "Your Windows Experience Index needs to be refreshed" so it even detects that it's shittier. It says "New Hardware Detected". Huh? o-o.
And JC2 is also shittier so the entire computer "ran out of power" after "having power". What the s.
 

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Sorry for the late answer, I'm currently forced to browse the forums where Internet connection isn't always available.

After all that, I can only think about thermal throttling, really. It runs fine at the beginning, but a couple minutes under heavy load and it starts running bad.

First of all, disable shadowplay. As you've noticed, it just adds load, so unless you're using it to mirror the game over some other device, it's useless.
I know you checked them, but please, report your gpu temps taken with Gpu-z. Be sure it has cooled off properly by leaving it off for an hour or so, then turn on your pc and get the first temps of gpu and VRMs. These will be our idle. Keep it running, fire up PD2 or JC2 and play normally. As soon as you notice things are getting sluggish and slowly become unplayable, alt-tab back to gpu-z and get the temps again. Report both of them here.
 

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The reason I test with ShadowPlay is cause I was able to let it run at all times before the computer decided to drop frames for no reason.
And I would try to leave the computer off then check the default temp tho the usual temp at all times game running or not is 34C on GPU-Z (GPU TEMP right?).
Also there is no "play normally". Game starts at 15FPS.

If I System Restore I manage to get 60FPS for some amount of time. But once it drops. It doesn't go back up. (This isn't 100% accurate. It occured like twice out of the three times I system restored. Considering doing it again but I also do have to use the damn computer).
 

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Hmm...I'm still missing something. If it's not thermal throttling, then some cap is being set somewhere or the card simply isn't receiving power for some reason, although I highly doubt it.

As a side note, you're not being consistent...
In your last post here you say there's no playing normally, as the game starts directly with issues. However, in the other thread you opened and in one of your latest posts here, you hint at the issue appearing after some time playing. Moreover, on your last post here, you say you manage to get 60 fps for a while after doing a system restore, which pretty much opens up a whole world of possibilities related to drivers.

Either way, a little recap on whatever I can think of right now with all the information known:
- Thermal throttling either caused by faulty or not sufficient cooling or dust build-up on the video card. The solution is trying to clean up every part of your PC by ripping it apart and, piece by piece, remove dust through a can of compressed air or a non-static brush, then reassemble everything.
- A trace of old installed drivers conflicting with new ones. The solution is a complete driver cleanup and reinstall. Google for Display Driver Uninstaller and follow the given instructions. Then proceed to reinstall the latest drivers.
- A performance cap being set somewhere. The solution is checking for any settings configured in softwares like MSI Afterburner, in your gpu's control panel or even under the energy saving settings (even if they're set for high performance)
- A faulty or wrong PCI-E channel. The solution is, if possible, trying any other PCI-E slot on your mobo, or change mobo entirely.

I really can't think of anything else...
 

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I'm not being inconsistent.
I had 60FPS for a while. It then dropped to 15FPS.
What you requested (To play till it drops) can't be done since the game HAS dropped to 15 already. There is no CLIMBING from that. The game doesn't start at 60FPS once it drops. Unless I System Restore (Maybe. 2 out of 3 times so far).

If it's a settings issue where exactly would it be in which software. Like what part of Nvidia's CP.
Maybe the computer in installing drivers that I don't know of or something. What software could I use to uninstall every driver possible. And which drivers I would need to reinstall (just to make sure). GPU NVIDIA + Audio + Ethernet and that stuff.
 

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...I'm honestly sorry and don't mean to be rude in any way you may think, but I hate spoonfeeding when it comes to these things. You won't learn anything on your own if you ask for the options you should directly change.

NEVERTHELESS...
Unfortunately, the last time I had an Nvidia GPU was about 10-12 years ago, so I can't help you with pointing directly at a particular option. It shouldn't be too hard looking for it anyway. The AMD control panel has a GPU status window where you can override max gpu clock, max power, max memory clock and fan speed. Look for something similar in the Nvidia control panel. Programs like MSI Afterburner, should you use any of those, have sliders literally all over the place. If there's any button saying "Default" in these windows, press it, as going too high can actually worsen the issue.

You don't need to uninstall any driver possible, as the only ones conflicting, at least IMO and in this case, can be new gpu drivers with traces of old ones. I already told you what to use in my earlier post. Should you want to do a thorough cleanup of drivers, you can use Driver Sweeper, but watch out which ones you uninstall, as you may be forced to boot into safe mode to install the new ones.

If I were you I'd also manually check for Windows' energy saving settings. They're under the control panel of your pc. Look for them and enable the high performance settings, if they aren't set already. If they are set, check into the advanced settings for anything CPU or GPU related, and make sure they're all set for the highest performance value. If you hover the mouse a bit over any option, a little description will pop out telling you what it'll do.
 

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I ask cause I already checked all those things. So in order to check again I would want to know what exactly could affect performance (Since nothing did).

Oh I see. I couldn't check before cause mid alt tab everything goes back to normal.
But the GPU Usage and FB Usage are spiked at 100% while the game is running (And while PLAYING the game. So not just LEAVING THE GAME RUNNING. But having the game up on the screen spikes it to 100%.
 

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Spiking to 100 can be considered normal as well as dropping down. What's not to consider normal is that rate staying at 0~30% under load, unless you're running a very old game. [strike]Just try doing all the aforementioned things again, it never hurts to check again.[/strike]

I also forgot to mention...is there any particular reason on why you keep shadowplay on? Are you mirroring/streaming the game somewhere else? If it's unneeded, disable it. You too stated you had an increase in performance when it was disabled. It also helps by stressing the gpu less and keeping a more clean environment for troubleshooting.

Edit: if it keeps at 100% then it's correctly under load, but even so, nothing actually pushes a video card up to 100% unless it's a benchmark, it has vsync off on a monitor not higher than 60hz in refresh rate, it is a badly configured/optimized app or it's out of the league of the gpu. So, either one of these applies or something else is loading it...
 
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